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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 42 · 3 months ago

3-42. The Return of the Kings

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The dynamc duo is back! Join Tag Team in introducing the Chilling Reign format- finally here! The spooky shade of Shadow Rider and the freezing cold of Ice Rider reign supreme, learn all about it here!

O, what is a guys looking back to tagteam back at his usual home? My name is riley hubert, with my good good friend,j, w crewall and together we are the pocoon trading card games from gear,podcast, ing duo w. How are you doing today? He i'm doing good man yeah, it'sbeen a while huh yeah, it's been in a rough patch for sure yeah, it yeah.It's been rough. Personally, it's been rough just like with me and the move and yeahjust like scheduling and stuff. It's been crazy, but yeah. I haven't reallyhad a problem like that in a really long time so well and it's and it andwhen it was in the past, it's always been like a one week thing where it'slike. I you know i can't make it or- or you know you riley like you, can't makeit but like we'd, always cover for the other one. But then it's like neverbeen really this, like prolonged yeah issue. You know i feel, like it's beenjust extremely prolonged. Like this whole month, it's been rough yeah, butwork back the driver's seat ready to go our things with the new house. How areyou feeling well tonight is our first official night at the new place, soyeah yeah, we don't have air conditioning. Yet in the new place wehave some ac unit, so we have one set up in our bedroom that i just turned onwhen i got here and i'm going to probably set one up in my office,because i think the other tenants left a few hanging around. But we tried to milk the air conditioningfrom our old place. You know as long as we possibly could, because this weekit's been like lows, mids, and then we just got some rain today, so it's kindof cool things down a little bit, although right now what it's seventysix right now outside. So i am if you're watching this on you tube. I amsweating my nuts off sorry. Are you going to get a centralunit at some point or we are so the question there is like because we hadto. We had to not deplete our resources, but like we had to use some some moneyto pay for some other things, yeah and so we're just trying to decide like wehave now we have to do our electrical, not not like all of the electrical, butwe have to replace the panel anyway, that's kind of a big expense, and wewant to get that done before we do any kind of air conditioningkeeting and then the heater will need replaced eventually at some point, butwhether or not that's like this summer or if we just you know, wait one yearand and get it, but will more than likely do it. You know, and the nextcouple of weeks saying it's all coming together. It is yeah. It's awesome,it's awesome, so we're really be really looking forward to. We got great like hosting areas downstairs.The studio is just super fun. I'm excited to be inhere, there's a lot of space and like it's not in a basement anymore. So i'mstill in about this in a plus. What's that not being in a base in so plus isuppo yeah for sure, although it's definitely cooler in a basement is, areyou going to get like this stereotypical, like blue and blacksound proof? Bom, and i do need some pun, because i don'tknow if you can really hear it where you're at, but i hear a little bit oflike reverb off the walls, yeah yeah you can hear. Oh no, i was justsinging like yeah. I understand okay yeah, so i'm getting a little bit ofriver. So i think i just need a few things like a few panels on the farwall, the one that i'm speaking to and that should probably be good, but icould that's nice name. I can, when i think about it actively, likedefinitely yeah yeah or i do one of those things you know they have soundboxes like for around the microphone. So it's kind of you could maybe hearyourself, but then the quality of the audio is still like pristine, becauseyou have this like foam box around the outside, but i mean people, peopleworking worse. So i'm just super blessed. I feel like to have have whati have so talk to me about what you've been up to riley. You were at asporting event. Yeah i mean today i was...

...at a a minor league soccer game here inmadison tamis forward, madison really fun. We ended up winning onezero and definitely plan to go again is thefirst time i've been out here in madison, really cool uniforms as telling youbefore the stream got this cool, like pink blue, aesthetic, which i reallylike a. I just went from a friend with afeminine work and we really enjoy ourselves. That was awesome, and in thelast few weeks i've been busy with gravel one some personal things so, but i'm feeling refreshed now it asdefinitely not in the best place a couple weeks ago feel on a lot at atthis point, and i'm really excited for you know getting back in the swing withtag team as well. Yep, absolutely we're we're stoke to be back. It was fun tohave a couple of a couple of guests on you know over the last few weeks, but oyeah, who was the best one who was the best one super to of super? To i mean iwould say, of all the people that were on tag team over the last three weekslike i was probably the best man yeah right, the best participant and thenmaybe you know, jake and and celia were like tied for time. For a second, idon't know hard to say, that's a good answer. I was worried when you startedresponding that you're, like you're, actually going to rank the like on every day they molid great. Itis really it's really cool to talk to them and what i wanted to do, and itold them that before the cast is like, i really wanted to try to get into kindof their mind, both as like a content creator, but also it's just like, likea person kind of like how they think and maybe take it away from. You knowthe actual card aspect, because i know that's what we tend to do is like youknow, we'll talk about the mat agame, we'll talk about the cards, but iwanted to you know when we have guests on, i feel like it's kind of beyou wantto have a guest on a yeah. You want yeah exactly you want to know aboutthem right. So that's kind of where i took the interviews and- and i hope youguys like them- awesome stuff sounds like ws his number one stillwhen it comes to tag team, guest stars, but you now number two is a lost closecontention. That's right! Absolutely! So, let's talk about the metate. Let'stalk about some cards, there's been a salu of things that have happened inthis last month and i know we kind of feel like we ham up how much washappening every single week, but there's actually even a lot happening,because the new set has dropped since ye last one. A meta analysis, chillingrain is finally here. After a long period of anticipation, obviously there's some obvious standouts. The calli reck uo both showing up hot in avyou just off rip. What is yourfavorite deck at this point? Chilling right. Well, i mean you just had tothink about the shadow rider calyx right like like it has a has a you know,quote unquote: infinite attack like a non scalable attack right and then, andthen that's that's good. Just generally, you know maybe not necessarily alwaystear one but like good right and then you have an ability that draws cardswith, like also not necessarily indicative of a tier one arkansas, butlike pretty good, but then also that ability, oh yeah it it attaches energy as well. So, likeyou combine all those three things and it's you kind of, unlike anything we'veever seen before you know to be honest, and that has to be one of the most fundecks in terms of just the power level that imaybe have ever played. Yeah people are definitely talking up shadow writers,big time and leaves in the twitter verse making waves on the s tournaments.You know there's a lot of debate. I feel like about how you should be inshadow rider: do you have any kind of...

...takes on on the way that should look yeah?Absolutely so i love the you know path to the peak with withdouble trevor. I think that that is probably the best arc type out there.Just because you have this kind of very oppressive lake game where you'remarning, you know, shuffling back in a couple of cards may be playing a pathof the peak and that's the beauty of the deck is that it can go through so fast, the deck that you don'tnecessarily need to have your abilities at all times and in a lot of cases itmakes more sense towards the end of the game to shut off your opponents.Abilities than to you know have access to your own, so i love building it.That way, i don't necessarily. You know feel too strongly about the otherarchetypes that we've seen like the alchemy vema, i think, is probably theyou know. Second, most played archetype of that shadow rider caterick, and idon't i understand why it's played, but i just prefer the more kind ofoppressive strategy of that late game, because it almost feels like you couldbeat anything with the trevanion or hitting the right cards, or you know just putting your upon inreally awkward situations. I mean that's definitely true, and thatwas definitely one of the premier popular ones in very early face of thegame as well. I feel like our creamy has gotten really popular recentlywhere people seem to be all over that at the moment. I kind of like the alcamy version,because i like how straight forward it is it's strategy, and i like the on dark week on cep. Ier damage,attacker kind of like an explosive option andthing like the mirror. But one thing i think is particularly interesting is:is the inclusion of the path that you can it almost the archetype reminds mea lot honestly and and just stop me, if you think i'm mean crazy here it. Itreminds me a lot of like zori arbedoe yeah. You would intentionally like turnoff your abilities for the sake of disrupting your opponent. Yes, becauseyou were so effective at getting through your deck, it didn't matter.Yes, yes, that's a very apt! You know analogy between the two,because you had this. This other architect were like in most cases right.It didn't necessarily make sense for you to get rid of the trade abilityon dorak right, like like just just generally speaking, like it's good, tobe able to draw cards so to shut that off. For you, you know when you're getting out twothree four zor arcs, like that seems kind of crazy right, but then there arecertain points where you just get so far ahead of your opponent, that italmost doesn't matter if you shut down your own abilities because they aregoing to be just so much more impacted by it and so yeah. That's that's agreat great analogy there in the sense that yeah after a certain point, theability is not really matter and what you're going for after you have acouple of attackers up is just you know, swing it for knockouts and trying tolimit your ponis options. I think another as well kind of in addition to that is sometimes i feellike oric might struggle to turn off. Like turn it to build back on. I, likethe fuel blower is not a really a searchable card, so you just had to it,and he of these. I hope you drew it when you needed it or play the cliftydown, but kind of an interesting comparisonor bat writer, specifically, if they havethat mar shadow and playing it in like decent quantities. I've seen peopleplaying like even three of them and yeah. All with the intention of youknow. I can not only use mar shadow to remove chaotic swell and play paths tothe peak safely, but i can also just like leave it on the bench and and when path to the pa comes into play.I can on demand, turn that off with simple fog crystal right, right, yeah,absolutely, and then i mean that's again. If we want to talk about, youknow the similarities right ye heads or a garbato that was playing to sometimeseven three field, blower, so same idea...

...there right, where you're going to getrid of them tetons there, but i think our interesting part of that mar shadowis it's so much easier to find m. True, if you have far crystal you have quickball and he just a poke on which is generally easier to find, as you canget it or steel barry just had to have it yeah.No, absolutely absolutely what i also have been noticing to. We have kind ofthe path of the peak variant, but we've also seen some shadow writers that gomore of an attacking route, and so i've been seeing a lot of shadow writersthat you know maybe play the out cremet ough.I i don't know that i've seen that too too much, but more so, like galeriensaptos and having kind of options with aurora energy to attack yeah, and imean i think, that's a valid option obviously is aptus was literally madeto counter return. It is, i feel you can't even say that itwasn't it just t was yeah and i think it does that job prettywell. What i like having some sort of alternativeattacker, though outside of shater, even a simple like very thin line about creamy or like one like one genario, one seven are like some allsort of alternative strategy that you can leverage seems good to me, andmaybe that just me that's just like the wrong take line, and i just find withonly shadow writer and alis, i mean clearly you can be doing it, but i, like you know, especially in thedeck that draws a lot of cards like this and attaches energy so rapidly. Ilike having options like being able to do more than just isha like support card,implies that i for sure for sure. So what would bekind of your favorite alternate attackers? I mean we're talking about alimited kind of scope, right, of course, having to generally be psychic to justbe able to utilize the the shadow rater caller ability to the fullest. But ifyou're to play a shadow iter caller x b max, that's not the up kremer ion. Whatare your alternate attack or that you're going with, and maybe what aresome counts that you're going with yeah? I think it depends a lot on your goals, i think, outside of out creamy calcines.Definitely my favorite in trevena probably is like the second, and i would either play it in a onecount in like a more attacking focus tack or to count in a deck that lead or into that strategy. Canorae, cues, okay and it's a great bat like one of looking for just likefine pokemon to slat in did you have like the gs attack, is agreat utile right time to set up, but i'm actually looking to attack, i wouldsay traveno is better in the sure sure yeah absolutely there's. Also, yes, jolly fine man brings up in the chairhere, there's a mar shadow that copies attack. So there's a cosmic eclipse,marchait er one yeah for like three energy, a copies, and it fact from yourpoints, active yeah. That's right, that's right! So that could be kind ofa cute little little attacker i mean. Obviously the biggest benefit is thatit's a non v non v max pokmanty. You know onerise. I don't think that water feels their job as good as a good though,because like doesn't want hit co like a dese and as he does what he kotherright right, yeah exactly so that's another great kind of question that iwanted to also ask about this about the arceti is like what would you do we sawover the weekend? I think it was in the...

...sunday open that decidin just kind ofstopped through through the tournament. What would be if you were playingshataronra's? What would be your counter to deciduate yeah? It's tough, because decision deck havelike a lot of different ways. They can adapt. I think the most reliablecounter either like a one or two count of crosely with ordinary rods m there,one or two or narad, depending on the motel that you have. I think that's themost reliable counter that you can get with a psychic deck, but there are alternatives. Famly, thethe shadow righter v has the spread attack that does fifty damage counters.That does work. But if the decision i act is playingbig parasol a place damage counters with an attack right that you need tocounter to that. So you either either play the crisae which is viable or youlike, teck a tool jammer, i guess like jam. Er, would work better thanscrapper in that case and use the red attack, whichtheoretically would work, but it's like you're kind of in a catch twenty twolike. If you play a scrapper, then they can play down one umbrella at a time. But if you play a jam or then they canscrapper it, so it's like whenever they're playing as their tack, the pet will affect it. One is betterfor you. I think, ultimately, if like didies, actually a top ter concern foryou, you should just play corcelle sure an i your take as well. Or do youprefer an alternative strategy yeah? No, i don't think that there's necessarilyany alternative strategy on one that would be. You know the strategy thatyou would probably go to. Should you face a isay with a standard you know, attacking based, calleresteck would probably be just to try to power up a zappo and just go for a kind of anenergy denial strategy. It's not the greatest answer, but certainly you haveenough energy that you could. You know, get some big hits in and try to run theopponent dat. You know pretty low on energy and then maybe do like you'resaying snipes with the with the basic shadow at er i mean the other options. Baveno mar right try until they hit a rose, true true as a valid strategy to like games, but i think it like, if you cidalise,actually concern so, which i think ultimately was how decidua did so. Well. If youlook at the sunday open- and i was talking about this with somefriends- is like it shouldn't- be surprised it. I did well and an eventlike that feel like on these early format. Events people are reallyexcited to play the archetypes and play them as straightforward as possible forthe most part, which means like often you deciduacounter. If any t to me, it doesn't seem like ahuge surprise that tibo did well given the circumstance was like one of these super earlyformat. Events all right, but props of the players like recognizingthat opportunity and fully capitalizing on oars. Yes in the top, for i think itwas, i absolutely radicles- that's hilarious, yeah, it's so funny, it issounds really funny yeah. It's someone raise up a chestwhile the baby or crismas also good. If you're playing the aurora energy yeah,it depends on your energy line as well, like maybe eving across the only worksif you're playing aurora for like aptos taf you're playing it not aptos parian are playing a ro, which means behusband cool, but it is very good. The case that you have a word or that speciic part, i would say,cicale's a better all around her as...

...well, because you can like burn to first turn going second use crysalis to what effect is happen to have it sure, like you, don't have that optionwith hearing cross right right cos. Part of the reason i like i'mcreamy as well. It's because, like you, have a kind of a slow start, you canuse the adornment to just power up your whole bench and like it sets you up fora creamy and for shadow right, yeah, yes, yer kind of a dual benefit there. There's just i mean there's i feel likeso many it's weird, because the psychic pool of attackers is not large at anymean no, no ratlers imply yeah. We've been seeing like something like youknow, necrosis, i think a move or excuse me, the cross of the no crossmove with the snipe attack on my first one, yep and and kind of that that bigheavy hitter to to twenty. I believe on the second. If you have a specialenergy attach i mean that could be kind of cute, but yeah, like you said likeat the point that we're going to those kinds of attackers. You know i feel,like we've kind of depleted right, there's such good premier attackers andgangamba and travenion that it's like and then shadow rider callers. For melike for that matter, you know the rat attacker as well. So just like ridethose things to victory, i think you're going to do pretty well. Are there anyother like stand out partners? In your mind i mean the glarin. Aptos obviouslymakes a ton of sense just because everything, if you go the big you know, shadow writer and then v, nat or g maxexcuse me tag sea route, then you're going to have. You know obviouslyissues with anything dark, so get yourself a couple of aptos ifyou're going this kind of attacking version and the slot and some aroarenergies, and that's probably the premier premier secondary attacker. Forme, i love the ores, yep, very flexing, that's right! No. Iwant to talk, then about ice writer and some of the other, likearchetypes, that have emerged and how they all fit together in the meta game,before we jump into that, i do want to lug our art of the day for this week,exact way to fit it in. So, if you have not seen there are acouple new cards that have been revealed or along in skies a belegendary birds there in a doses, a bridge there, we got clarian aptos, clear, articulo,clar maltres, all of which attached energy of our specific type went thereplaced on to the bench and then they have like okay attacks. Now these remind me quite a bit exceptthey're, better of a very favorite card. In my mind, which is dark, i prism star, so, as you may have gathered from someother part of the days. I am a huge dark, accelerating tacker stand yeahand i have tried to make dark a prism star. A part of those are types atleast like five different times in separate days. That's a i every time,there's a deck that plays dark energy. I try to make their cribes and star apart of that strategy, yeah and so far it's never made it to the final cut,but it's really cool every time. You pull it off yeah. If you always havethe one game with darker prison, star and testing, where you get it and itgets you exactly where you need to be in terms of damage and your yourfriends are so tilted that you hit it just like that, and it's like wow,that's almost enough to make me play it tomorrow, that's funny, but then you never do yebe like. I tried it three worlds. When...

...i was testing narth base, i was playingit. I touchera ed, dark box and tested it andard when it first came out sure i think the only thing that that dark, hard is better than like this isas it's like super sleep get the he had to fit two coins, which is actually very disruptive actially in the yohama. Yes, that wasreally, but it is kind of a bummary that, like muldoon, plays that's a fullaccount like a for of the present star as a guarantee, one of like ye a toopowerful line, the rain exam yeah just a couple of years ago, but well i meanit kind of makes sense, like we've seen that art that that ability before right,like when you think about pateris, would be the one that comes to my mindor it's like okay, you d play this pomon down. You get to a problem ridingit jes sucks for digre yeah. I know it does for sure kind of the odd man out othe leftover overlooked, and it's always funny when you have those cardsthat just like literally get out scale. I like a new one, yeah yeah, but it's i mean it's awesomethough, because like i just want to say on that topic of the of the birds allhaving the same or you know, identical, essentially abilities. That is great, i think, for the healthof the game, because it means that you can kind of make these differentengines in different colors and they all kind of you know they allhave this kind of common element to them. So i love, it will say, there's prettyobvious application for particu. I given what we have just spent, and it'stalking about shad a writer right getting to second energy and play tems.Okay yeah i does yeah definitely definitelydoesn't what an additional sixty damage for the kallya, not not too bad. Yeahfer las not hurt yeah. So i guess you could get. Let's see if you had fourshadow rider, that's an additional one hundred and twenty damage, and then youplay this down with two energy. That's one eighty damage, so you could likeramp up to two hundred and twenty damage of one turn from zero. I meanit's like theory, if you're for yeah, if you play two articulo, if you cantheoretically have your ba, oh yeah, i guess you could do it twice. You, oh mygosh she for shadow writer and to do article gonna, be like oude, n. Ninety ton, neight, we forty in the utah for e uran, seventy yeah yeah, that's crazy,a great man! It's a lot of energy to like have not often at like you have that many at, yeah one turn but be pretty cool it'd, be pretty apical sounds like asounds like a like a fun just like once in a lifetime turn. Definitely like ayou, dover, no doubt so, god, actually son a chat,brings it up. It's actually efficient to have just two shadow riders orarticus. Oh my gosh, a of course yeah. We were thinking about it the wrong way.So if you have those you get an energy plus your tachment, o leven, that's absurd! That's absurd! Something to think aboutguys. Yeh! Definitely, that's awesome! Well, let's transition,then into some of the other who orchillarain archetypes i feel like it would be a crime to not talk about ice writer.So i mean what are your thoughts, an ice writer my take is, that is decentand i really enjoy the engines that are with it right now. You very path to petfocus decks. It plays like a lot of...

...you know or like a rap and strike engine likesomething along those lines, but i don't think it really has thesame oath. That shadow writer does. Is that kind of how you're feeling as welli mean i feel like i've seen you know enough. People do well with it that ican. You know say that it's no worse than a tear to deck, but to me it justfeels like we have just such oppression with shadow rider. We have such justpower and and dinon ism with shadow rider that ice writer just feels like.I don't know a little well much weaker to me in comparison. So not not myfavorite archetype. There are ways to play around it. Right, like you, don'thave to swing in to activate that first attack right that their kind of revengestyle attack. You could, you know, leave certainthings active because they can't gust and also melanie in the same turn. You know there are just ways you canplay around it. I don't think it's a bad archetype. I think we were kind ofdunking on it a little bit earlier when the cards were released, like you knowthat this wouldn't ever see play- and it's, i think, certainly i'm donebetter than i expected, but i wouldn't say that it's you know i jack. I would choose to playat a at an upcoming tournament. I will say i definitely. I definitelythink it's like coldly to agree with them. I did have this really funny moment. Iwas talking to or friend i get over messenger a couple weeks ago at dan you're, both like saying yeah,like it at o, really sucks all like. Why did people even talkabout it? Why do people think about it? I just so bad and we both had read the card wrong in the same way, so we were both under the impressionthat for every energy you discard s eight hundred a d ten, that's like that sucks yeah. I have tosnip like twenty times to win, yeah right right and so we're like that isso awful, like first tack ever and then he comes back like two hours later andis like, like don know, you're about the car, but we both had independentlycome to the conclusion that the card was bad. For is specific reason thatwasn't even true. I wasn't even true that was so funny. I still think it'sall leather to molony is not as awesome as welder to say we yeah. We called that a while agothat malony would not i sais yeah and we're seeing that i mean half of thepeak component is cool. I think it's also tough to be like a one oust c,obviously not the only rock hard you play as opposed to water, which it islike still like a meloni focus back. I have like this a pokamal, this x yeah and it doesn't have like this ocopotential little acerti yeah and i mean granted. It's probablythe archetype. That has been one of the most played that i have the leastexperience with. So as i get more familiar with just how the decks youknow, i have a, i have a general sense of howitts. I know i've seen it beplayed and i've you know, played it a bit myself, but i haven't played allthe variance and you know certainly like there's, there's more exploring tobe done. That's what i really like right now about the meta game, like idon't know that it's been figured out. We have, you know, ice ritter. We havethese weird ad pliss that are coming out. There's people doing some experimenting.There's people doing...

...just there's a lot of open, endednessright now to how decks are created, and i love that people can go. You knowlike a path of the peak variants. They can go. You know with senci. Youmentioned that an ice writer they could do in teleon, which is one of thosethings. Certainly until i i'm being seen an ice rider as kind of the way tosearch up, malones and stuff i wanted to have. Oh you see, i think in thispoint we have seen no much more engine ativity, particularly with the introduction of the second indepen and the appin strike.Savo, i think, was a game changer in terms of you able to have the rapid strike.Sable that can owling is an option as well as this nibbing on the italian.That is ridiculous and cool, and i i liked this when they first revealed it.I said it was a well option ticking by that, like i was watching just some. Iwas just popping in like random in us the other day and just see what peoplewere doing and like seeing some of these, like intelli east x, like the amount of out that they haveto their cards the amount of cool strategies seriously cool, and i love that kind ofengine that a heavy one prize reliant ambo based at that seriously cool yep and then, like youknow, it's seen some more play. It's pretty common to play, cinch it. Theice rider as well and that's what i want to see more of like i think wewe've seen enough like geraci- do dane robat engines like el me more some ofthe you stuff that, like sertin shield, is proby presented us with yeah yeah.Absolutely and, like you said, we're we're in there. You know we're seeingthese archetypes moved less and less away from what we know traditionally asengines into more unique or at least less appreciated engine, and that'sthat's really cool. So, let's move away a little bit from ice rider caller icks, but you know one one archetype, that'scertainly in some of the most played is aternus. I want to get some of yourthoughts on that because it's you know kind of hovering in that. You knownumber two slat on most of the tournament that i look at in terms ofthe most played deck and it makes sense right because it was a very powerfularchetype. Last format didn't really lose much. In fact it gained a very youknow: prominent weakness in shadow rider, calorics just being weak thedark. So what are your thoughts about? Eterniusin the meta game, even with galerian arti cuno, the erse could be clar inmaltres, be roaming around yeah. I think it still has a place. The end of the day, with these aptos,at least in the shatered, there's more opportunity for returnest to playaround it, and maybe some other match ups. But it's still rough. Don't get mewrong, like that, is a man strong card that was made to conantur to this veryexplicitly, it might just say on the car that just kinder but like, like you, said, gating, thatprominent weakness and also improminent weakness has led to a downturn or rapidstrike, or she foo and so oppressive or yeah atternoon. The maltres archetypereally hard to deal for. The combination of those, youthink have spelled really good things, for i don't really like it that much fat onthe whole, though i don't think it has like a grate of a match spread,especially as that madigan is gone or in more reliable to icao had atturning when atp was so common icarus everywhere.

Ernest had that x factor. I can justknock you out when sunny scorches everywhere. Oh it turn his play. Thetwo acoba game better than sunny sport, a d but now we're seeing a lot of maxesether play that tako game on the same level or are like overtly harmful to turnthis. I don't think it's as good of a spakin.It's still a good deck. Rick is viable. It gets the job done, but it's not something. I would superfond to play right now, just because of the culmination of all these factorslike, i would rather play a deck like at a rider where i feel like i havemore agency over my game, other going gen one like a turn. It is where i feellike i'm a acos away from losing or like if i get caught it a ko war. Mypoint in places path to the peak like rude. I don't want to end up in those yeah, so, okay, good and i don't wantto touch too much on a turn. I just because we all kind of know like ohyeah, you know it's a good deck. It can do. We all know the things it can doand obviously two d, seventy on turn to is like just ridiculous, and now youget galeriens at ther. Galerian maltres to accelerate energy could bring a turnat us kind of out of nowhere. Even though we haven't really seen that muchcrushing hammer, so i almost feel like the multas right now is a little bit. The point is a little moot rightbecause really nothing of the top and filipe it gives you more leniency. Ithink sure, which i think was a problem with a is like in addition to hammeryou would just like whip or one and a sure, yeah and there's almost like apoint in a terne where it's like. You just need bodies out there. You knowyou're kind of it's kind of like you're playing, it's kind of like you'replaying pick up baseball and, like all right, you know zac couldn't make itthis week, so we just need to get. You know: galerian moultries out there tojust be another body on the field. You know that's lay level i curate this so yeah it turned. It is turn it is onmore to sec, dotis. Just one less comment: if you yeah, of course, wedon't give a crap about the energy excelsior can play the lie, part alternative, dark it on thebench, go sure sure the live part, of course getting rid of tools. What whatare the most prominent tools right now? Would you say in the metagami as itstands, i could think of like well. We mentioned it earlier in thecast like big, parasol and deciduate, but i don't know that that'snecessarily helping you air balloon is obviously in everything. But i don'tknow that live part is good and it's pretty good to get rid ofit. There's an occasional fathers, big paris, ousesor atef atle go yeah, oh matagoro sure sure absolutelycould make a different. So, okay, let me ask you this question,then riley, maybe as kind of a culmination to at least this week'sepisode, and this week's talk on the metagami you mentioned, like icewriters, probably not a ecod choose. You mentioned you, like shadow rideroutside of those two decks that we've covered. What would be an archetypethat you would want to bring to a tournament or that you would suggestfor someone to to bring to a tournament yeah i mean, i think, there's a coupleof keith at a game that you should own talking. First, the energy celebration. I can be hisconsistency and then the third game is basilia. I guess like being...

...threats. I kind of like quick lean de especially like the accelerationpart, and i think this is like crushing camera fell out of favor. Is thatthere's just so many ways now that maybe outside of those decks and i stillthink a rushy food find a plate? The game? I definitely rougher out there and honestly, like i think, lucarelmodo was like a reasonable place right now. Okay and again, o don't love to hear that i just likethere's some tried to archetypes. There is also- i wouldn't really play thisbecause i like too much for my small brain to handle, but there is like ases out of pakia birds yeah, which is wild, that one wasreally fun. I tell you i was messing around with it. A little bit on streamand doubt os that w i mean i mean, didn't you have a good time watchinglike i did. It was ridiculous man, and i also i wouldn't take this to atournament, but the rapid strike mali mar deck is ridiculously mme. I meanit's. You know i'm looking at the chill series tournament from tonight andsurprisingly, it's not doing that bad, just hovering below a fifty percent,with a couple of players already at eight wins through eleven rounds, butyeah that one's that one's extremely fun. I got to get my hands on somemalima. Well, i'm sure i have the mal mars, but yeah got a got to get aroundto which i and it's so fun. Yeah. That's awesome! Ican't wait to try it yeah yeah, just the combination of all theselittle goofy risers that are coming together to do something greatyeah, that's what is pretty is pick yeah. It's super interesting like tosee the archetype even be played and perform reasonably well from a coupleof players so yea that that continues absolutely. Is there anything else thathas kind of caught your eye a whole different thing? I think if ihad to drive on home, i think leparello. I believe next teck on my list get onthat i would play yeah, certainly um. I do think that youknow the italian stuff is kind of interesting, so anything that had thatcould reasonably play an italian line would be cool. I mean we've talkedabout the ice, rater caleras, but even something like italian v max yeah, withan italian line or untiled ui just to get you know not only that consistencyof the the drusie, but also doing a little bit of extra damage, which hasalways been something that decidit has struggled with. So those are somethings that you know at least the line that i would enjoy playing in a deck.If i were to go to maybe a casual tournament, if i were to go to acompetitive tournament, i mean we're, probably bring a chatter rider forcertain i mean that feels like the kind of deck for me that i could just playlike if we were having in real life tournaments. I would probably just playshadow rider cally rex and then like teck it for the meta game that i expectyou know i would agree, just run that deck into the ground, certainly on alocal level and probably on a regional or higher level. So so you know that'swhere i'm kind of coming at this entire madigan, but, like you said, the thezachal metal would be something that i also consider. I wasn't super high onzachal at a last format, but consistently there were people doingvery well with the archetype, and the people, like you know, just highlightjosh sutherland right, just just playing that archetype into the groundand seeing very strong results. Every single time just has to tell me like.Okay, the archetype is good when you know what you're doing, and hecertainly did and so yeah. I would. I would agree with you considering asasian look metal. I would. I would...

...absolutely suggest that to somebodygoing into a tournament, so is there anything else that reallycatches your eye or your attention and true, really phase feeling great? Well,it's been kind of funny how how the medagin has completely shifted awayfrom all the old v maxes aside from eternities and into all the new vemelike it's just so funny like er shafou used to be you know, a major presence,and now it's kind of been relegated to a tear two status and were just really seeing just howhow strong shadow atter is in comparison to all these other cards so yeah. I just find that very fascinating.You know we're not seeing the cent of scorches for not seeing the i don'teven like the v maxes are because we even the vicinis, we're not reallyseeing a lot of these old v max folkmen that we saw in the past, which is which is curious, good written sins. I know that wasn't really that playedin the last format, but it s you know it just just get all right p for sure. I think we got some awesome stuff, i'mexcited to see how things can develop and if there's any decks that reallycatch your eye, make sure to reach a sou on social media and we'll be sureto test them out talk about them on the show, speaking of which ever want tocatch any of us on social media. You can find his witter is probably ourmost use platform. So that's at smiles of riles at real john walter at tag.Team pokmanty live stream. The show every wednesday on which is a tv, suchhunter or at churchdiscipline leeks for out or dwo and jaw also streams prettyregularly on got a new udio day. He talked out earlier in the cast that hesetting up going to be super cool when it all comes together and but not inthe show of a lifetime. Yeah hope. So we appreciate all of your listeners,especially during this rougher pete time that we had of the last month.We're excited to be back and were excited to dive deeper and deeper intothe pokmanty card game with gal yeah. It's going to be a great time! Thankyou for being along on the journey sorry about the last month in terms ofthe the kind of irregularity of the cast, but we're back and we're ready togo now with that you'll sign off for thisweek and we'll catch you all next time is. Do you.

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