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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 48 · 9 months ago

3-48. Rotation Inflation

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys have suspiciously switched stances and are now discussing rotation! Come check out some thoughts on decks as well as cards to pick up!

Yo, what is up, guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry, wall JW Haws a hanging to day. That's going pretty well, Riley. How are you? I'm doing pretty well, I gotta say, with the exception, and it's a major one, I've had some pretty high level difficulties with allergies over the last last week or so. I am quite literally, I think I mentioned this last week, allergic to my place of work. Well, can I be the first to say oof, that's right. I think you are the first to say that in response. Yeah, that is quite rough. It's cringe. It's cringe for sure. It's definitely cringe, bro it is not based at all. No, definitely not poggers. That's been going on. But otherwise things have been going well. How are you doing? Um, I'm not allergic to anything as now. Yeah, it's my change, might not my change. Who knows? You know what? The climate is changing rapidly, so they say. My allergies may change rapidly, so they say. But yeah, I'm doing good man. I got like a bunch of like just content ideas flowing through my brain and I just that's good. Don't have the time to do them. And I want to play pokemon unite more, but I don't have the time to do that. And I want to play. I want to play one last tournament in this format, because I felt like I really didn't play many online tournaments. I mean I haven't throughout the pandemic, but I don't think I've played a single format tournament in this yeah, in this format. So, like I want to just give it one one try, one go, play something degenerate and kind of send this format off there in the middle of starting a massive battle that will last centuries to come. Oh Man, generations of cats will feel this on. Those usually don't end well, no, gotta say. No one comes out of these battles a winner. No, certainly, least of all you, at least of all she, at least of all me. Yeah, now I totally feel that. Man, a lot going on. It feels like time is slipping through my fingers lately. Yeah, definitely. I mean it's it's like kind of a good thing to like I feel like I'm busy enough, like it's not like I'm wasting away, but I just wish I have more time in the day to accomplish the things that I feel like I want to accomplish. It's tough, man, it's tough. Well as not to say, though, we don't have plenty of cool things on the horizon. I mean, let's be be real, there too. It got rotation coming up, we got evolving skies coming out soon and we've had the great pleasure of, over the last couple of a couple of weeks, I suppose, been learning more and more about the twenty five anniversary celebrations set yes absolutely very exciting. I was super height from this are for this rather ever since they had announced it, and as we learned more and more, I'm getting just more and more excited for it. I think the one card that really stands out to me, and if you have any other standouts, feel free to shout him out, tow but the professor's research, Professor Oak, that I saw it for the first time, I think, either say or yesterday, and it is so cool. I mean Fresser Oak. Obviously like the original discard draw seven. Back then it was more equivalent, like an item,...

...but having oak like the remembered and having his own discard draw seven. In the modern day, the arts different, and I was talking talking to Jwfore the cast. I'm not sure if I wanted them to go with the original art and kind of just recreate the card or if it'd be cooler to do a new art. But the new art is really cool. It's kind of like a reaching outside of the card and like writing on it. Yeah, I don't really know what that's supposed to mean. Like I feel like there's a symbolism there that I'm missing. He's he's extended his reach beyond the bounds of just the game, right, right, something like that. You know, when the designer was like creating the card, they're like, oh, wouldn't this be symbolic and cool of something? But I don't know. It looks nice though. I gotta Su like a it's a fun twist on the formatting of the card at the very least, so I'm really excited for that. I have to imagine that a place out of those will be very extensive. Yes, yes, I have to imagine like the whole set is probably going to be ridiculous. Yeah, we'll just have to see about allocations. Man, are you going to try to pick up any IRL? Definitely. Yeah, I'm really, really excited for this set. I really want to open some up. Yeah, me too, me too, so badly. We'll see if I can't get full group to like Pook me up. Yeah, with a whole collectors master set. Yeah, collectors master set, for sure. Everything. Any other cards that have been revealed? We haven't really talked about celebrations. Are there any all at the celebrations reveals that really excite you get your blood pumping? Um, yeah, I mean, I I love the primes. That's that's something we've talked about a lot. But I think the primes just that esthetic is just so fun and I'm glad they're bringing it back with the dragon pulse, the also the light, the light toxtricity, I think is so cool as well, because that was, you know, I mean that was right when I was getting into the game as a kid, where I wasn't you know I could buy the neo sets right when I was just getting into it. So, like I bought a lot of base sid packs, to be sure, and base that to primarily as well. Huh. But I was also buying, you know, those neo sets, those, you know, light and dark pokemon, right, I remember them very fondly. So it's really awesome to see that light toxtricity in there, and I'm definitely going to try to get one of those as well. Yeah, I all the cards are so, so cool. I want them all. I kind of hope they almost like overprint celebrations, just so I can like get it for myself. Yeah, because it'd be so fun to open them all and like like them by yourself over time. Well, thank goodness they're not like putting them in the happy meals or something. Yeah, no, no, tweets of a hundred happy meals. Yeah, that was a crazy week, wasn't it? That was an interesting week for sure. But hopefully, yeah, like you said, you know, hopefully the lines of manufacturing are maybe a little bit more restored from when they were, you know, kind of I hesitated to say when we were deep in the pandemic because, like, who knows what's on the horizon? I was just reading a stat today that fifty one percent of Americans think that the worst of the pandemic is yet to come. That's good, I mean, at least that's you know, I don't know if that's like to doom and gloom or like very, very realistic humor. Yeah, the other forty nine percent haven't gotten vaccinated, although I do. We're talking about break through cases, and sorry to like take this, you know, I don't know how whatever side you guys fall on, you know, of our listenership. I sorry to take this in this direction, but somebody that I know just like had the vaccine...

...and just got covid. So it's like it's starting to it's starting to hit a little too close right now. We've had, from my perspective, I've had like, Oh, you know, a friend of a friend you know has gotten covid or like a friend of a friend's grandmother like had covid and like passed away or whatever. You know what I mean. But it's never been like a friend of Mine and Oh, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, finally happening. Had covid last week actually, and they had the vaccine. Yeah, you go to a music festival, though, kind of rest of you were disasters. Well this, yeah, and this one went to Florida. So it's like okay, you know, go to the Hobbit Festival, was in Florida. Brother, so there you go. Yeah, maybe maybe they met each other down there. You know what, I wouldn't surprise me. Well, all this to say, you know, get your vaccinations and get you know, get vaxed up where your masks and, you know, hopefully then get real life events or turning back to us in a timely fashion. In the meantime now we still have evolving skies very eminently coming up and post rotation, as a consequence, is just around the corner. We talked to the other week about getting like to preemptive on on post rotation, but it is getting ever closer. So we thought we'd give some preliminary thoughts on, you know, what's standing out to us, maybe things that we kind of adjusted our stance on from previous discussions. GW Is there anything that initially jumped out at you? I have like a couple of ideas, but yeah, well, a lot of I mean a lot of what I know of post rotation is from tricky Jim's streams. So seeing the Ray quasa deck inaction has been really helpful for just kind of getting a feel on how that deck is going to, you know, actually look post rotation. I got to say I'm pleasantly surprised by it, just in the sense that it ran a lot more smoothly than I imagined. I don't know if you feel this way to or feel completely different, but I just felt like I was a little skeptical of the dynamoter, HMM, kind of strategy, right, because I've lived through that and I you know, I lived through Ray quasa x, right, the kind of original, the predecessor that this card's based on, and it it was good. I don't want to say it was bad, but there were definitely a lot of flaws, you know, right, if you didn't get out your electrics early enough or if your oponent was able to, you know, Guss them up and knock them out, like it just got really hard and so right. Similarly, you know, I was thinking, okay, well, it's probably going to be, you know, in the same vein as that, right, and you saw it kind of struggle against the rapid strike Ershifu, naturally, because sniping to Flaffy's on the bench is quite strong, it turns out, and then the deck just kind of folds, which was what, you know, I lived through again, or you have those, have those bench there's knocked out but it did hit for some nice numbers, like against the decks that just kind of Ram you know, Rammy, like the alchymy shadow rider for instance, and I imagine also into something like a turnitys where it's just kind of a one trick pony. You can actually get those one shots, whereas the other deck asked to to shot you in most cases. It's true. It's true. I kind of have mixed feelings about right quays a. It did run very smooth when Andrews playing it in terms of just like getting set up. Sometimes that when I'm looking at it, I am worried about like the duration of time it takes hm to get a one shot, because you you can't just fire...

...and then one shot usually, which is something that ray x had going for it. Right it was a lot easier to attach a fire and one shot, but three dynamoters doesn't really get you there. You need a fourth, which is really detrimental to the deck in my opinion. That said, I think you know, if you if you're able to hit DEX that kind of give you that one turn to just like charge, then you're usually in a good spot. So I would say overall, I have mixed feelings. I was very, very excited about Quaza when they initially announced it, and I don't know if it got all the way to like what I wanted it to be, but it did do well. Is kind of my thought, you know, like it's yeah, but maybe not as good as I wanted it to be. Well, and I wonder if, and we got kind of a sneak peek of this on the Stream. But I wonder if a heavier rose engine is the way to go, because think about it right, you can still discard your hand and I'm for that for you know, like we just just play for rows, like, you know, actually just go all in on the Rowse Strategy, because I think Andrew is playing somewhere between one and two, you know, just a lower count right, as you would kind of expect, and just to try out the card. But you know, if you think about the damage that you can do right. So you accelerate with rows, that's already a hundred six stee damage and then you just would need an attachment and one dynamoter. Right, all the while you're like discarding your hand to drawing more cards and you know, maybe you throw in a cricket tune there in the mix. Draw a few more, like there's just a lot of benefits, I think, to that rose. Yeah, that maybe need to be explored a little bit more and maybe could be, dare I say, leaned into a little bit more. Yeah, maybe you just play like a research rose, kind of supported a line and just knock that what's in front of you most. I mean that that really seems like how, you know, the Ray Quasa deck of the past was played. It just seems like, you know, now we're doing it all over again, just with I mean, this is like such a close parallel to that day. Yeah, really, exactly. And it's just kind of like a one, one trick pony, like you're just going all in on the one shots on these, you know, on these V maxes and and and you just don't really care about your end game. Yeah, for sure. SAR early and I will say historically I have in the v Max era, I've enjoyed those kind of DAX. It's not something I've necessarily enjoyed before, but I think one shottingv Max is is such a novelty I guess that it's more interesting to me. You know, I tried to make that work with single strike it didn't quite get all the way there to where it needed to be. Yeah, but maybe your Equaiza is the is the next iteration of that. Yeah, definitely, definitely. The cool thing about the Ray Quasa is that you don't have to discard all the energy, right, so, so, so I like that a lot because it lets you just like build up just like a massive ray quasa and just like devote way too many resources to it and then you know, you can just continually like, you know, adjust how many energy dis better situation, makes things better, and against like one prize decks some things like that, where you were trying to lead more into like trading, yeah, as opposed to just one shotting. So yeah, yeah, I mean I like the concept a lot, for sure. I think the one the one deck, and you mentioned this earlier, that just really stands out in this metagame is the rapid striker she food deck. It has the consistency of the rapid strike engine alongside and tally on, it has the or Sheif who's sniping, which is really unchecked in this format. So decks like the Quaza can really suffer in the face of a rapid flow. Yeah, on turned to right and just like obliterate your setup. You know, it's like not even there's like nothing you can really do to counter it. Yeah, you know, that's that's the scary part about it.

Yeah, so, I mean rapid strike seems really, really scary heading into this metagame. I mean, I'm sure you feel similarly. Do you have any ideas for how to counteract that at all? I don't. I think, you know, it just will depend on like whether or not you feel like the metagame is is good enough to play a little bit more of a setup based deck. Yeah, I don't know that there's necessarily a count her to rapid strike other than, you know, playing a psychic deck. So probably your Alchemy, right, shadow rider. So yeah, it would just kind of be a metagame thing right where it's like well, if there's a lot of psychic, than probably not a lot of people play Ershifu. So therefore I can play my you know, break Quasa Deck, for instance. Yeah, and I guess the other part that I was going to kind of expand on and tandem with that is shadow rider is definitely still good. It's definitely like still a top ish to here deck, but losing visiting a gang or maybe q feels really bad to yes, like, yeah, should missus free turns anymore. Yeah, I mean that's it makes it a lot more fair. I mean, yeah, I mean the meat the gang Ar Combo into just getting like three free abilities the next turn was ridiculous, right. I. Yeah, basically gives you you have three shadow riser shatter riders out gives you like six abilities for free. Yeah, right, right. The the way that I think the decks are going to look heading into the future is certainly more heavy on the alchemy line, but like potentially like significantly heavier, like a for two or three line, just so that you can guarantee that turn to attack on the Alchemy v Max to accelerate energy, because I don't think that going through the shadow riders is going to be particularly fruitful, just because, not that it's necessarily inconsistent, but either you're just like relying on a lot to like chain those together. So I would think that as we head into this new format that players will at least bump up their alchymy line, you know two, three, two, where it was, you know on one or two two in this current format, and then potentially go up to, you know, four, three, four, two. Probably not for for but you get the idea, just like posted alcas, that's an alchemy deck. Now, yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. But I would imagine something like that would happen just so that you're guaranteed to have more basics down so that your Alchymy v Max attack is more impactful, right, because you don't want to use that attack when you only have like, you know, three basics, right, that's just it kind of defeats the point of it. But but also just so that you're more able to get the v Max into the active and attacking when you need it to. Yeah, and actually just getting the basics down is pretty relevant. H Yeah, yeah, it is, when you're try sure us that the adornment attack. Yeah, it's very easy turn to not have a full bench and it and it's not going to happen a lot too, because you think about the format and how slow it's going to be. Like I think a lot of people aren't really realizing that we're losing the best draw card of the last two years, maybe even more than that. Yeah, I mean, you know, certainly sent Shaman right, and it's just like we're losing to Denne and that really speeds games up. Like I don't think we've quite grasped how quickly decks can maneuver with that the Dann a gx in there and losing that I think is going to be very, very interesting for a lot of players. Just like Oh, you know, we get more turns. There's a little bit more of an inconsistency on that first turn right where we're not seeing as many cards. I actually think going second is probably going to be the way to go. We've kind of supporters. Yeah, you know, we've kind of fallen...

...into going first with a lot of that. You know, you think like ATP like going first, like you just get almost an extra turn because that dedn a functions effectively as a supporter. But with Crow Bat it just doesn't have the same impact that the DNA does. And so I think we'll just see pretty much for every deck outside of maybe outside of maybe the Ershfu deck, the rapid strikers Foom, of just like Hey, I'm just going to go second so that I can get my supporter off. Yeah, and I think when you talk about Crow Bat, I think it's important to realize, like the context, that carbats coming into this as well. Like this is a format where there's a lot of cards that'll just be hanging in your hand, you know, right, a lot of even outside of the energy there just like pretty thick supporter lines because we don't have like B Sseeker or anything. There's evolving pokemon which will always fog up your hand and there's not a ton of fitting cards besides, like quick ball. Well, it's like not easy to you know, not crovadding for six turn one very often. Yes, no, for sure, for sure. So yeah, that kind of pace of format is going to be really interesting. We're like the best consistency card is an evolution. Right, we're going to see DRAS I'll be in pretty much everything and I think that's really exciting for the health of the game particularly. But I also wanted to say that I think another deck that could be good and I've wanted to say it's going to be good and it's always kind of been moddeled in that tier three area. But I think in Talian has a shot. I think that in telling talion the energy disruption is good. You know, you think about Ray Quasa like just being able to pick up energy. I think it has the space. If you wanted to use crushing hammers. Like crushing hammer seemed like a good card. Again, you have a lot of these decks that are really reliant on how much energy they have in play. Ray Quasa, shadow rider, you know, I guess it turn it is to an extent you can get those back with Multras, but you get the idea, like I think energy disruption is is going to be better now in the in the post rotation. So something like in telling and I think could do really well. Yeah, absolutely, I see the merits there and definitely pick up the telly online. Talk more about that after the card of the day. That's right. Well, today's card of the day. Speaking of Neo Genesis, I I have this card that it just to me. It embodies kind of like the second generation of Pokemon, in the way that chars aard embodies kind of that first generation of pokemon cards. And it's type Flosian from neogenesis, not Typlosian from Neogenesis, not an attacker at all, not even a support Pokemon at all. There was a Typhlosian at the time that had a relevant ability, but this one just a crappy card, but awesome but awesome artwork. Like it just looks very simple, very clean, very menacing. I just and it's very simple, you know, very much without frill in a lot of ways. Like charzard was right. It's just in an attacking pose. The Art looks great anyway. So yeah, this Tiplosan got a pokemon power and one attack. So fireboost says when you play typolotion from your hand you may flip a coin. So imagine playing a pokemon power that wasn't guaranteed or audibility to right on a stage two. So you know, again like not a playable card. But says if heads search your deck for up to for fire energy cards and attach them to tie Flosian, so that effect is pretty good. And if the poke of power didn't have a flip, which they were very prone to do back in the day, like I think they're up flips India, they were just really worried, I think, about things getting too overpowered, so they wanted to make sure that there were some kind of check on that. So, yeah,...

...just weird stuff on that pok of power. But you could search your deck for up to for energy, so you get to like just accelerate to it from the deck, which is cool when you evolve it and then the flame wheel attack, horrible attack, does eighty damage for for energy. Again, keep in mind this is stage too. And then your force to you don't even get to choose. Your forced to discard three fire energy cards in order to use the attack. So like you fight like, like I'm just imagining somebody playing the Typeloan and they're like, all right, I'm going to fire boost. Hope I hit heads, and then, like they head heads and they get the energy and then, like they attack one time with flame wheel and then they're like now what? And it is the fire boost is when it comes into player every turn. Yeah, no, it's when you play it. One shot, yeah, you, exactly, you don't Miss Your shot, and then you do like a twenty snipe to each bench with a flame whilknees. Look, comes in and one shots you. Yeah, for to energy. Right, exactly, exactly. Yes, Sneeze, look, can do what? Like, I guess, Sneeze, look, could do what potentially like one hundred and sixty four two, like double the damage, right, if you have for special dark and a full bench and you have your heads. Technically you want sixty four four, I guess, because you have one hundred sixty four four. Yeah, sure, should be a one hundred and forty four to with two yeahs. It's like that's not that's not a good value proposition on a basic that is weird. Tree, so ridiculous. But Anyway, tie Flosian from Neo Genesis Number Eighteen love ag that's awesome. That's awesome. It's funny because when you're describing the ability, I was planning on asking you like it. Do you think it would be playable if the ability wasn't a flip? But it sounds like no, yeah, no, no, not as a hurdle man. That's that's horrible. Yep. Well, there you go. Tie flosan is a huge fan favorite. Didn't make the transition at d very well, but yeah, for some reason it just it didn't really work. I don't know why. It is because they turned the fire off three D hmmm. Yes, true, yeah, he's not really flows anymore. He's just tie. I don't know, it's a long day, I can tell. So let's talk then, about post rotation a little bit more, namely what we're kind of looking at in terms of cards propositions for post rotation. So we talked a couple weeks ago about some staples to pick up. Obviously, like the Entili online was one of the first things that we called out, like get this for sure. You'll regret it if you don't, and so I if you have any more of those, I'd be curious to hear about them. But I think it might be nice to kind of just take a step back, look at a high level and talk about when you're looking at things in a post rotation. You're looking exploring a post rotation, either buying cards or building a deck one. Are the kinds of things that you look for, JW, in your experience? Sure. Well, I'm always looking for cards that can do something that I can't normally do generally generally. So, like a great example of that is, you know, the the the the shadow on it. Yeah, a great example of that is done. There's an't an Eve's wrong. Yeah, no, no, a great example of that is the shadow adder where...

...with the ability you get to attach energy. So you get to attach extra energy for turn and then you also do you know, you get to draw cards on an ability. Right. So, like that's just good. We all know that. That's kind of like impressed into our brains at this point. But then, like you know, you look at other cards that you know and some of these are the most obvious ones, right, like Pokemons, only giving us a handful of archetypes in any set. So like I'm going to say, like Oh, Ray quas is good because you can discard your hand and draw three and like Duh, write, like Duh, that's good to draw more cards like that's generally always going to be good. But you know, there also comes a point where it's like you had to decide on what you want to test, right. So, like I can tell you, like it's good, but like how do you prioritize? And I guess that's kind of where you split hairs with a new format, right, because you're wanting to put all your time and energy into testing a small handful of deck because you don't want to have to go through every single archetype to figure out what's the best one. Like that's just so tedious, so time consuming. Just nobody got time for that because, you know, there's not really a real event and people are playing with paper and it just it gets hard. Right. So how, I guess the question like I pose back to you is like how do you determine, you know, the wheat from the chaff, like how do you determine what's good versus what you should maybe put on the back burner for now when you're heading into a new format? Yeah, yeah, and we're actually talking about this over the course of the week, I think. I think one thing you have to keep in mind whenever you're building a pokemon deck is kind of like balancing your power and your consistency right, like there are there are cards that are very powerful but not super consistent, and there are cars that are very consistent but maybe not super powerful, and there are a bunch of cars that are in the middle of that spectrum. Whenever rotation happens, the cards that you should scoop up first always are the consistency cards. Those are the cars that spike up a ton. Those are the cars that will ultimately form the bones of whatever deck that you build. So thinking of if you for some reason don't have researchers or Marni's like, those are going to be the cores of your decks. If you don't have intellions or drizzles, those are going to be core components of many of the decks because they are just such fundamental consistency to what will make your deck actually work in practice, and what you typically will see in a post rotation format is because they are so narrow and scope. Having a consistent deck is just a valuable trait in of itself, because every deck will lose some of out of consistency, so being able to execute on your strategy reliably is a huge plus. So that's where I would start, as I would start with things that utilize things like drizzle on and telly on effectively, because those are really going to be the most consistent cards available to us. Now, if you're thinking about those cards, what kind of archetypes do they fit in the best? Well, naturally, you know for looking immediately at post rotation, they fit in with rapid strike the best because they can also search out rapid strike cards with the ability with the attack on the Sobbl so that leaves like the blaze Kin Zeroor dex and it leaves the rapid striker she food x. So those are literally the two archetypes I would start with before anything else, because they have a fundamental tie to the most cossistant archetypes in the metagame and they're already like proven, known quantities that you can quickly like ship off and take you like your existing frameworks and make work. After I go through like those decks, the next things I would look at is things that...

...maybe are a little less consistent but have a really high power ceiling. So in this format, I think that would be like a Riquaz of emacs would be the next thing I would look at. In previous formats you might have seen that manifest as like a has a rate mega requaza ex. You know, that's so true. Back in like two thousand eight hundred twelve twenty. What? Oh, you're saying ray quasi. Oh okay, sorry, I'm tucking there. Says that quasi. Yeah, I said Mega Ray quasi es. Oh, you said Mega Ray quasi, because that's the funny thing, right, because there's like mega quas x, there's quasi gx. weady like that has requaza in the name fits. They're both like auld nuts on the table, like all in turn, you know, one, two, three, like just dig through the entire deck and then, like I'm that thinking the whole time about y Quas X. with the electrics. It's kind of a weird combination of all of them, isn't it? It's bizarre yeah, right, it's a definitely has a as a mold that it's fit itself in. Yeah, it's been typecast, for sure, you know. But yeah, so, like those are the things that I usually tried. Next is because I they are fun to execute on and usually if you can find a way to make these high roller decks even like remotely consistent, yeah, they will thrive in a post rotation metagame because everything else is so much more inconsistent. A good historical example of that is actually quays a gx, when Andrew Mahone and JW and I played that at the Philadelphia regionals a couple of years ago. That truthfully was not the most consistent duck out there in the grand scheme of things, but we it would had a high power ceiling and we made it consistent enough where it could stay in the game versus a lot of the Meta. And so that's kind of where I would start, is I would start with the most consistent, proven archetypes and I would start with the maybe less consistent but high power level archetypes and kind of work your way out. Yeah, and then from there I would try like the more niche things that just generally interest me at like I have my pet deck. Every single set I have a had deck that I talked about, and so then I would like branch off into those things. I would recommend do think, a similar strategy. You know, the decks that you choose within there might be a little bit different, but kind of work off of that framework of starting with things that you know work and you know how they work and branching out from there. HMM HMM. Yeah, that's really great advice. I think going with what you know is going to save you some time, right because, like, okay, at least you have something in your back pocket. Right, if you're trying to prepare for an event and you're trying to make something new work without really testing what we already have, like, you might find yourself disappointed when you get to the event because you didn't have that solid foundation. So knowing what we've already had and knowing that intimately and being able to put that over into the new rotation is where I would start, like you said, just because then I have a basis for what I could expect, not only for my opponent but like also like a backup plan for, like if my new archetype goes horribly wrong and testing and I just can't quite make it work like I have something to fall back on. Yeah, that I feel good about. And this, honestly, is something that a lot of people fall into the trap of, not even just in rotation, like whenever a set comes out, is they'll immediately try and test like the new things against each other without making sure that, like, the proven arculd types are not still a relevant factor. There's plenty of historical examples of that.

You've even seen it just in formats in general, where like the new decks kind of dominate the early tournaments because that's what people put the time into, and then, like, a couple weeks later it just ends up being like, the old decks are still really good. Sure, who knew? Yeah, so, I guess another like tangential piece of advice I would give is, if you're testing a new thing, start against the stuff that you know works. Yes, true, true. Don't try and just test the new things against each other and pick the better of the two, because because they might just be significantly worse than what's already out there. I remember I did that one time with a big teeny x plasma or nose victenix, not a plasma, pokemon, I don't believe, and then art uno, articuno x plasma, and like a lugia plasma, and it was like the these, yeah, with a v piece, and I thought I was like hot stuff and I was like testing it against all my friends, like yeah, like you said, post rotation or you know whatever, new decks right with the new set, and then I bring it to league and everyone's playing the old stuff and I just get smacked. Oh Man, I thought I had this really cool archetype that I was working on and it just turns out it's it's actually garbage. That's sick. So if you'll have any thoughts, though, we'd love to hear them. It's always a little bit of a push and pull when trying to like experiment in these new formats. Please, please, please, do buy your and telly on sooner than later, because you're going to regret it if you don't. They've already started to spike in price pretty absurdly in my opinion. Really, what do you think they should be? I don't know what they should be, but it feels bad. By a drizzle for ten bucks or more. Oh, is that what they're at right now? That's what I was out when I was looking at the other day. Maybe that's not maybe that's okay, Suation, but okay, yeah, no, I saw five dollars. But yeah, I mean even like it's a that's just straight up like an uncommon that you get in like the evolution pack when, yeah, came out. True, true, yeah, you should not be spending that much. You know, like I still have I have my original pree rely stack from sword and shield still built and I just like to shuffle it sometimes and there's just like drizzles just in there from the evolution came well, I gotta say, Riley, I didn't take that advice. I still need to get my dressiles. Am I intellians maybe the first to say hoof, I know. Well, I have, like a lot of the other things, I splurged a little. Don't tell my wife. I bought the Rainbow Rear. The Rainbow rears foosh. You Bought Rainbow Ergi Foos, not the altar archie foods. And he bought it before you have any on them. Ha, ha, I'm crazy. I'm crazy. He's on head. Just Lady. Now, watch out, watch out, now, that's not the craziest thing I've ever done too well. I guess the message that I'm hearing, based on feedback, view and chat, is the drizzle isn't constant flux. So get them whatever you see them for a reasonable price. What would you say is reasonable? How would you I would say like five dollars or less. It is reasonable and okay for an oncommon. Okay, Gotcha. Feels really bad when it starts to get more than that. Yeah, for sure. I don't think we've seen an uncommon in recent memory. Get that, I I mean we have like Max Luxer is very expensive. Sure, maybe the trainers? Okay, okay, yeah, maxlixer was like nearing what ten? Ten or more? Yes, twelve was over...

...ten for a while. HMM, yeah, it happens occasionally. Crazy. Wanted to give you all preview, though, of what the next couple weeks you're looking like in terms of the tag team. So next week we will be doing a season highlight reel. Will be talking about some of the top moments for from the last year in the POKEMON trading card game. So be on the lookout for that. If you have any ideas, feel free to shoot us over at DM on twitter and we'll check that out. The week after that. So recording on the twenty five and released on the twenty six of August, will be doing a analysis of the post rotation metagame as well as the Jim Leader Challenge metagame headed into the full group double header. K. So if you are planning on heading to that event and need any last minute tips, tag team is the place to get them. You'll want to listen into that one. Or if you have any other post rotation events that are coming out that weekend's perfect place to come check them out. Yeah, then starting in September, sorready cut you off. Got Season Four. That's right, I can't believe it. Yeah, I've been going strong for a long time. So really excited to bring home the next season as well as just a new season of pokemon. Yeah. Any any teasers that we can give about the new season? Any teasers that we can give about the new season? No, no, yeah, yeah, we did say awesome twitter, follow us on twitter. We did say, remember Riley, that we were going to do some some merch we did. We do still want to do March. We do. Yes, you merge. Maybe we'll do like a couple of designs and have like a vote. That could be cool. Also say follow us on twitter? Yeah, absolutely, at TAG team pokemon. That's a tag team pokemon and if you want to check out our personal twitters, I'm at smiles riles and Mr Jw Crey Wall is at Real John Walter. If you ever want to check out the podcast recorded live every Wednesday, you can check it out at twitch DOTTV monner. Most weeks. JW also hosts the podcast on his channel occasionally and he does a lot of great content on his channel, so you want to check him out. That's a twitch dot TV flex daddy righteous, and make sure you're watching the flex daddy righteous youtube channel. Guys Jaw as content that you will not believe coming out all the time. He's doing some history of the POKEMON trading card game. It's been a joy to watch. Yeah, but new and next one. I'm hoping to get that one out by the end of the weekend, so it's going to be a good one. I have the script written up, but now it's just like recording it, editing and all that. Sas Man has scripts. It's Great Bar Huh. It is crazy. If you know me at all, it is crazy. So make sure you check out his stuff. Make sure you check out full group games for all your evolving skies needs and we will check you next time pace. See You.

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