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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 47 · 5 months ago

3-47. Rotation Oversaturation

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and ready to discuss the outcomes of Player's Cup IV... but wait... people are already playing post rotation??! And they're sick of it?!

Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team, to Pokemon Trading Card Games for your podcastingto Oh, my name is Riley Hobart. Joined, as always, buy mygood, good friend Mr JW curryall, JW, how's IT hanging to day? Hey, it's pretty good, Riley. I just got out ofa Highland Civic Association meeting. A Highland Civic Association meeting. Yeah, sohighland is the area that I live in my wife. My wife is like, Hey, we should join the you know board, the Community Board essentially. So yeah, we're well, we're not on the board, but we'reare part of, you know, the association, as it were. Soright. They were talking about there's a one guy. He is very he'sthe president, we think. We don't really know, but we think he'sa president. But he's very like in your face about stuff and I'm like, I'm like, dude, it's you know, you're talking about putting anextra like compost been in the garden. It's like, I feel like,feel like it's notorious that people in those positions that have that kind of attitude. Yeah, I really want to know what he does and I actually gotan email because we are going to meet up with one of the kind ofyounger guys that's on the board and that's really involved in the association. We'regoing to meet up with them just to like chat and like Hey, welcometo the neighborhood, that kind of thing. And he actually messaged us. He'slike it's not normally like this, like tonight was crazy, you know, like a little on edge, you know, and we're like Oh,okay, interesting, yeah, that come postman. It was just very funnybecause and there were a few other things that were like maybe a little bitmore serious, but it is like there was one time somebody brought up justsomething completely random there, oh, I remember. So they're like hey,what do you think if, you know, instead of having these videos on zoom, we met in somebody's backyard and you know, like for the firsttime in a year and a half, like and just, you know,met in person. And then this guy just like goes into this rant abouthow there's so much garbage on the streets and how it's every person's job topick up and, you know, how the city needs to be have pressureput on them to and we're like where did that come from? It's pretascinated. How how are you? I'm doing well. I actually I was alittle bit scared. I thought I had covid the other day and the reasonis epic has returned to the office, as I mentioned the other week,and so you know, I've been started to meet with some people in personand right one of the people are they work with what to music festival andended up catching getting covid and they ran for the office for a a coupledays before for I guess they realized or got tested or certain symptoms or anything. So I was like kind of feeling a little ill, like not notsick, but not great. So I'm like, okay, I'm just goingto work from home for a day when we use my one day a week, and I'm going to get tested. You got tested. It came backnegative, so I guess it's fine. And what I think I'm actually learning, and this is like a legitimate things, like I'm allergic to something on thecampus at work. So I don't know what it is. I thinkit's like the grass, to be honest, outside of my bed's sope. Yeah, like I'm like fiercely allergic to it, and so I get Ifeel like I'm sick whenever at work. I'm literally home man of working.I'm allergic to working. That's so funny. Yeah, so, and it consistentlyhappens, because I came to the office like one time, or acouple times, I guess, last year during Covid and I always would feelkind of sick when I came to the...

...office and I thought it was likebe getting sick, but I think it's just allergies. Yeah, and Idon't really prior to moving here I never dealt with allergies at all, soI was kind of unfamiliar with the feelings. Yeah, so it's just a wildride, man. I feel bad for you. I'm glad you don'thave covid, though I'm glad too. I gotta say, how nervous areyou? We've Seen Delta Species POKEMON and now we're getting a Delta plus variantof Covid. How like, and this is not medical advice for anyone listening, but like, how worried are you about the Delta variant kind of puttingus back you know where we started in March? Yeah, it's tough tosay. You W released of paper recently. is saying that with the Delta variantthat even vaccinated people carry a similar amount of, I think like viralmatter is how it was described. So basically, like they're comparably infectious,even if they're like not necessarily getting covid so it's tough. I mean Ithink people that are, you know, for turning office and stuff like thatmight need to rethink what that landscape looks like. Yeah, I think pokemonmight have to reevaluate their situation. I don't know if Delta is necessarily thebiggest threat to people who are vaccinated at least ninety nine percent of the time. I think the rate at which we're seeing new mutations come up, though, is kind of alarming. Yeah, so there's yeah, because I'm notthat are also coming right right because, yeah, I mean you're not adocted by any means, and I guess I'm friends with doctors, but likeyou probably have your ear to the ground a little bit more than I do. So just curious about, you know, of the feeling around the workplace aboutthat. Yeah, they'll situation. I mean there's definitely anxiety around likebeing in the office and traveling and like maybe we should rethink some of this. It's definitely like a sentiment shared. Yeah, yeah, so tall situation, but at least I don't have covid. Thank goodness, man, thank goodness. Would love to go through a pandemic without getting the disease. Thatwould be a win for me. I think that would be a huge dubfor sure. So we'll keep on trucking, and so too will the pokemon verse. Before we get into anything else, JW, I would need to getyour thoughts on the newest and greatest entry into the pokemon franchise, andthat is Pokemon unit. Two huge thumbs up. Two huge thumbs up.That's awesome. It's I actually really enjoy these kinds of team based video games, and pokemon unite has been something that I like desperately wanted out of league. Okay, so, like League for me was fun to an extent,because I can never really grind it to be like helpful for my team,right, like I'd always just I like I'd play so that we could havefive or whatever in a squad and and so that we could all like hangout, and that's why I would play it, and I would never reallydo that. Well, like, no matter what position I played, whereI was like I'd always get, you know, a kill or two andthat would be like a good game. Yeah, but the problem was likeit just would take forever, right, because I knew early on, likeokay, I'm going to get, you know, the other people are goingto get the creep, like I'm not going to last hit the creep toget the extra money. You know, all this stuff where it's like Iknow the margins where I'm not going to succeed and I'm like not going tohit my skill shots and things like that, as like I know where I'm notgoing to win against another player, but I can't really devote the timeto like getting better at it. So that's where I feel like pokemon nightcomes in. We're not only you know,...

...there's less to think about, right. There's like a little more auto targeting. You know, there's Ifeel like the you know, it's kind of watered down in a sense interms of like the technical aspect, and then it's also water down in termsof the time aspect. Like I just love that it's ten minutes a game. You just roll up, roll out. If you you know your team sucks, like it's fine, you move on. You know it's not likeyour stuff there for forty five minutes, trying to figure it out and justeventually losing, even though you knew you would lose early because you're bad right. So now I love it. I totally agree. I think the themobis genre. It was an interesting one to enter, to be honest.It felt like like the time of the great rain of Moba's is maybe passed. But I agree that I like how it's short and focused and it's verylike team play oriented as opposed to the micro play. So less worrying aboutlike the exact mechanics of last hitting a creep and more worried about like howyou're generally positioning with your team and like what objectives that you're focusing on atthe time. Yeah, so I agree. It's really cool. The the onething that kind of bothered me about the early stages of the game wasZactos felt like a little too strong. I think, well, I thinkthat's the game. Everyone to adjust though. Yeah, as well. Yeah,I think it's coming maybe less of a problem as people start to evolvetheir understanding of the game. So it's cool. I liked it. Iactually watched Rahool's stream the other day when he was playing in that tournament aswell, just a sense of like what the competitive people are playing. Andfor context, I've only played like a handful of games, so I wouldnot canenter that tournament on my own right chum not ready yet. And itwas cool. It was really interesting to see like the team play and thefocus on like the dread knob the early game and the road on the Midgame, and it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think that it'sit's fun without being too much. There's like more to learn, asI'll always, you know, continually being and like I only really made Pikachuwish. I don't know, maybe that's a you know, maybe I'm anew for that, but I found it fun. I've grounded, you know, a fair number of games. I really like playing with five people.That's like so fun. Yeah, and I think right now I'm in likemaster three or wow, x x. wait, expert three. What's thelike that, midtier? Anyway, I think it's expert. Okay, expert, yeah, expert three. So I feel it pretty proud. I justI gotta say, there you go. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah,it's really fun. So you're you're big Pikachu made then, yeah, Ilove Pikachu. I love yeah, I like the little paralyzed shot and thenI got big, the big spark ball thing, and yeah, very satisfied. Yes, I think it's fun and it's like if it just calls tome, you know, there's just something about it. If thank I've beentrying to play for me. Yeah, I played a lot of Hiku Chuand it's so frustrating because Peakachi has like no way to get out of asituation where someone's like jumping on top of him. It's pretty tough. LikeI find that it's HP maybe needs a little bit of a buff because Ijust get kind of hosed by like zero orro's like extreme wordy troy speech.Yeah, yeah, and it's like not even close and there's like nothing Ican really do. So yeah, I feel like it does need a buff. It's kind of one of the weaker characters, but even so it cancompete and I find myself just like relying on kind of the strength of myteammates and just like positioning wise right, like if you had Pikachu snore lax, like we're going to town people, right, you know, but ifit's like me alone, I'm never going to get there. So for surethat totally makes sense and I agree. I enjoy PIKACHU A lot. Onlyplayed a handful of I haven't played everyone...

...in the cast, but yeah,I tried out. Like Pikachu is really fun. I've tried sind race.Of Tried, obviously, like Tarzar's part, the satorial even there. Oro isfree. They're all kind of fun in their own their own way.Yeah, being so straightforward kind of lends itself to be able to experiment withall the different characters and not feeling like too bad about it. Yeah,for sure, somebody you know, if you're listening to the cast and you'realso a Pikachu Maine, send me a DM on twitter, because I justneed some I need some you know, hype, like just say hey,you're not a you're not a scrub for choosing Pikachu, and there's more ofus out there. And one thing I also want to comment on is Iappreciate like how quickly they jumped on like trying to rebalance the game and theyadded spectator mode after only like a week. Yeah, so very, very cool. I'm excited to see like what more we can do with it.Actually crazy, actually crazy how quickly they got, you know, got onboard with all this stuff. I, you know, was noticing from friendsthey were a little upset that, oh, Zapp those didn't get kind of nervedright. But I think, you know, it's a little too early, yeah, for that. I feel like that's like a core mechanic,whereas kind of the the attacks of each pokemon our kind of secondary mechanics.But likeauseap those being acre mechanic, I feel like you don't need to necessarilymaybe need to know more scrutiny. Yeah, just like just give it another littlebit and I think some strategy, like like the strategy isn't quite thereyet for people in terms of how to play around, you know, losingzap those or what do you do if you lose AP those? Yeah,I agree. Anyway, I agree. So really enjoying the game. Iappreciate their responsiveness and I'm looking forward to seeing some of the new pokemon getadded to well, we'll have the squat up sometime for sure. You're probablybetter than you right now. Let's go. I'll need to practice a little bitfirst. That'll be a first. So, Pokmon, you night definitelytry it out. If you have a switch and you haven't give it ashot yet, only ten minute games, I mean can't hurt to try one. Yep, absolutely, I think you might get hooked. So let's talkthen about another big going on in the pokey verse, and that's players.Cut for is concluded. So Alex Shamansky taking it home with his rapid strikeor she fu with the Itali online deck, something that really hasn't seen a tonof playing these online events, but Alex really just own it up onthe event and and run in train with it. And I got to sayone thing that's really impressed me about the Players Cup is these like big nametop level players are consistently like winning and topping. These players cops. Sojust goes to show like the people who are like, the people who arelike the champions, didn't just fall off or anything. I remember that beinga part of the discourse early on in the online scene. Is Like,oh, we're not seeing these same people topping anymore, like they're all cheatersand they can't cheat as well in line. Yeah, if you remember that phase? Yeah, for sure, for sure, and I think it's moreso they just not devoting as much energy to these events than when they do, they're still coming out strong. Well, it's just so hard, right,there's an event every week and you really don't see that many players,you know, playing these events right, like it's it's crazy to even thinkthat, you know, a lot of players would just weekly or even monthly, arguably, like play in these events, just when they don't really have thatmuch of a return on investment, right, you know, in thegrand scheme of things, like, okay, you can probably figure you walk up, you know, you or I could roll up to any tournament maybeget like what, top sixty four, top thirty two, like probably,you know, I would bet on myself...

...to get top sixty four at anytournament, you know, so higher before, right people. Well, there yougo, exactly, especially, you know, in get into the prizing, right, and then that's side. Okay, well, you got,you got top thirty two and like here's your two packs of chilling Ryan.It's like, well, I spent, you know, eight hours on myWednesday night, you know, playing our tournament night. You know. Soit's tough. It's tough, but I think that's certainly why you know,bringing it up, like Oh, where did all the all the players gowell. I think a lot of the higher end players like that were earningmoney in the game actually playing, you know, physical cards. Are Lookingat the online scene and just going that's really not what I'm accustomed to playingfor, you know. So then we see players cups where there's something onthe line, right, there's like a monetary valuable prize, and then it'slike okay, you know, great players are topping, great players are makingthe second phase and, you know, really great players are winning pretty muchcrossboard. So that's that's really cool. Yeah, so let's talk then aboutkind of the landscape that led Alex to his big win. I mean itgoes without saying by far the biggest deck in this event was shadow rider.I think there were five different players out of the sixteen who rolled up withshadow rider, so that's a pretty substantial metaphresens. It's pretty rare to seedecks get that large a portion of the metagame and really a lot of themat up was shaped around either playing or trying to beat shadow rider. Sothe next biggest deck, if I'm not mistaken, is actually with two players, the ATP Multus Deck, right very targeted at trying to beat shadow riderand then we had other decks like pager showed up with the rapid strike Multrisdeck. You have the spear tomb deck that got second place, you havemultiple dark box decks. Yeah, so just huge, huge grip on themetagame. Was Shadow rider, which shouldn't be surprising. Yeah, especially inthat kind of a blind metagame, right, because these players right necessarily know whatthe metagame was going to be. I don't even know that there weremaybe tournaments in the new format before they had to make a dex selection.So, you know, because we just have to keep in mind that thiswas, you know, they played their match was like what two weeks agoor something like that, and then they get edited and rebroadcast, you know, weeks later. So just keeping that in mind. Like they don't havekind of a more developed sense of even how to play these decks, right, because a lot of I feel, well, and that's not a digthat I know. I'm like, there's a there's a different style. LikeI think, you know, people now or maybe a little bit more inclinedto play a highercount of Alchemy and certainly throughout Players Cup, we were seeingwith the shadow rider lists, like, you know, maybe a one oneor not, even including alchemy. And so you're going to, I'm sly, take a much harsher matchup against the the dark decks. And Yeah,and there were, you know, five shadow unders and six decks that hadsome kind of dark attackers. So really incredible. They're really incredible. Yeah, crazy stuff to be honest. But then you have Alex coming in withhis psychic week deck and ended up taking it home and I think really thebiggest push factor in my mind is he had such a good matchup. Geta passable matchup. At least he could try and make a passle match upwith the GERACI Gax in a shadow you're still not great, but he hada great matchup against all of these dark decks a like the fighting type.Weakness is powerful, but be like things like the Multraus deck, eighty FNmoultras is not have like a great immediate...

...answer to an Ershi foo slapping themin the face on turn to right. So at being able to chain acouple of those off, knock out the ATP, you know, maybe snipea Dedenne. You know, that adds up really fast. Yeah, yeah, it was really ingenious how Alex built his deck. I just want tohone in on the to karate belt, which I know nobody had really thoughtof, and it's like it's definitely the kind of twist, and I saytwist in a very, you know, loose way, because you're just kindof adding an additional card, or maybe two additional cards you didn't have,but it really gives the deck a new dimension and it allows you to havethose games against shadow rider that you otherwise would struggle with, but now youcan, you know, if you can get three snipes off, which isnot crazy to think about, right, because if you just think about theprize trade, if you have the GERACI down, then they're generally generally andthey can, but they're generally not one shotting the Ershfu Vmax so they'll probablyat the target down the GERANCI first, but then you can just attack withtwo Ershufu vmacs in a row and then if you can get three snipes offright, doing a hundred twenty two, two different v Max's on their sideof the field three times right, then you win. Right. So likeit just makes sense and like that second karate belt is just so necessary toeven like keep yourself in the game. And those situations and like it's justso genius and I can't believe nobody else, or maybe other people thought about it, but I can't believe it hasn't like gained more popularity now just because, yeah, it's a brilliant little deck building decision that that certainly should beshould be mentioned and it's worth calling out as well. Like the karate beltstrategy maybe wasn't as good in previous formats, but now that you have like thedrizzle and tally on engine to very selectively pick that karate belt out ofyour deck, I mean so good, so good, and we also gota shout out. We're talking about this before the cast as well. Thefinals matchup is just burtle, like having the triple sniping and telly on,yeah, against the the sphere tune deck. Any what do you even do atthat point? It's it's disgusting. It's disgusting, and I mean youthink about like metagaming right for the event in like if you take a passablematchup to the deck that you think most people will play, which you knowwas that shadow rider, and then you can beat a lot of like thecounters to that big deck. Like you're probably going to do okay at worstand really well at best. And so you know, we certainly Sawt Ihere, and just props to Alex for for coming up with a, youknow at least a spin on a, you know, highly played deck andand coming away with the win. Absolutely, absolutely, just really solid, nota game gaming all around. There any other like interesting things that youwant to call out? I mean how piss played the the excradrill deck,which was cool. Yeah, yeah, that is really cool, I think, because I believe they played us stall variation and maybe it was x controlas well throughout the the Quali qualifying and day and day too, and itjust like it kind of goes to show like the the level of, youknow, how good a control deck can be, like the later on yougo right, it just gets harder and harder to win because the competition getsbetter and better. And so, you know, ex coul drill control,like it's just there's definitely kind of a graph right of like the expected successfor a deck like this, where it's like well, the later on youget into tournament, there's just going to be players that know how to playagainst it. And that's not to say that they played poorly or that's noteven to say that the other players necessarily played well, but it just sayslike, well, didn't quite come out here on top. And I don'tremember the last time that we've seen,...

...you know, a control variant doparticularly well. I'm probably going to eat my words when you say one.And didn't sent Sander win a big tournament with control? Was that this format? In this format? I don't know, but he hed. Yeah, Iguess could control tournament. He must have. Yeah, he must have, or at least like finals or something. Yeah, he must have recently.That's true. Yeah, I mean, I I don't know, I remembersomething. I don't remember the exact details, though. Yeah, yeah, well, anyway, not there getting too old. That's very cool.Yes, of course, to see, you know, to see the xcondrill deck and to see control. I always think control is existing, atleast in two small numbers, at least at being a viable deck, ifnot being like a hopefully not a tier one deck. I don't love playingagainst control, but at least as existence is, is is a good sign, in my eyes, of a generally healthy metagame. I liked Pedros deck. If we want to talk a little bit more about Rabbit Strike Ershiafu.I've never been the hugest fan of Sinchino, but Pedros played this deck for along time done, you know, pretty well with it and then gettingthe new wrinkle of the Galerian moletrace to give him some semblance of a chanceagainst the you know, dark week decks in the field. I thought thatwas kind of cute. What I was surprised to see I was watching himon stream because he was featured a couple of times in in that opening session, and I was really surprised to see that he didn't play any energy switch, yeah, which I was like really confused about. I was like becauseI first saw him play the Glarian multress down and then audoship for that purpose. Yeah, and I was like, Oh, okay, that's kind ofcute, like he can go energy switch and then, you know, hecan do rabbit strikes over and over again, right, but no, no energyswitch, Glari and multress literally on its own, just the you knowkind of counter callie rex attacker. Yeah, yeah, so very interesting. Alsonotable. We had very nice showings from the United States for players inthe top four, but really great showing from Brazil, three players in thetop eight, four players in the top four is not correct. For theUnited Sto, did I say? For four players in the top six team, my, my, well, that's I think there's only sixteen people,right. Yeah, yeah, so there are four players in the top sixteen. That's true for every reason, though, isn't it? Now for American players, well, every region has four players. Yeah, I don't knowwhat you mean. Okay, all right. Well, I instead of Canada,yes, instead of Canada, Mexico. That's what I mean this. Butwe did it. I mean we did have I mean through the topeight. That right, has so like. Yeah, there you go. Also, three Brazilians in the DABATES O. congratulations to Bruno Jao and Dalton aswell. There we go, we got there. Yeah, so everycool stuff all around. It's always fun to watch these really elite players playagainst each other. Yeah, for sure, we are getting speaking of elite playersplaying against each other, we should be hearing tomorrow and throughout the weekthe players that they're bringing on board for this kind of twenty five anniversary pokemonbattle. Do you know too much about this? Yeah, in fact,I'm happy to announce that I am all twenty five players. That's crazy onVGC as well. I'm every single one of them. Yep, that's amazing. Wow, who would have thought? Is kind of a twist. Youknow, I thought I'd say it here...

...first on the podcast. Oh,I think our viewers are just as surprised as I am. Yeah, Iknow, I did see the the announcment for it's cool. It's cool.I'm I'm excited to see what that fans out to be. Yeah, absolutelyso. I did want to talk about car of the day today. Let'sdo it, and car of the day, as always, is one near anddear to my heart. It is from the lost thunder set. Ithas an exceptionally long neck and it's grass tight. Lost Thunder, long neck, grass, time long. That kind of got me because I was like, oh, jump off right, that's head. That is a good grasstype from lost thunder. That it's also near and dear. No long neck, and that was like. When you said long neck, I was likedraft Rigg, but I don't think that has a pokemon and I bet there'ssomebody out there screechure is a lost under draft Rigg, to be fair,but it's not a girl that's true. It's psychotype. Yeah, exactly,it psychic time. Um, yeah, what got it is the lowland executorfrom a lost thunder, and let me talk about why that card is sonear to my heart. So lowland executor from lost thunder has the tronical shakeattack. It does twenty damage and twenty more, I believe, for eachenergy. You just car pile up to five. So does a hundred twentydamage for one grass energy. So good, so good. It has a lotof hit points and so it can tank a riotus beating from a Zarkand you know, to hit Kao it back. So you got a littleto hit Ko situation going on, but with the one prize pokemon and it'sjust is really cool deck. So as lost thunder was coming out, Iwas prepping for the international championship that was in South Pawo that year and thatwas actually one of the top decks on my radar for a while. wasplaying to all one prize, a low and executor deck. So I triedit out pretty extensively and didn't really pan out, but it was a lotof fun. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, try, yeah, and you know, maybe one day. Yeah, absolutely nicely. It was. For a while it was one of my top decks and eventually,if you don't know the history, I settled on at controls arc deck anda lot of people did play the little executor deck, though. At thatinternational championship Tran in my is arc deck I included the Giraffe Rick that you'realluded to earlierlet's go. It's so whenever I would play against the eload executors, they would, you know, mill their energy with the shuckle and I'mjust come in with the giraffe Rigg and remove it from the discard pile,put in the laws zone and they couldn't attack anymore. So that's dope.So good times, a lot of lives ruined. Yes, that's what it'sall about. Absolutely so. I still really enjoy that card, though,and the the theme deck for the eload executor was when them decks started toactually get good. Yeah, it's now been severely outclassed and now them decksare like not a thing, but I've a lot of fond memories of playingthat theme deck and themed Deck Games. That's awesome. Sophocles for to energyin the discard. Can't beat that.

That's awesome. Did you know sophoclesis like something else I learned on the Basili on the trip to Brazil.His name in Portuguese is Chris. No Way, oh my gosh, justChris. I feel like I saw that the other day. I don't knowwhat Googe it was translated into, but I you know the Marni Promos,Uh Huh, that are coming out, and I saw one. It waslike called marry. I was like, Oh what. Yeah, it justcracks me up. On they have like a very normal name. Well andlike you know, if you want to look up one that'll make you roll, ace trainer in German. I BELIEVE ASS trainer is a peg podcast.Apologize, that's funny. It's riot. So that's fun and it actually wantto briefly correct the long executor came out and forbidden light, but the chucklecame out and lost under to build the energy. That's what it was.M Yeah, so brief correction. I think you want to typen the chatwith that, though. Let's head into the second half of the cast andtalk a little bit about the current landscape we have in the POKEMON treating cardgame. GW. You want to give us a little background on what we'retalking about here. Well, we were discussing before the cast are like,man, it's kind of crazy that you know that there's a lot of discussionpost rotation, but but that's not particularly is it? Because we are gettingthat new format in, you know, in a month, and it's it'smaybe time. There's not really that many big tournaments, or maybe not.There's big tournaments, but maybe not like particularly impactful tournaments. I'll say likeimportant turners right, like the formats on the dying and of its light.So we were just talking about like, man, people are looking ahead sofar that they're already getting burnt out on a post rotation and that's like theopposite of what should be happening right like people should be like looking forward topost rotation, as being like, Oh man, I can't wait to playwith these new cards and I can't wait to see what, you know,how these decks interact and can't wait to try this thing out or can't waitfor this to be gone. But they're getting into the new format and nowpeople are like, this format sucks. That's so that's so accurate. Iremember I was scrolling through twitter one day and I saw like that people werestarting to make videos about post rotation. This seems like little early. Youknow, we're still this is like very shortly after chilling rain came out,and I'm like now, you know, like chilling rain just came out,like she would really be already focusing on post rotation. And then literally thenext day I open up twitter again and people are talking about how bad theythink the post rotation format is, and I'm like, Whoa, let's slowdown. Chilling rain just came out last week. Look, yeah, maybeplay these cards first. And it just always baffles my mind. And thisthis, I think, especially goes for rotation, but it's an exclusive toit where I feel like people are so laser focused on like the next thingand it's kind of frustrating in a way, like, you know, we haveall these cool things left to do, you know. Yeah, right,right. So it always kind of just grinds my gears. I guesslike if you spend all of your time just thinking about the next format repeatedly, you'll never enjoy the one year it. I mean it's kind of like it'skind of like life in a way. Yeah, exactly. Know, ifyou're always if you're always looking ahead,...

...you can never really be in themoment exactly. You gotta live in the moment, Dude. We gottalive in the moment. I mean, there's good things about looking ahead.Like this is not the say. I feel like this cast we maybe havebeen like kind of like hey, I don't know. I felt like whenI was speaking about the online tournament scene, I was like kind of hating onit. But no, that's not you know, there's a time ina place for it. You know, like online tournaments are very much avalid way to play the game. They're they just maybe, you know,they don't pay. You know, saying, okay, so that's okay. I'mgonna correct myself on that just a little annotated. Just stop going backto that Hezy mom money. But then you yeah, I mean I feellike, you know, now we're like people are like already hating on postrotation, but just like yeah, just just slow down, enjoy what wehave. I can't. I can't believe that people are already like yeah,I've seen multiple comments on twitter like I'm burnt out on poster or like postrotation sucks or all the decks suck and poster like I've seen that over andover and I'm like, man, maybe maybe it's just people not actually sayinghow they really feel, because it's twitter rights. You don't have like,you know, the facial expressions to tell if that's just a joke or not. But I feel like the fact that I've seen it for from like halfa dozen people kind of gives me the impression that there's a large subject subsetof people out there that are that are already bored of post rotation right,and I feel like we're, relatively speaking, like chilling rain isn't that old either. Like yeah, you know, maybe it wasn't your favorite format,but like its for got time left in it. I don't know, Ifeel like, especially in prior years, I suppose. I think it wasa little bit easier to justify kind of like the post rotation hustle in away, because usually the last event would be worlds, and then world startedbeing on rotation format as well, so that people right started being less applicable. But like in prior years it would be like the last thing, oreven like even when world's did become like post rotation, it made more senselike focus on that right away. I after nationals. But now it's likewe have this whole space of online events which could still theoretically subsist on chillingrain or, you know, pre rotation format. So it seems a littlebit like we're jumping the gun here, because that same immediacy of, likethe next event I'm going to play in will be post rotation, isn't necessarilythere anymore, at least if you're actively playing the game. You know whatI'm said? Right, right, yeah, I get you. I feel that. So like I could understand it more in prior years when like thenext regional that you would go to would be post rotation for sure, andhe had to get that jump right. You had to get you had tobe ahead of everybody right, you had to be kind of like add tobe the one two steps that. I yeah, exactly, you had to. You had to know what people were going to play and then he hadto play something that beat what people were going to play. Yes, Ireally I do understand that in prior years, when you have worlds, when youhad your next regional that you were prepping for it. I understand itless now when, like like said, there's an event all the time.You know, there's a yeah, all this crazy stuff that you can doany given day of the week. So, you know, if you're going tobe playing pokemon anyway, why not play it for some packs or something? I don't know. Yeah, right, right, yeah, I hear.Yeah, exactly exactly. I'm it's cool. You know, post rotation, looking forward to it, as I always do. There's something fresh andand certainly about like a new season, right, because there's something even youknow, it's just different than a new set release. Right, new setrelease we might get a new archetype or two, you know, really maketheir mark on the format. But post rotation, when we lose a handfulof sets or a block of sets,...

...and that's exciting because that that justobliterates what we thought we knew and introduces, you know, new things and there'sso much room for innovation and doing something unique and finding out something cooland creating something beautiful, so beautiful, and honestly, I'm I'm excited aboutlike kind of what we're laying the framework for. We're seeing some of thesecards revealed or released and it seems kind of like the defining thing for thenext year is going to be battle styles, right, like the continuation of rapidand single strike, as well as like diffusion strike that they're they're startingto release. So I'm I really have enjoyed those. I've, you know, I said that quite a few times on the cast that I like thedirection that battle styles goes, because they're kind of like these pre built thingsthat have like a highly reus energy but don't feel like oppressively like, youknow, built for you Tom so I'm excited for that. And don't getme wrong, right am excited for like rotation in a mix up to thegame. It's just I just hate to see people jump the gun so muchand be feels like they're all four months ahead of me. I'm not thattype that. Yeah, the funniest thing is like the people that are thatare always like actually two sets ahead, because at this point we're starting toget the next evolving skies. Right, we have evolving skies, we haveall the evolutions, we got the Ray Quasa, like those are things thatpeople are actively looking at and trying out. But then we also have, yeah, like you said, there's another set that's that's being released. Peoplelooking to Japan and people are looking at that and going like oh my gosh, can you believe this card is getting released? That makes my deck andPost roundation completely obsolete, and we're like what do you do? I thinkyou'll find if you play the game for long enough, like the competitive playerson the whole don't really do that. which would you say that that's true? I think so. I think so. Like they may look ahead, sure, one format, but but I would say even like, even thenthey're they're largely not looking ahead and they're definitely not looking too I would say, like's ahead. The very best deck builders in the game are usually justlooking at their next event, right, and if that is in the nextformat or in this format, that's the thing that they're looking at. SoI guess maybe to posit that, like, if you are not going to beplaying until post rotation, by all means like test that out. Ifyou got some chilling ran stuff coming up, why not just try and perfect that? You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. It iskind of interesting, though, because you know, the factor in alittle bit of this online format that if we ever get back to competitive play, you know in the near future, like I do, think will continueand we'll continue to be strong, but you know, when we've talked aboutthis on the cast before as well. It's just like we we get so, you know, kind of accelerated in our format as well, like they'rejust so many tournaments so quickly and like lists are kind of being deemed optimaland deemed at least, you know, better versions seem to emerge, yeah, from the player base, and that's that's also something I think. Imean, we've talked about this at length before, but just another thing thatkind of contributes to that feeling of, Oh, I need to look aheadbecause I need to freshen up, because the best deck has already been determined, you know, a week or two ago. And Yeah, just feelskind of like why am I doing this? In a way. Yeah, Ican understand the sentiment for sure,...

...and I guess really the most importantthing is, no matter how you choose to play Pokemon, that you doin a way that's fun. So if you feel yourself like the funds gettingsucked out of it because you're so laser focused in on on anything, maybetake a step back and and try and like recenter on why you're playing inthe first place. It's because you enjoy it. Yeah, I think we'realways going to preach that. You know, that kind of positive aspect of thegame is like, you know, you can grind and you can kindof, you know, kill yourself in essence to to get better at thegame, but at the end of the day, if you're not enjoying whatyou're doing, then maybe it's it wasn't that worth it to do it.You know, I guess my cats agree. There was some there's some noise goingon over there, some vigorous some vigorous battles being waged. There yougo. You might need to attend to that. I think they'll be fine, but I can't guarantee it. So you know, overall, you know, try and keep your heads up, have fun out there, enjoy thePOKEMON trading card game and if you're interested, I recommend checking out the information aboutthe the full grip tournament for post rotation. Yes, absolutely, let'slet's talk a little bit more about that, Riley. Yeah, so, ifyou're unaware, the full grip is full grip is doing a double headerpost rotation tournament in two weekends from now. Is that that the right dates?Yeah, so it's going to be the twenty eighth and twenty, nine, three, Gosh, except weekends. Yeah, so right after rotation,basically you'll be able to jump right in with your premo decks. We saythis after kind of ranting about cropping ahead of time. But it'll be alot of fun. You'll see some of your big favorite names out there,like Mr Jw creewall and perhaps me, still figuring out kind of logistically ifI can make that work. And overall, like any support that you showed,a full grip is supporting the cast and supporting our friends. Absolutely.Yeah, I can't recommend it enough. Hopefully I will attend again. Youknow, things kind of seem like they're in flux all of a sudden,after being, you know, pretty stable there for what seemed like, youknow, at least a month, right, it's like, okay, we're ontrack, right, we're on track, and now with just new and excitingviruses that seemed to just be, you know, shifting and changing.Things are. Escape has ever changing. Landscape is ever changing. So noguarantees on that, but at least for now I'm scheduled to be there.So can't wait to see you. Guys. If you are a fan of thecast, please make sure to say hello and yeah, look forward topossibly meeting up with you guys and playing some poke irl, some poke irlwith that. If you want to check us out on social media, twitter'sthe best place to find us. That's at smiles with riles for myself,at Real John Walter, for Mr JW and at tag team Pokemon for thepodcast. If you want to see this podcast filmed live every single week,you can check me out on TWITCHTTV, slash munner or jw out at TwitchttTV. Sucks, slutch daddy righteous and you have he also has a phenomenalyoutube channel. He just uploaded a really cool video about the greatest comeback andpokemon history. Definitely check that one out. It is h did you like that? If I'm glad I was. I was wondering if you watched it. I was wondering I watch it. Is You know? I know,I know, but I don't know. I just feel like you know.I need that. I'm a words of affirmation guy. Huh. So makesure as well, if you're listening on...

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