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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 21 · 1 year ago

3-21. Player's Cup the Third

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are here and geared up for Player's Cup III, a Vivid Voltage standard qualifier even. Check out the latest tips and tricks for surviving and the top decks in the meta!

Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premiere podcasting.Duou. My name is Riley Hulbert. Joined, as always, buy mygood, good, good friend dw cree wall. Mr Creewall, how youdoing today? I got three goods today. That's nice. Yeah, well,operate definitely lifted my spirits, for I have been getting blasted by myhomework. You know, I'm doing this coding thing and I was just tellingyou before the cast just like looking at a computer screen for doing work fortwelve hours and then I did a little bit of tutoring for another hour andyeah, I'm fried. My brain is Frid. I'm like working through theseproblems sets at like a snails pace. It's it's absurd. It's absurd howslowly some of these some of these problems are going, but it's just aboutunderstanding the material. I feel like I clicked somewhere around seven where I waslike, oh, that's what they meant. So hopefully I can, hopefully Ican parlay that into, you know, a little bit more success over thenext few days. But it's been tough and that's why I haven't beenputting on a lot of you know, content on no youtube videos this week. So it's been, you know, it's been taking up all of mybrain power. So do you feel like you're you know, you're taking itin, that you're you're learning? Well, I definitely do. It's just it'scoming slower to me than my peers. So I have to like keep remindingmy well, I think there are some of these. Some of thepeople in my class are have like taken coding before or have at least,you know, been been involved in the world for, you know, anextended period of time, a few years, maybe not on a professional level,but at least on like a hobbyist level. Yeah, so, yeah, I just had to keep reminding myself like okay, you know, there'sprobably going to be something that I can conceptualize maybe a little bit better thanthey can in the future. Or if that's not the case, like yeah, I'm doing the best that I can and I am seeing progress. Soyeah, absolutely, you know, it should, it should come eventually.So how have you been, Riley? I've been well, it's been anotherbusy week of work here on my end as well, but you know,I kind of hit my stride lately. So I'm feeling pretty good. Alsoin the depths of a book right now. So I'm trying this year to reada book every month. It is one of my resolutions. So Istarted it last weekend. I'm almost done. What's the fuck? It's called theway of kings. It's by Brandon Sanderson. My wife enjoys that series. Yeah, so it's super good. My friend recommended it to me,the thousand page home. I started it last weekend and I'm seven hundred pagesin now at this point. Right, so almost they're I'm probably gonna bedone this weekend. Okay, okay, I'm excited that you said that.She would be very happy. Yeah, I read the miss born series lastyear. That was really good. Author is really good at creating these likefantasy sci fi worlds. So sure, I really enjoyed it. Yeah,it's cool. But speaking of fantasy worlds, we have our own that we liketo enjoy, and this the world of Pokemon. For the uninformed,the Players Cup is just on the horizon. The qualification period for players, Cupthree in case, is what later this week, right? Yeah,I'm pretty sure it starts on Friday, right at the twenty four, Ithought, but maybe now. Well, the twenty four, isn't it?Make sure that I'll do the research, research. Okay, yeah, thetwenty one is like the Sunday, which is the start of a week.But regardless. The key, though, is the qualification period is going tolast for a month here, and the way that you qualify is that youuse tournament keys and Special TCG Oh events. So you have fifty tournament keys towork with and depending on your placement in a best of best of oneeight man Pod, you'll get certain amount of points. So you will getten points for a fur just eight points. Or Am I messing that up?Is it five? It's five, it's five, three, yeah,five for a first, three for a second and one for a top fourand then zero if you just lose. So I mean that's what it andjust just to clarify, it is January twenty six. Okay, so aboutthat on a Pacific. So yeah, little, little, less than aweek. And so yeah, we're just we're just getting ready. We're hereto help you guys out, try to make some deck decisions and just getyou in the right mindset for the Players...

Cup. Absolutely, absolutely so.Jw and I were talking for the cast, we compiled a list of six ofwhat we considered to be the top decks in the metagame right now.Hopefully there aren't too many surprises in terms of the decks themselves. You wantedto outline at just some of our thoughts on each of these decks individually,some pros of playing the deck, some cons, maybe a playing the deck, thoughts about builds, and this list is mostly ordered. I think youcan pretty easily argue for like some of the individual placements, but generally,as we go down, we consider it to be a better deck than theones preceding it. So we'll start with number six here, and that's goingto be blossle vmax bloss so everyone was excited for this card. Really madeways in Japan, utilizing the cargo which unfortunately it's rotated here in the states, but still a pretty effective deck at acceleries to itself, which is obviouslya boone of very energy denial heavy metagame, and it hits for that fighting typeweakness, which is ever useful, especially when you consider some decks thatwe have later on in our list here today. Though. Jw Run usthrough some of your preliminary thoughts on colossal. Colossal kind of slots in it thatfighting, just fighting type deck. You know, colossal and x couldrillare probably the two that best exemplify that in this format. But colossal justhaving that mass of HP, the tank ability and then being able to reallyeffectively run things like crushing hammer to try to give a little bit and MaloLaana for that matter, to try to give the deck a little bit morelongevity as well. I think it's well poised right now. You look atthe the good matchups, you know, being things like peak ram, thingslike a turn it is, although it can't get you know, you canobviously lose those matchups, but certainly in your favor. But I think it'swell poised considering the field. Yeah, so let's run through then, thepros of playing colossal. If you were playing what is a motivating factor thanto playing colossal? I think the most obvious one, off rip, isthat it hits peak Roman. It turn it is for weakness, especially gettingthat Clean Oko on p Ram is really valuable. What's another reason you mightpick up colossal as opposed to one of these other decks? Reason you,Mike, pick up colossal? I think it's just the weakness factor. Iunless you're thinking about something else that I can't quite put my finger on,it's the weakness factor there. For me that's going to be the main reason. If you keep queuing up into the peak roms and the eternity so whatyou probably will. You know, Colosso's op obviously a deck that you shouldconsider for players cume three. And then the problem, I think, withcolossal is that, you know, you do hit things like peak rom forweakness, but the problem there is just that you know, now a lotof these peaker on decks that have been performing well are running me two,which gives them and out to you know, surviving those those what otherwise would beone shots. Yeah, and we have seen some colossal builds show upwith like double mimic you in some cases to try and mitigate that. Right, so, right, and, to be honest, thing I think that'sa pretty effective solution to the youtube problem. You're able to get those rolling.Yeah. So, yeah, I agree with you. I think colossalhas pretty solid matchups against peak rom and eternitist which, if you boiler alert, if you haven't listened to the cast before, Peak Rome atturns are goingto be the one and two spots in this list. So that's a reallyvaluable trait and of itself. I think colossal struggles most against the lower deckson this list. To be honest. I think some of its worst matchupsin the metagame are these like lower decks on the list here. You know, the cargo memtal is a great example of a deck that colossal really reallystruggles against and doesn't really they haven't out to. You know, sendy scorcheshistorically been a tough matchup for a colossal because the constant damage ramping with similarlevels of tankiness, though you know, there's definitely some downsize to playing colossalthere. But it is a solid pick, especially you know it's pretty easy torun into some of these tournaments and you know there's like three peak ROMsthere. You know, you play around on under two, three, youplay all pe Kromm same thing for like a turn. It is. I'vehad that happened all the time and Players Cup too, and I feel likethose decks were less popular and Players Cup to than they are now. Sosure you know that really can't be understated how good that weakness factor is andI think coloss also is pretty decent, especially if you run like healing buildsagainst random niche decks that maybe try to like to hit Ko you and stufflike that. Class for really can prey on those. Yeah, absolutely,what agree. Let's jump down to our next deck on the list, then, and favorite a deck that JW and I have been less fond of.That's going to be Sennay scorch. The fire scent of heed thould w runsthrough some of the the high level thoughts and Senna scorch. Yeah, saida scorch. Let's see a reason why...

...you would want to play send ascorch is I think you you value having really a shot at beating anything.Like you don't you don't have too many auto losses that I would say inthe format. You know, save for the random water deck here and there, but you're generally gonna give yourself a chance to win just about anything.And I will give it to send to scorch. You do have a prettyfavorable ATP matchup, just from my testing, what I've seen from tournaments, whatI've seen other players talk about. It's it's a generally favorable matchup,and so with that, you know also, if you're expecting a lot of optionATP, which, I must say, was one of the decks. LikeI saw this pole. I think I was on on on verbank orsomething, but somebody posted a poll and it was like, okay, whatdeck are you just going to grind the players go through with? And thefavorite was ATP. So if you're thinking that there's going to be a lotof ATP and you want to make sure that you take a positive match offor against that deck, then I think send a scorch the way to go. Yeah, and I think some other aspects of any scorch I think areworth calling out. Is the deck snowballs really hard. It's kind of likea be where if it's get to lead, it pretty much strangles you out ofthe game. Obviously accelerating to itself is a huge factor into that,and continue you do more damage every turn. Yeah, you're generally like pretty prettyeven to favorite against a lot of decks. You definitely do have someissues. Decision wagons can be problematic and most most specifically a turn it iscould be a pretty tough matchup. P Kram I've never felt as being superfavorable, but I think a good send a scorch player can play their wayaround p Kurram situations. And Yeah, I just look at the only reallyneg truly like unfavorable matchup for a turn. It is, excuse me, USP sent scorches being at turn. It is. Yeah, when Ithink of Senday Scorch, I don't think of it having like to overwhelming thesides like strowing loose metal, having to overwhelming matchups in either direction, butI see it having chances to completely destroy individual games or completely get destroyed individualgames at the same time. Let's go to Connotary scorch. When senday scorchis cold because it's the welder deck, it runs really cold and that's justthat's been a consistent flaw of welter decks because the nature of welder where it'sexcel at it's your energy, Excel and or draw. So if you missit, then you lose like your whole deck. So you can. Yeah, you, so you can win any matchup. You know, you justyou take those even matchups are or just generally even matchup spreads. But,like you said, it's going to be a deck where it's kind of liveand die by the welder which I generally tend to stay away from. Yeah, and to be fair, I think this is a fair point. Isee people making it on social media about how Sendy Scorch, you know,isn't completely run hot, like it's not. It's not like welders are from sure, from over a year ago, when you would just hit water everysingle turne. You need to do that to keep up with your energy excel, you know. Sending Scorch, you know, it can afford to withhere and there, you know, by virtue of its attack and by virtueof just like not necessarily needing to Oh, oh coo every single time. Likesometimes you are going to a KO regardless. So it doesn't really matter, right, and it does, and I do think that's a valid point. But I still think regardless, like water, decks are going to havethat kind of run hotter cold nature to them, just how the card works. Yeah, definitely. So that's like kind of a row ANACON. Iguess the sent of Scorch is it has that even matchup spread, but itcomes at at the cost of having like these blog games and these really disappointinggames. Yeah, definitely, and that, I mean that might factor in.You know, I don't want to be too speculative about it, butyeah, you know, I can just imagine like going in with send ascorch and then I have, you know, a great game and then I followit up with like a horrible game that I know I should have won, but I missed, you know, I missed a welder or I missedyou know, that crucial that crucial card that sometimes I feel like sent toscorch does more frequently than other decks and I just yeah, I don't knowthe mindset that I would be in after after that, I don't know.Yeah, I mean the mental is a mentals valid factor for sure. Right. I also want to talk send of scorches. Have a lot of differentvariation in how the deck has been built over the last you know, sixmonths. Here, sure, sure, and now we definitely seem kind ofa straight send us scorch build, and now Pedro popularizing the sent of Scorchwas so valley. So yeah, I'll turn that question to you, Riley. What do you think? If you were to play send U Scorch,what would you go with? The the straightforward version, or would you addin a sobelly line? Yeah, I'm kind of on the fence about it. I think this a valley line just adds so much plunk to the deck, like there's just so much going on at that point. But I can'tdeny like the extra consistency that's the value provides. And a deck like SenaScorch is good once you get it.

It's it's maybe some clunk in theearly game and maybe some consistency towards the lake right, and so I guessit depends what you're trying to do with your Sendai Scorch deck. When Ithink of Sendai scorch versus ATP, for example, you're not super worried aboutbeing disrupted. You just want to get going as fast as possible. Soif you're just spitting a lot of ATP, like Maybe Sa Valley isn't the techfor you. But at the same time, like against Peak Urm,their main strategy against Senna scorches to stamp them too low, and so Valicompletely nullifies that, obviously, unless they're able to gust it up and Koat the same term. But then you're senday scorches not been hit. Soit's also served as purpose. So I think against peak rom it's a muchbetter option than against like ATP so it really comes down to if you're tryingto get out as fast as possible, out of the gates, or ifyou're trying to play the long game. Sure, absolutely, and honestly,I don't think I can make that choice for everyone. You know, itands and I feel like the Meta on these like tournaments kind of depends onthe individual days even like there's some days for just like some decks a reallypopular in some days other decks are popular. Yeah, and that's that's a lotof the problem. Well, I wouldn't say the problem, but itmakes it hard to predict, especially in these eight man tournaments where you have, you know, somewhere between ten and fifteen honestly, like truly viable decksthat could, you know, win in any given eight man a little bitof luck. So it's just, you know, it does come down toa lot of personal preference, like you're saying, but trying to make thoseinformed decisions, trying to maximize, like how how your deck would perform in, you know, a tournament setting and just taking like the slivers of youknow, on the margins, trying to win on the margins. So ifyou're saying. Okay, well, generally speaking, if I think that I'mgoing to play some metagame that involves a lot of peak rom and you know, my my deck gives me a, you know, five or ten percentchance better. You know, my build gives me a five or ten percentbetter chance against peak ram like. Maybe I should choose that, even though, you know, maybe you get smoked by everything that's not peak rum overand over. It's tough, right again, because these tournaments are just so localized. That's said, I think I would. I think I would startoff with this valley build and if it, like, was really starting to disappointme, I would switch just to mix it up. But I likeI like the theory of having the option of it. I'm sorry, atleast want to give it a fair shake. Sure about us? Or you havea strong feelings one way the other? Yeah, no, not, nottoo much. I mean send a scorch is not a deck that Iwould even consider picking up, and that's not like a knock on anyone thatdoes play it, because it has, it seems to have these generally likefavorable win percentages and all the tournaments that I look at. But it's stillagain, just not quite the deck for me and I know that there aresome strong, strong, ardent supporters of Sena Scores A. Sure, howI have the same you, guys, is going confident? You do you. Let's move on to our number for deck and that's lacario Mel Metal.So this deck has kind of fallen off and then come back and you know, and it seems some some pretty good success recently in terms of just thenumber of people that play it. And so what are your thoughts on LucarioMel Metal? We talked about Lucario Mel metal a lot for Players Cup toI think generally. Are Our thoughts on how good it has become a orhow it's position in the MIDTA game of have generally shifted towards maybe not inas as good of a position? Again, with the rise of sent of Scorch, that's just almost an unwinnable matchup, especially if they play Guarantina. Sokind of talk me through Zosh and Luke metal and what has changed fromPlayers Cup to to now. Yeah, obviously Senda scorch is going to bethe biggest inhibitory factor for Luke metal and in lucarime metal takes a really closeATP matchup, a pretty close peaker on matchup and then just destroys a turnthis thin colossal nine at ten times colossal especially it turn this if their poisonbuild can put up a fight, but usually that fight will end in LukeMetal Saber. Not Always, but usually so when I think of Blue Melo, the biggest pro for me is it Hash just overwhelmingly good matchups. whereit has good matchups, you know, you can play into like a bigZagoon base to turn his deck or a colossal deck and even like in somecases, like against poor peaker on players, I get into the ground decks andyou just feel so good. It's just you just coast and yeah,honestly, and kind of a game of endurance, like the Players Cup,where you're going through all these tournaments. That's pretty valuable, you know,being able to kee up, hit the attorney this that doesn't play poison andjust win by laying down that Zama Senta. That's re tea nice. You know, it's nice to get the breather, it's nice to, you know,just get the Nice Dub. You...

...know you guarantee points on the board. So that's, I think, a really positive element. To it.It also just generally it leads into the disruptive like slow and steady play stylereally well. It's one of the best users of Zashian's intrappid sortability in thegame and it's still has a fighting chance against CENI scorch if it doesn't playthe GUARANTINA. It's not great, but you still have a chance, whichis something you couldn't really say before. So that's nice. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I think you make a good point therewhen you say that. You know, Zamba sent is as close to anAutowin card just by itself as I think we have in this format. Andso, like you said, being able to play into that. It turn. It is build. That is just a straight to turn. It isbuild and yeah, you get that Zombis and Ted, maybe you get agx attack and maybe you get the the tool down. Yeah, it isnot going down right. It's very hard for that at turn its player towin that match. So yeah, definitely something to consider when you think abouthow popular and how well it turn it just has been doing recently. Yeah, honestly, the problems the so going to the cons I have with Lukemetal. Obviously this kind starts. Matchup is rough. We don't need toharp on that. The games that aren't auto wins tend to be very grindy. So it's almost like you get, I don't want to say an equivalentexchange, but you do get your payoff for having these auto wins where youhave these games that last a long time and kind of wear on you.You know you'll have pretty long play sessions when you go into tournaments with Lukemetal compared to like it, turn it is or Peek Ram, where you'regoing to be blazing through ATP as well. And the ATP matchup is kind ofI can really go either way, but it's pretty close and it's kindof an uncomfortable close matchup because it ATP plays enough out still like your tools, then it gets pretty bad pretty fast. So I hate having like a supertight ATP matchup, especially like if ATP is going to be one ofthe more popular decks. Yeah, especially when you're also having like these relativelyGrindi Games. Are Other mashups that are taking a while. Sure, sure, yeah, it's definitely one for the endurance players. Certainly a deck thatI could never recommend to somebody that you know, hasn't kept up in theirpractice. You know, I think there are some decks that letting themselves tomaybe a more novice player or maybe a less kind of a player that doesn'thave a lot of time on their hands right and they still want to gettheir keys used up, and so I wouldn't for that player that just haslimited time or as maybe somebody that doesn't play pokemon too often, couldn't reallyrecommend Luke metal. Now that's fair point as well. Do you have anyother thoughts on Lukment? I kind of rambled for a bit there. Ithink it's a great deck. I think there are a few things that youcould consider. One of the biggest is just do you play crushing hammer ornot? I don't think the deck needs it, but I don't think thedeck, you know, hates having it. It's obviously trying to go for thiskind of energy denial strategy with, you know, a little bit ofthe Zambas enter right. You can you can again special energy remove some ofthat with some but then the Locario, memtal gx tax so hammers, Ithink slot in very nicely, although I don't necessarily think you need it,and I actually think one of the biggest one of the biggest downfalls of Lucariomomental is just that consistency. They are a can be right, because you'renot playing to denn A, generally speaking. You're not playing Crowbat, generally speaking, because you want to keep your pokemon's HP just as high as possibleforce your opponent to just do as much damage, you know, just totry to Finagle your way to a win. And so since you're not playing thoseother cards, those consistency cards, you know, you really have torely on the intrepid sword. And so yeah, just dead adding in thingslike crushing camera. I think I would generally tend to try to add inmore consistency as opposed to the crushing hammers. Me Too. So awesome. Solet's jump down to our next sash and based deck, and that's goingto be ATP's Ashen, the monster of the metagame. What what hasn't beensaid about APS Ashen? GW? Do you want to run us through someof the pros of playing ATP? Well, you're going to know pretty quickly whetheror not you win. So if I'm playing ATP for the Player's Cup, I'm trying to maximize turn one potential. You know you're not playing for theL game. You know, don't bother with reset stamps, I wouldalmost argue maybe not even bother that much with Marny. Just kind of gearthe deck towards the turn one. You know, I would look into kindof earlier in the format builds of ATP...

...where they were just kind of forenergy switch, you know, three waters, maybe even Vadian forest, just tomaximize the chances of getting the energy in the hand turn one and reallyjust go hard. Yeah, that would be my recommend recommendation for that deck. ATP's probably the best that just to slam through your tickets with or yourkeys with, because you pretty much know how the game's going to go reallyfast and even like the grind EST game in Atpi have will be like sixbarns. So I've been thinking about playing ATP with with like a second mawhile and surprise box. I don't know if you've seen that. So surprisedbox? No, yeah, explain. Yeah, so it allows you toput a Pokemon card from your opponent's discard pile into their hand. So thatcan be anything. Could be an item. You know, it's most likely you'veseen it used with the Gangar Mimic Gx, but it could put,you know, a Dedenn a back from your opponent's discard into their hand.I just thought that would be hilarious if you didn't even have to use optionright, so you could just like Gust Dedann a. You know, maybeyou play a surprise box to to Ma while and then you could just playa more like ATP focused, ATP build right, so you wouldn't even hadthe accelerate to option. So you could just gusted up the Dednn a twice, the same one and for you probably make your pun it really mad,because you know they played so well right where they put the they put theDedenne in the discard pile and you know there's no way you could. Youcould win now because they have their vmax active and it's healthy. And thenyou just go surprise box mall while, the second mob while and the bodyand with a ghost. I don't know about that, but that sounds prettyfunny. The good youtuber. Nothing else that's right. Well, you knowme, always thinking about my next video. Yeah, I mean that is thestrength of ATP though, right, is pratying on this support Pokemon,making them give up half your prize pool. You know, it really is roughfor for these two and three prize decks to play against ATP especially.So what are the cons then, of playing ATP? In my mind,the biggest con is is almost the same as its pro where if you havethose bad start then it's really, really hard to come back from there.Yeah, unless your opponent's deck is just equally slow and like gives you thatopportunity to alter creation. Anyway, yeah, it can be one of the decksmost susceptible to crushing hammer and I would say that there's like two points, two pressure points, to pressure turns with ATP that you're just like reallyhoping they don't get a hammer or, honestly, just get a knockout.Right. So you have that first turn where you know you're trying to justattach your first energy of the game, and so if they hit a crushinghammer will then it becomes much harder because now you need a two card Comboin saucer and energy switch to get, you know, that energy that youlost on your ATP. And then the other pressure point is right after yougx and you, you know, are trying to get the the attack offand so that can be really difficult if they hit hammered there. And soI don't know, maybe maybe it's the it's the one deck that's that's amongthese top decks that's the most affected by crushing Hammer. And so yeah,you just just again another mindset thing. If you're going in with ATP,just you can't be o take it too salty when the the hammer flips don'tgo your way. Yeah, I agree. So, I mean I think atthis point we're probably not going to sell you on or off ATP.You know, it's it's really strong deck. It prais on support Pokemon. Itgets games done quick though I personally wouldn't play ATP for many of mykeys because I feel like the Games are somewhat out of my control when Iplay ATP. But it's a great deck to really get through those keys quickly, especially if you're on our time crunch. Yeah, definitely. Let's jump downto our next deck then, and this is where it gets the mostcontested on the tag team podcast, and that is peak rom. So peakrom, the lightning rats, the staple of this format. Really. We'veraved up peak around for a while. So I don't think we need tosing. Its praises a lot of benefits. With the resets theymp paralyze all ofthat. You have the any other like more niche pros, to playingpeak ROM Moren itch pros. I mean it is just a really consistent deck. I like the fact that it's another deck that you, you know,maybe want to choose to go second with. So there are a few decks,other decks out there that also would want to go choose to go second, but you can also work your way out of going first. So Ithink that's another thing. Like it was sent to scorage. You you reallydo want to go second every single game,...

...but with the deck like Peak Rom, you you can work your way out of going first, going second, give yourself a lot of options. There's certainly more more thinking with thedeck than I think people give it credit for, because there are just thesemarginal plays that can help you later on in the game, whether or notto, you know, discard certain cards or keep certain cards, or playMarnie or play research in that turn. I mean they're just a few kindof marginal decisions that can that can really swing the match. You know,Indo your Indo or out of your favorite by a few, you know,percentage points. So I think it doesn't get quite enough credit for being,you know, it's one of the harder decks play and I don't think itgets enough credit, for sure. For sure, I think in terms ofconstant e Kuram has a big target on its back. So a lot therewill be a lot of niche decks that maybe aren't on this list that willbe built to beat peak ram or have good matchups against peak ram. Ialso think you gram if it's another deck where, if you get a reallyslow start, it struggles to come back from that kind of not as muchbad as ATP, but I you know, compared to deck like Luke Metal,I think is the best example, where it can start off a littleslow and come back fine. It turn it is can also start off withlike a couple like kind of weaker power exel turns and still come back.He Cram doesn't really have that, in my opinion, especially if you prizea cocoa and they flip a hammer heads, then you're like can be in apretty rough spot pretty fast. Yeah, that' said. Peak Ram is probablythe best user of Crushing Hammer. It's the best user of reset stampas well in terms of these top decks, though, in those are both likeexceptionally good cards right now. So yeah, definitely is reason P dromasup there hammer. That the Nice thing about the crushing cammers that you justPeek Ram has the consistency options that some of these other decks don't have,and in the form of just being able to draw a significant portion of thedeck without needing to to utilize a draw supporter, and so you just havethese consistency options to be able to play crushing hammer a lot more easily.So a huge reason they supported that is is Pekram has the most pokemon searchof all the decks right now, the most accessible pokemon search. So youhave the clickballs and the eradars, which really let you get all the Pokemonyou need, draw your sport Pokemon as well as your main attackers very quickly, and that really can't be understated. Right now, most decks are reallythe only consistent search they have as quick ball, then they're also working outlike great balls and coms. Or if your ground does not that from atall, sure, so good. What's it is enough. On Peak Rom, we have do have one more peak around question for you actually, interms of builds, how what people, I'm kind of build, are youfeeling? Do you like heavy bolt on? Do you like having me too?Somewhat something between? I mean I like an elevated account of Bolt on, like if I'm being asked to, you know, play two or three, like I'm going to generally try to fit in more. I just valuethat Pokemon as that support that set up. And then also in the late gamethere are just times with your bench where it gets a little too fulland I find myself discarding bolt tons. But then I'll want a bullet pointin the end of the game. You know, it's just like it needs. It has its right times. Right, it's never that good in the midgame, but it's always pretty good. I mean you want it in thein the early game, and then you generally want it in the lightgame. So I don't ever find that having fewer bolt tons like. I'drather have that elevated count. In terms of mew two, I like metoo as well, giving you an option to go up against the colossals,so the world, the EXCA drills of the world, and also slightly getagainst etp yeah, true, true. I was just going to say that. And it can make for some pretty fun mirror matches too, for sure. So there you go. We endorse both you two and I both onaccount. Yeah, definitely so. Last, but certainly not least, on ourlist is another deck we've been seeing the praises of, and that isit. Turn it is. It wus the scoop on it. Turn itthis. Well, turn it is is the kind of deck that I justI'd love it. I love it. I love that it's it's straightforward,it hits for high damage. It can really control the opponent's board. Ifyou get set up, you know quickly enough it's low maintenance, generally speaking. Generally it's hammer proof. You know...

...you have that that first attack onthe eternity is to be able to accelerate some energy. So I like ita lot. It's the, like I said, the most low maintenance deckthat we have right now. For sure. I don't know if I necessarily agreewith it being hammerproof. I think turned his struggles with hammers pretty hard, but well, really, I don't know, I don't like there areways around it, I guess. Is All I mean to say. Yeah, I mean you can definitely play into it, but you know they hitlike a second hammer heads and it feels really awful. Sure that a certainpoint you have to stop powers? True, true. True. So, youknow, I think in terms of it turn this it moves really fastin terms of like damage output. It can pretty consistently get to und seventyplus on the second turn. You know you're looking at just a fairly lowmaintenance deck. Like you get out your two energies and you start swinging.You have the four Crow Bat to for your consistency. You can play Oh, pretty wide ray of builds as well. So it turns to the deck andkind of Sculpt to your liking. And in my mind, to conis the hammer weakness, because it really once you get out of the earlygame and power accelerating, you are halfed at the one or cheaper turn,as opposed to some of these other decks on the list which have other formsof acceleration. And in fact I think actually every single one of the otherdecks in this list has some sort of acceleration. Besides, it turned isand when it's not power celerating. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, and that's that's I mean, you know, hammers. I saythat that it's hamberproof. But yeah, you bring up a good point wherein that La game, if the hammers have been saved and they're able tohit one, two, three, you know, at the most inopportune times, it can really make for some difficult, difficult end games. But I thinkthat is just generally, you know, kind of crossed out by just howgood it turn it. This can be against peak arm, against option. I look at those two matchups, this being particularly favorable. And thenjust against the random stuff like last player's Cup, I played chars ARD vMax a couple of times. I played, you know, a couple of mewtwo's, I played I don't know, like some real a boom decks,like just against those random kind of right big attackers, you're going to thrive. Yeah, and that's what I was going to say is at turn isdrives of the more prizes your opponent's pokemon gives up because it can probably Koit. Yeah, so, you know, three, four, I think attorneyis is the best against three prize kind of decks, like decks thatuse tag teams heavily or or vmax has. And then it's pretty good against yourprize decks because it can kind of just knock all those out and usuallygets to hit coot and return and then struggles the most against one prize decks, which really we haven't seen a lot of lately. So you know,maybe this is the time for one prize deck to rise up. Perhaps.Yeah, one of the one of the biggest cons. I mean, youyou look at a good peak, I'm a good ATP match appeared not somuch looking at a good z option luke metal matchup. Yeah, that wasone of the ones that scares me. But you know, you gotta yougot to think with all the things that we talked about Luke metal maybe notbeing the best play for, you know, a newer player. I certainly couldsee someone that you know, plays Ash Luke metal maybe without a lotof practice, maybe not quite knowing, you know, what to do incertain situations and maybe playing themselves into unfavorable positions by, you know, playingdown an extra pokemon or not using their gx at the right time. Andso, you know, I would just the caliber of the player in thePlayers Cup should be generally high. You know, people that care, butyou also see it again, just a lot of weird things. So youknow, if you're worried about that one unfavorable matchup, I would say,you know, maybe don't be or trying to account for it. So thereare two builds of eternity. Is Straightforward version, you know, and I'veactually seen a lot of turn it. This builds move away from scoop upnet which I think is a generally good shift. So the straight versions noware playing maybe more velso counts or more speared Tomb Sab Ali, that kindof thing, but just kind of foregoing the scoop up nets and not reallyrelying on those Zigzagoon's except to give you the extra ten damage to one shotin ATP on the other side he got poison builds of eternity, and Ifind these to be a little bit clunkier generally, but having better matchups againstthe Zosh and Luke metals of the world and even, you know, maybeshifting more favorably the send of scorch matchup. So what are your thoughts, Riley, on poison attorneys versus the regular and what are kind of the cardchoices that you would make based on which...

...version you'd play? Yeah, Ithink you summarized pretty well the reasons you might play one or the other.You know, the main draw for me for poison would be the Senti scorchmatchup and Lucar on my metal matchup. I'm being able to like really justcleanly Okas and a scorch will solidify that matchup for sure, and then itgives you a fighting shot against Luke metal. I've generally, and I'm going tocontinue this trend, I like to air on the side of more consistent, straightforward builds for decks like this. So I prefer having like couple zigzagoons, a couple of evlt halls, you know, a spirit toumb or twoor more. Even I've seen like for spirit tomb variance pop up recently.I think that those kinds of builds will end up generally, over a longperiod of time, more successful because for every win you eke out against Lukemetal, because it's still not a guaranteed win, it actually it's still kindof a bad matchup, Yep. So, like why are we building a deckto make a bad matchup a little bit better? I don't think that'slike an effective use of deck space. That said, like, there isa lot of other benefits to poison, like you can even climb up tooh cooing the mirror if you happen to get all the dudes out. That'sright, which is a challenge. is a challenge but possible. But Ithink against a field at large, I would rather have a straightforward variant atthis snapdount of time. I also really enjoy, and maybe you think differently, but I also really enjoy power plant in the deck just as another kindof it does kind of solidify certain matchups, like if you can get a powerplant to stick early against peak rum, they don't find any as well.That could be really problematic ATP is very, very reliance on their dedna's and even like their moll wiles, but you're probably have enough pokemon onthe bench anyway. And then it just gives you a little bit of anextra insurance against them, two decks which you don't necessarily need, but againit's kind of Nice. So what's what are your thoughts on on on thatStadium Card? And also another thing that I've seen is dangerous drill as well. Yeah, I do like. I do like having some tour removal anddangerous drill and the self energy is like kind of an answer benefit mostly tobe able to Ko ATP with like utmost efficiency. That big charm. Gettingit two, three hundred and ten is significantly more challenging to do on thesecond turn, and if ATP's allowed to ultimate Rayocrobat, you can kiss yourgame goodbye pretty much. So I like having that as an option. Evenif you get even, if you swing for like two hundred and eighty andthen dangerous drill at the next turn, that's a pretty big swing and potentiallyenough to like get you the game back, though I like having that option.I power plants, I'm not for sure on just because I like theconsistency that dark city provides and I'd hate to bounce that from my act.That's it. If you're playing a heavy enough evel to all account that mightbe less impactful to you, because email to obviously has that for your treatyeah, for sure. Now those are kind of our collective thoughts and atturns any other closing thoughts you have on these top Dextraw I'm just excited toget to it. I you know, we've been saying that we've been enjoyinga turn to speaker round now. Probably sounded like a broken record, butbut honestly, I mean you can't go wrong with a lot of these decks. We've given six that I generally would feel comfortable suggesting to anyone. Youknow these these are probably the cream of the crop, the the tier oneor close to tier one choices. So just again, be confident in yourin your deck choice. Do your testing. I would really recommend it, assupposed to, just kind of going and blind and know what your goodmatches, your band matches, are going to be and what you can doto kind of mitigate those and make your deck choices based on what you thinkyou might see. Absolutely I have a couple questions in chat that I wantto talk about before we jump into a cart of the day for this week. So first off, do you think Chrevnar is more of a road deckand Standard and you think now'm ore rotating? With reason. I haven't seen muchplay in Nolmar's a huge loss for Chrevnir and I don't think the RoadTom is fast enough to get it where it needs to be in the currentMeta. Yeah, Carlos Gd car ask what is your favorite Pokemon? IsPach? You and JW Dragon night are can I I could answer that foryou, but I bought lunch. I thought you were there for a secondact, and last one at least. Boart milk ass. Since mew metoo historically had copy attacks, you think there might be a Meuv Max?That is a similar thing there maybe, I anticipate there probably will be,because I think we've gotten now like a copy mew of like every like especial like pokemon. You know I'm talking about like this. There's a newstar, there's a mew and you prime,...

...there's a UX, there's a youtube, you tag team gx. So presumably there will be some sort ofVV Max version. Now. Well, we already have the V and somethingthat they've been doing is kind of updating the V's right. We've been seeinga lot of these, like yeah, like we had the Coco v NevvMack's a great example Coco v Max, where you kind of get get anew tool for an old v Pokemon as well as the new V for thatPokemon. True, so I think they're probably be something or maybe it'll beone of the v Fusion things, right. Right. So, anyway, partof the day. So for this week I want to choose another funcard. So this past weekend my best friends hat had gotten nudered and thepoor little guy was was so sad and I felt really bad for it.So on to pick a cat for the card this week, and the mostfun cat card, in my opinion, is meuth from noble victories. So, if you're unfamiliar, this is one of like it's one of the goofiestsecret are cards, I think. Yeah, yeah, this one. Yeah,yeah, it's one of the goofiest secret air cars I think they've everprinted. It's just a I mean, if the art from it it justlooks like a bog standard mouth card, to be honest, stage just likea meals that in a field. But there's a cool little meal of coinpaid a symbol that is on the bottom of the card and it's just socool. And you know, the fact is this goofy little me out that'slike a twenty plus dollar card because the secret are it just brings joy tomy heart if it's perfectly and with yeah, so I don't have like a tonto say on the card. Is just super neat, super cool,and it does. It does look sick. I'd like. The addition of thesymbol adds a lot to the card. I think so. Yeah, Iwonder how much they go for. Like a PSA ten, I haveno idea. The like a regular near Mint goes for like twenty five dollarsat least, maybe more. Even a pokemon prices are insane. I waswatching the Pikachu from cosmic eclipse, you know that full art one, yeah, sixty now, yeah, crazy. There's also, you know, forthe fans of this me out, there's also like a Pikachu downe in asimilar are styled this me out that has like the an electric symbol on thebottom instead. Yeah, but I want to do them out because he's cooland iconic. And the cat got nutered and the poor cat got neutered.I hope this me out didn't getting neutered as a dramatic experience, I'm sure. So let's jump over to our last topics for today, and that's goingto be some general mindset tips for the Players Cup. We hit on thisa couple times as we talked to the top decks. But Players Cup iskind of a grind. Like you're working through fifty of these keys and youknow you could potentially have three rounds of play in all of those. Sowe're talking at least a hundred, or at least like a hundred ish gamesto do this, maybe even more, up to a hundred and fifty,and that's a lot of poke. So did W we have three main tipshere. Why don't you walk through our first one? Yeah, first onefor me would just be be present for your game. So what I meanit's like don't, don't kind of go through these these games kind of WillyNilly, you know. And I was very victim of this and Players Cupto where I finished one and, you know, maybe I did bad andI was like, okay, I got to run it back and I gottalike, I gotta, I gotta prove that that wasn't a fluke. Andthen I kind of had this like rage my set. You know. It'slike I'm just going to go fast, I'm going to prove that that lastone like maybe wasn't real. You know, that wasn't a real game, right, and I know that the deck can perform better. And then theother one was just me winning and then kind of, you know, doingthe same thing where it's just going, you know, run a back,run it back, like I'm on a hot streak. I'm going to govery fast and and I know I can. Just it was a breeze that lasttournament, so I know this next one's going to be a breeze.And just not being as present as I could have been, you know,not checking the prizes, not, Yep, double thinking through my actions, andit definitely cost me a couple of times in the Players Cup to yeah, absolutely, I kind of. I kind of have like the opposite problemwhere I get out of like anxiety for playing in tournaments for and this goesfor like all like even on the ladder, I like to like kind of pausebetween my games and like like take a breath. So I recommend likebetween your games and the cops, just take take like a minute, likeyou a laugh around your office or something like. Walk around for a second, take a breather and then sit down and go through it again. becaauseit's really easy to hit that play again button, especially after a loss,but even after a win, and and...

...just to continue playing without really thinkingabout it. And no matter how good of a player you are, likeat a certain point your play will decay, especially in the online setting, whereit's easy to get distracted by other things. You know, you're onyour computer, you know you could all the sudden pull up a youtube videoon the side and you're just paying attention to do it more than the gameyou're playing. That's pretty easy to do. Yeah, and you know, ifyou're one of those players that maybe plays better, yeah, with somethingin the background or with a distraction, I mean, Hey, you know, more power to you. This is just some tips that we can givethat if that of for sure, certainly, certainly are things that I'm going tobe thinking about in this players come run. Yeah. So the nexttip that I have and is about deck swapping. So what I want toemphasize is at the end of the day, you'll see a relatively like normalized experiencewith your Players Cup and by throwing one deck consistently you'll get pretty goodresults on the whole. So, for example, if you're big into Lucaron the metal and you run into a Senti scored to tournaments in a row, but then maybe the so you switch decks. But then maybe in thosetournaments that you rant switch decks, you run into colossal a bunch of times. So you switch back and then you get sound scorch against you switch.What you're going to find is that you're getting. You're adding extra randomness towhat there's already random. Is, in my opinion, the Players Cup,you're basically kind of especially around one, you're basically getting like a random pullout of a hat for what deck you're going to get sure so by it. So if you consider that to be random, and obviously there's like somefactors that go into that, like the medium on the day or but ifyou get through that to be random and you like also introducing like you're constantand shifting of decks, you're going to like compound on that and you're goingto get less consistent results. So what I would recommend, I did thisfor Players Cup too, and I saw a lot of success was just stickinglike one or two decks and running those down. You know, I playedthe ground Luke metal for every single one of my keys in players cut toand what I found was, yeah, I would have some tournaments where Iwould just lose round one, but you know, if I took a breatherand came back with Pete Ram, maybe I'd win the whole thing or maybeI'd lose around one of it again, but if I kept throwing an APPI would eventually get the results that made sense to me. Sure, sure, I think to it's important to give yourself like a stop gap. Youknow, I think that there are going to be some players out there thatare saying, okay, I've heard all this advice, I need to justtake one deck and stick with it for the entirety of the tournament. AndYeah, I would just suggest, you know, maybe give it like giveyourself that point where you can look at your data and you could say,okay, here's the pace that I'm on with my current deck, and thematchups that I've been seeing have been favorable UN favorable, and you know,maybe that's twenty games or twenty five games or thirty games and you decide,hey, you know, maybe it's time for a change, or I'm doinggreat and I could stick with my one deck all the way through. Ijust give yourself that out, because I know it can be really certainly anxietyand Dou thing for me, where I'm like I'm going to do all theplayers come three on one deck and then I find this deck really isn't likeyeah, and like I don't think he's like definitely don't get in the trapof like thinking you have to stay on one day either. I think,like JW said, give it, give it a fair shake, give itten keys or ten games, or however you want to go about it,and if it's really just consistently not working, then you know it's time to change. But you won't know it's consistently not working unless you give it thetime for that to happen. Yeah, exactly. So we have one moretip here, JW, lay it on us. Wait, which one isit? Okay, I think you kind of merged the two that you saidtogether. I separated them. So I think outside of mindlessness and like losingtrack of what's going on, the other I kind of separated this. Ithink JW put it in the same vein. Don't get like tilted and continue toto key up over and over again, because though like a little bit separatefrom the mindfulness. Mindlessness is just like rage queuing, you know,if you really want to have a rage game, just go to the ladderor something, because you're going to make more mistakes, you're going to loseagain and then you're going to do the same thing over and over. Thishappens all the time and all sorts of online games and don't let it happenwith your Players Cup, with your keys, are precious. Yes, I wasa pretty bad victim of this and I definitely had tournaments that suffered fromit and Players Cup. To learn from my mistakes. Don't rag Q,and you'll be much happier, much happier.

TAG team listener. That's right.And also, I mean, you know, to we've been talking abouthow to be successful. Just just maybe, to wrap it all up, islike, if you're not successful, that's okay, you know. Youknow. I didn't make the second stage of players come to and and Iown up to that. I mean, that's you know, it's not partof who you are under what's that part of who you are? Now,part of WHO I am? No, no, no, I actually amgoing to send the oppos I'm to say your players getting free performance is nota representation of you. So you know, if you perform well, you know, you know, don't, don't let it go to your head.And then if you perform poorly, just again remember you are not your performancein this in this tournament, and that goes for a lot of other thingsbeyond Pokemon, but just for players, go three, just just go aheadand think. Think that way where it's like, separate yourself from the gameand it'll be less anxiety and doucing, for sure. Absolutely. I wouldsay building off of that, like make sure you're having fun the whole way. If it's not an experienced scratifying, don't force yourself into it. Youknow why. Why Grind for something that you won't make you happy at theend of the day? So keep your keep your attitude positive, play thebest you can. Look learned from your mistakes when you lose, and learnedfrom the Games themselves when you win. There's still plenty that you can reflecton. Don't let it the Players Cup either way define you as a player. It's just another tournament at the end of the day. Definitely, andwith that, I think that's a perfect sentimental note to bring us to aclose here today. We all always appreciate your listenership and support. You guysreally make the wheels turn here, and your what keeps us going. Ifyou're listening on a podcasting platform, you know the you know the thing.You gotta rate and review it. Really really appreciate it in you. TheyW just literally digging. Make sure you check out full group Games and fullget codescom for all of your pokemon needs. We were going to have all sortsof new things stocking us soon with the new packs coming out, sobe on the lookout for those and make sure to follow us on our socialmedia platforms. Guys, we have tag team pokemon on twitter, we havereal John Walter on twitter, we have smiles the briles on twitter and wehave flex addy righteous on twitching YouTube. What are you doing? Get following, that's right. Come join and be a part of the community. Comejoin it, be a part of the discussion, some of the best PTCGdiscussion around. We Love You, guys, we appreciate you always and we willcatch you next week, Pase. See You.

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