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Season 3, Episode 47 · 9 months ago

3-47. Rotation Oversaturation

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and ready to discuss the outcomes of Player's Cup IV... but wait... people are already playing post rotation??! And they're sick of it?!

Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team, to Pokemon Trading Card Games for your podcasting to Oh, my name is Riley Hobart. Joined, as always, buy my good, good friend Mr JW curryall, JW, how's IT hanging to day? Hey, it's pretty good, Riley. I just got out of a Highland Civic Association meeting. A Highland Civic Association meeting. Yeah, so highland is the area that I live in my wife. My wife is like, Hey, we should join the you know board, the Community Board essentially. So yeah, we're well, we're not on the board, but we're are part of, you know, the association, as it were. So right. They were talking about there's a one guy. He is very he's the president, we think. We don't really know, but we think he's a president. But he's very like in your face about stuff and I'm like, I'm like, dude, it's you know, you're talking about putting an extra like compost been in the garden. It's like, I feel like, feel like it's notorious that people in those positions that have that kind of attitude. Yeah, I really want to know what he does and I actually got an email because we are going to meet up with one of the kind of younger guys that's on the board and that's really involved in the association. We're going to meet up with them just to like chat and like Hey, welcome to the neighborhood, that kind of thing. And he actually messaged us. He's like it's not normally like this, like tonight was crazy, you know, like a little on edge, you know, and we're like Oh, okay, interesting, yeah, that come postman. It was just very funny because and there were a few other things that were like maybe a little bit more serious, but it is like there was one time somebody brought up just something completely random there, oh, I remember. So they're like hey, what do you think if, you know, instead of having these videos on zoom, we met in somebody's backyard and you know, like for the first time in a year and a half, like and just, you know, met in person. And then this guy just like goes into this rant about how there's so much garbage on the streets and how it's every person's job to pick up and, you know, how the city needs to be have pressure put on them to and we're like where did that come from? It's pretascinated. How how are you? I'm doing well. I actually I was a little bit scared. I thought I had covid the other day and the reason is epic has returned to the office, as I mentioned the other week, and so you know, I've been started to meet with some people in person and right one of the people are they work with what to music festival and ended up catching getting covid and they ran for the office for a a couple days before for I guess they realized or got tested or certain symptoms or anything. So I was like kind of feeling a little ill, like not not sick, but not great. So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to work from home for a day when we use my one day a week, and I'm going to get tested. You got tested. It came back negative, so I guess it's fine. And what I think I'm actually learning, and this is like a legitimate things, like I'm allergic to something on the campus at work. So I don't know what it is. I think it's like the grass, to be honest, outside of my bed's sope. Yeah, like I'm like fiercely allergic to it, and so I get I feel like I'm sick whenever at work. I'm literally home man of working. I'm allergic to working. That's so funny. Yeah, so, and it consistently happens, because I came to the office like one time, or a couple times, I guess, last year during Covid and I always would feel kind of sick when I came to the...

...office and I thought it was like be getting sick, but I think it's just allergies. Yeah, and I don't really prior to moving here I never dealt with allergies at all, so I was kind of unfamiliar with the feelings. Yeah, so it's just a wild ride, man. I feel bad for you. I'm glad you don't have covid, though I'm glad too. I gotta say, how nervous are you? We've Seen Delta Species POKEMON and now we're getting a Delta plus variant of Covid. How like, and this is not medical advice for anyone listening, but like, how worried are you about the Delta variant kind of putting us back you know where we started in March? Yeah, it's tough to say. You W released of paper recently. is saying that with the Delta variant that even vaccinated people carry a similar amount of, I think like viral matter is how it was described. So basically, like they're comparably infectious, even if they're like not necessarily getting covid so it's tough. I mean I think people that are, you know, for turning office and stuff like that might need to rethink what that landscape looks like. Yeah, I think pokemon might have to reevaluate their situation. I don't know if Delta is necessarily the biggest threat to people who are vaccinated at least ninety nine percent of the time. I think the rate at which we're seeing new mutations come up, though, is kind of alarming. Yeah, so there's yeah, because I'm not that are also coming right right because, yeah, I mean you're not a docted by any means, and I guess I'm friends with doctors, but like you probably have your ear to the ground a little bit more than I do. So just curious about, you know, of the feeling around the workplace about that. Yeah, they'll situation. I mean there's definitely anxiety around like being in the office and traveling and like maybe we should rethink some of this. It's definitely like a sentiment shared. Yeah, yeah, so tall situation, but at least I don't have covid. Thank goodness, man, thank goodness. Would love to go through a pandemic without getting the disease. That would be a win for me. I think that would be a huge dub for sure. So we'll keep on trucking, and so too will the pokemon verse. Before we get into anything else, JW, I would need to get your thoughts on the newest and greatest entry into the pokemon franchise, and that is Pokemon unit. Two huge thumbs up. Two huge thumbs up. That's awesome. It's I actually really enjoy these kinds of team based video games, and pokemon unite has been something that I like desperately wanted out of league. Okay, so, like League for me was fun to an extent, because I can never really grind it to be like helpful for my team, right, like I'd always just I like I'd play so that we could have five or whatever in a squad and and so that we could all like hang out, and that's why I would play it, and I would never really do that. Well, like, no matter what position I played, where I was like I'd always get, you know, a kill or two and that would be like a good game. Yeah, but the problem was like it just would take forever, right, because I knew early on, like okay, I'm going to get, you know, the other people are going to get the creep, like I'm not going to last hit the creep to get the extra money. You know, all this stuff where it's like I know the margins where I'm not going to succeed and I'm like not going to hit my skill shots and things like that, as like I know where I'm not going to win against another player, but I can't really devote the time to like getting better at it. So that's where I feel like pokemon night comes in. We're not only you know,...

...there's less to think about, right. There's like a little more auto targeting. You know, there's I feel like the you know, it's kind of watered down in a sense in terms of like the technical aspect, and then it's also water down in terms of the time aspect. Like I just love that it's ten minutes a game. You just roll up, roll out. If you you know your team sucks, like it's fine, you move on. You know it's not like your stuff there for forty five minutes, trying to figure it out and just eventually losing, even though you knew you would lose early because you're bad right. So now I love it. I totally agree. I think the the mobis genre. It was an interesting one to enter, to be honest. It felt like like the time of the great rain of Moba's is maybe passed. But I agree that I like how it's short and focused and it's very like team play oriented as opposed to the micro play. So less worrying about like the exact mechanics of last hitting a creep and more worried about like how you're generally positioning with your team and like what objectives that you're focusing on at the time. Yeah, so I agree. It's really cool. The the one thing that kind of bothered me about the early stages of the game was Zactos felt like a little too strong. I think, well, I think that's the game. Everyone to adjust though. Yeah, as well. Yeah, I think it's coming maybe less of a problem as people start to evolve their understanding of the game. So it's cool. I liked it. I actually watched Rahool's stream the other day when he was playing in that tournament as well, just a sense of like what the competitive people are playing. And for context, I've only played like a handful of games, so I would not canenter that tournament on my own right chum not ready yet. And it was cool. It was really interesting to see like the team play and the focus on like the dread knob the early game and the road on the Midgame, and it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think that it's it's fun without being too much. There's like more to learn, as I'll always, you know, continually being and like I only really made Pikachu wish. I don't know, maybe that's a you know, maybe I'm a new for that, but I found it fun. I've grounded, you know, a fair number of games. I really like playing with five people. That's like so fun. Yeah, and I think right now I'm in like master three or wow, x x. wait, expert three. What's the like that, midtier? Anyway, I think it's expert. Okay, expert, yeah, expert three. So I feel it pretty proud. I just I gotta say, there you go. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, it's really fun. So you're you're big Pikachu made then, yeah, I love Pikachu. I love yeah, I like the little paralyzed shot and then I got big, the big spark ball thing, and yeah, very satisfied. Yes, I think it's fun and it's like if it just calls to me, you know, there's just something about it. If thank I've been trying to play for me. Yeah, I played a lot of Hiku Chu and it's so frustrating because Peakachi has like no way to get out of a situation where someone's like jumping on top of him. It's pretty tough. Like I find that it's HP maybe needs a little bit of a buff because I just get kind of hosed by like zero orro's like extreme wordy troy speech. Yeah, yeah, and it's like not even close and there's like nothing I can really do. So yeah, I feel like it does need a buff. It's kind of one of the weaker characters, but even so it can compete and I find myself just like relying on kind of the strength of my teammates and just like positioning wise right, like if you had Pikachu snore lax, like we're going to town people, right, you know, but if it's like me alone, I'm never going to get there. So for sure that totally makes sense and I agree. I enjoy PIKACHU A lot. Only played a handful of I haven't played everyone...

...in the cast, but yeah, I tried out. Like Pikachu is really fun. I've tried sind race. Of Tried, obviously, like Tarzar's part, the satorial even there. Oro is free. They're all kind of fun in their own their own way. Yeah, being so straightforward kind of lends itself to be able to experiment with all the different characters and not feeling like too bad about it. Yeah, for sure, somebody you know, if you're listening to the cast and you're also a Pikachu Maine, send me a DM on twitter, because I just need some I need some you know, hype, like just say hey, you're not a you're not a scrub for choosing Pikachu, and there's more of us out there. And one thing I also want to comment on is I appreciate like how quickly they jumped on like trying to rebalance the game and they added spectator mode after only like a week. Yeah, so very, very cool. I'm excited to see like what more we can do with it. Actually crazy, actually crazy how quickly they got, you know, got on board with all this stuff. I, you know, was noticing from friends they were a little upset that, oh, Zapp those didn't get kind of nerved right. But I think, you know, it's a little too early, yeah, for that. I feel like that's like a core mechanic, whereas kind of the the attacks of each pokemon our kind of secondary mechanics. But likeauseap those being acre mechanic, I feel like you don't need to necessarily maybe need to know more scrutiny. Yeah, just like just give it another little bit and I think some strategy, like like the strategy isn't quite there yet for people in terms of how to play around, you know, losing zap those or what do you do if you lose AP those? Yeah, I agree. Anyway, I agree. So really enjoying the game. I appreciate their responsiveness and I'm looking forward to seeing some of the new pokemon get added to well, we'll have the squat up sometime for sure. You're probably better than you right now. Let's go. I'll need to practice a little bit first. That'll be a first. So, Pokmon, you night definitely try it out. If you have a switch and you haven't give it a shot yet, only ten minute games, I mean can't hurt to try one. Yep, absolutely, I think you might get hooked. So let's talk then about another big going on in the pokey verse, and that's players. Cut for is concluded. So Alex Shamansky taking it home with his rapid strike or she fu with the Itali online deck, something that really hasn't seen a ton of playing these online events, but Alex really just own it up on the event and and run in train with it. And I got to say one thing that's really impressed me about the Players Cup is these like big name top level players are consistently like winning and topping. These players cops. So just goes to show like the people who are like, the people who are like the champions, didn't just fall off or anything. I remember that being a part of the discourse early on in the online scene. Is Like, oh, we're not seeing these same people topping anymore, like they're all cheaters and they can't cheat as well in line. Yeah, if you remember that phase? Yeah, for sure, for sure, and I think it's more so they just not devoting as much energy to these events than when they do, they're still coming out strong. Well, it's just so hard, right, there's an event every week and you really don't see that many players, you know, playing these events right, like it's it's crazy to even think that, you know, a lot of players would just weekly or even monthly, arguably, like play in these events, just when they don't really have that much of a return on investment, right, you know, in the grand scheme of things, like, okay, you can probably figure you walk up, you know, you or I could roll up to any tournament maybe get like what, top sixty four, top thirty two, like probably, you know, I would bet on myself...

...to get top sixty four at any tournament, you know, so higher before, right people. Well, there you go, exactly, especially, you know, in get into the prizing, right, and then that's side. Okay, well, you got, you got top thirty two and like here's your two packs of chilling Ryan. It's like, well, I spent, you know, eight hours on my Wednesday night, you know, playing our tournament night. You know. So it's tough. It's tough, but I think that's certainly why you know, bringing it up, like Oh, where did all the all the players go well. I think a lot of the higher end players like that were earning money in the game actually playing, you know, physical cards. Are Looking at the online scene and just going that's really not what I'm accustomed to playing for, you know. So then we see players cups where there's something on the line, right, there's like a monetary valuable prize, and then it's like okay, you know, great players are topping, great players are making the second phase and, you know, really great players are winning pretty much crossboard. So that's that's really cool. Yeah, so let's talk then about kind of the landscape that led Alex to his big win. I mean it goes without saying by far the biggest deck in this event was shadow rider. I think there were five different players out of the sixteen who rolled up with shadow rider, so that's a pretty substantial metaphresens. It's pretty rare to see decks get that large a portion of the metagame and really a lot of them at up was shaped around either playing or trying to beat shadow rider. So the next biggest deck, if I'm not mistaken, is actually with two players, the ATP Multus Deck, right very targeted at trying to beat shadow rider and then we had other decks like pager showed up with the rapid strike Multris deck. You have the spear tomb deck that got second place, you have multiple dark box decks. Yeah, so just huge, huge grip on the metagame. Was Shadow rider, which shouldn't be surprising. Yeah, especially in that kind of a blind metagame, right, because these players right necessarily know what the metagame was going to be. I don't even know that there were maybe tournaments in the new format before they had to make a dex selection. So, you know, because we just have to keep in mind that this was, you know, they played their match was like what two weeks ago or something like that, and then they get edited and rebroadcast, you know, weeks later. So just keeping that in mind. Like they don't have kind of a more developed sense of even how to play these decks, right, because a lot of I feel, well, and that's not a dig that I know. I'm like, there's a there's a different style. Like I think, you know, people now or maybe a little bit more inclined to play a highercount of Alchemy and certainly throughout Players Cup, we were seeing with the shadow rider lists, like, you know, maybe a one one or not, even including alchemy. And so you're going to, I'm sly, take a much harsher matchup against the the dark decks. And Yeah, and there were, you know, five shadow unders and six decks that had some kind of dark attackers. So really incredible. They're really incredible. Yeah, crazy stuff to be honest. But then you have Alex coming in with his psychic week deck and ended up taking it home and I think really the biggest push factor in my mind is he had such a good matchup. Get a passable matchup. At least he could try and make a passle match up with the GERACI Gax in a shadow you're still not great, but he had a great matchup against all of these dark decks a like the fighting type. Weakness is powerful, but be like things like the Multraus deck, eighty FN moultras is not have like a great immediate...

...answer to an Ershi foo slapping them in the face on turn to right. So at being able to chain a couple of those off, knock out the ATP, you know, maybe snipe a Dedenne. You know, that adds up really fast. Yeah, yeah, it was really ingenious how Alex built his deck. I just want to hone in on the to karate belt, which I know nobody had really thought of, and it's like it's definitely the kind of twist, and I say twist in a very, you know, loose way, because you're just kind of adding an additional card, or maybe two additional cards you didn't have, but it really gives the deck a new dimension and it allows you to have those games against shadow rider that you otherwise would struggle with, but now you can, you know, if you can get three snipes off, which is not crazy to think about, right, because if you just think about the prize trade, if you have the GERACI down, then they're generally generally and they can, but they're generally not one shotting the Ershfu Vmax so they'll probably at the target down the GERANCI first, but then you can just attack with two Ershufu vmacs in a row and then if you can get three snipes off right, doing a hundred twenty two, two different v Max's on their side of the field three times right, then you win. Right. So like it just makes sense and like that second karate belt is just so necessary to even like keep yourself in the game. And those situations and like it's just so genius and I can't believe nobody else, or maybe other people thought about it, but I can't believe it hasn't like gained more popularity now just because, yeah, it's a brilliant little deck building decision that that certainly should be should be mentioned and it's worth calling out as well. Like the karate belt strategy maybe wasn't as good in previous formats, but now that you have like the drizzle and tally on engine to very selectively pick that karate belt out of your deck, I mean so good, so good, and we also got a shout out. We're talking about this before the cast as well. The finals matchup is just burtle, like having the triple sniping and telly on, yeah, against the the sphere tune deck. Any what do you even do at that point? It's it's disgusting. It's disgusting, and I mean you think about like metagaming right for the event in like if you take a passable matchup to the deck that you think most people will play, which you know was that shadow rider, and then you can beat a lot of like the counters to that big deck. Like you're probably going to do okay at worst and really well at best. And so you know, we certainly Sawt I here, and just props to Alex for for coming up with a, you know at least a spin on a, you know, highly played deck and and coming away with the win. Absolutely, absolutely, just really solid, not a game gaming all around. There any other like interesting things that you want to call out? I mean how piss played the the excradrill deck, which was cool. Yeah, yeah, that is really cool, I think, because I believe they played us stall variation and maybe it was x control as well throughout the the Quali qualifying and day and day too, and it just like it kind of goes to show like the the level of, you know, how good a control deck can be, like the later on you go right, it just gets harder and harder to win because the competition gets better and better. And so, you know, ex coul drill control, like it's just there's definitely kind of a graph right of like the expected success for a deck like this, where it's like well, the later on you get into tournament, there's just going to be players that know how to play against it. And that's not to say that they played poorly or that's not even to say that the other players necessarily played well, but it just says like, well, didn't quite come out here on top. And I don't remember the last time that we've seen,...

...you know, a control variant do particularly well. I'm probably going to eat my words when you say one. And didn't sent Sander win a big tournament with control? Was that this format? In this format? I don't know, but he hed. Yeah, I guess could control tournament. He must have. Yeah, he must have, or at least like finals or something. Yeah, he must have recently. That's true. Yeah, I mean, I I don't know, I remember something. I don't remember the exact details, though. Yeah, yeah, well, anyway, not there getting too old. That's very cool. Yes, of course, to see, you know, to see the x condrill deck and to see control. I always think control is existing, at least in two small numbers, at least at being a viable deck, if not being like a hopefully not a tier one deck. I don't love playing against control, but at least as existence is, is is a good sign, in my eyes, of a generally healthy metagame. I liked Pedros deck. If we want to talk a little bit more about Rabbit Strike Ershiafu. I've never been the hugest fan of Sinchino, but Pedros played this deck for a long time done, you know, pretty well with it and then getting the new wrinkle of the Galerian moletrace to give him some semblance of a chance against the you know, dark week decks in the field. I thought that was kind of cute. What I was surprised to see I was watching him on stream because he was featured a couple of times in in that opening session, and I was really surprised to see that he didn't play any energy switch, yeah, which I was like really confused about. I was like because I first saw him play the Glarian multress down and then audoship for that purpose. Yeah, and I was like, Oh, okay, that's kind of cute, like he can go energy switch and then, you know, he can do rabbit strikes over and over again, right, but no, no energy switch, Glari and multress literally on its own, just the you know kind of counter callie rex attacker. Yeah, yeah, so very interesting. Also notable. We had very nice showings from the United States for players in the top four, but really great showing from Brazil, three players in the top eight, four players in the top four is not correct. For the United Sto, did I say? For four players in the top six team, my, my, well, that's I think there's only sixteen people, right. Yeah, yeah, so there are four players in the top sixteen. That's true for every reason, though, isn't it? Now for American players, well, every region has four players. Yeah, I don't know what you mean. Okay, all right. Well, I instead of Canada, yes, instead of Canada, Mexico. That's what I mean this. But we did it. I mean we did have I mean through the top eight. That right, has so like. Yeah, there you go. Also, three Brazilians in the DABATES O. congratulations to Bruno Jao and Dalton as well. There we go, we got there. Yeah, so every cool stuff all around. It's always fun to watch these really elite players play against each other. Yeah, for sure, we are getting speaking of elite players playing against each other, we should be hearing tomorrow and throughout the week the players that they're bringing on board for this kind of twenty five anniversary pokemon battle. Do you know too much about this? Yeah, in fact, I'm happy to announce that I am all twenty five players. That's crazy on VGC as well. I'm every single one of them. Yep, that's amazing. Wow, who would have thought? Is kind of a twist. You know, I thought I'd say it here...

...first on the podcast. Oh, I think our viewers are just as surprised as I am. Yeah, I know, I did see the the announcment for it's cool. It's cool. I'm I'm excited to see what that fans out to be. Yeah, absolutely so. I did want to talk about car of the day today. Let's do it, and car of the day, as always, is one near and dear to my heart. It is from the lost thunder set. It has an exceptionally long neck and it's grass tight. Lost Thunder, long neck, grass, time long. That kind of got me because I was like, oh, jump off right, that's head. That is a good grass type from lost thunder. That it's also near and dear. No long neck, and that was like. When you said long neck, I was like draft Rigg, but I don't think that has a pokemon and I bet there's somebody out there screechure is a lost under draft Rigg, to be fair, but it's not a girl that's true. It's psychotype. Yeah, exactly, it psychic time. Um, yeah, what got it is the lowland executor from a lost thunder, and let me talk about why that card is so near to my heart. So lowland executor from lost thunder has the tronical shake attack. It does twenty damage and twenty more, I believe, for each energy. You just car pile up to five. So does a hundred twenty damage for one grass energy. So good, so good. It has a lot of hit points and so it can tank a riotus beating from a Zark and you know, to hit Kao it back. So you got a little to hit Ko situation going on, but with the one prize pokemon and it's just is really cool deck. So as lost thunder was coming out, I was prepping for the international championship that was in South Pawo that year and that was actually one of the top decks on my radar for a while. was playing to all one prize, a low and executor deck. So I tried it out pretty extensively and didn't really pan out, but it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, try, yeah, and you know, maybe one day. Yeah, absolutely nicely. It was. For a while it was one of my top decks and eventually, if you don't know the history, I settled on at controls arc deck and a lot of people did play the little executor deck, though. At that international championship Tran in my is arc deck I included the Giraffe Rick that you're alluded to earlierlet's go. It's so whenever I would play against the eload executors, they would, you know, mill their energy with the shuckle and I'm just come in with the giraffe Rigg and remove it from the discard pile, put in the laws zone and they couldn't attack anymore. So that's dope. So good times, a lot of lives ruined. Yes, that's what it's all about. Absolutely so. I still really enjoy that card, though, and the the theme deck for the eload executor was when them decks started to actually get good. Yeah, it's now been severely outclassed and now them decks are like not a thing, but I've a lot of fond memories of playing that theme deck and themed Deck Games. That's awesome. Sophocles for to energy in the discard. Can't beat that.

That's awesome. Did you know sophocles is like something else I learned on the Basili on the trip to Brazil. His name in Portuguese is Chris. No Way, oh my gosh, just Chris. I feel like I saw that the other day. I don't know what Googe it was translated into, but I you know the Marni Promos, Uh Huh, that are coming out, and I saw one. It was like called marry. I was like, Oh what. Yeah, it just cracks me up. On they have like a very normal name. Well and like you know, if you want to look up one that'll make you roll, ace trainer in German. I BELIEVE ASS trainer is a peg podcast. Apologize, that's funny. It's riot. So that's fun and it actually want to briefly correct the long executor came out and forbidden light, but the chuckle came out and lost under to build the energy. That's what it was. M Yeah, so brief correction. I think you want to typen the chat with that, though. Let's head into the second half of the cast and talk a little bit about the current landscape we have in the POKEMON treating card game. GW. You want to give us a little background on what we're talking about here. Well, we were discussing before the cast are like, man, it's kind of crazy that you know that there's a lot of discussion post rotation, but but that's not particularly is it? Because we are getting that new format in, you know, in a month, and it's it's maybe time. There's not really that many big tournaments, or maybe not. There's big tournaments, but maybe not like particularly impactful tournaments. I'll say like important turners right, like the formats on the dying and of its light. So we were just talking about like, man, people are looking ahead so far that they're already getting burnt out on a post rotation and that's like the opposite of what should be happening right like people should be like looking forward to post rotation, as being like, Oh man, I can't wait to play with these new cards and I can't wait to see what, you know, how these decks interact and can't wait to try this thing out or can't wait for this to be gone. But they're getting into the new format and now people are like, this format sucks. That's so that's so accurate. I remember I was scrolling through twitter one day and I saw like that people were starting to make videos about post rotation. This seems like little early. You know, we're still this is like very shortly after chilling rain came out, and I'm like now, you know, like chilling rain just came out, like she would really be already focusing on post rotation. And then literally the next day I open up twitter again and people are talking about how bad they think the post rotation format is, and I'm like, Whoa, let's slow down. Chilling rain just came out last week. Look, yeah, maybe play these cards first. And it just always baffles my mind. And this this, I think, especially goes for rotation, but it's an exclusive to it where I feel like people are so laser focused on like the next thing and it's kind of frustrating in a way, like, you know, we have all these cool things left to do, you know. Yeah, right, right. So it always kind of just grinds my gears. I guess like if you spend all of your time just thinking about the next format repeatedly, you'll never enjoy the one year it. I mean it's kind of like it's kind of like life in a way. Yeah, exactly. Know, if you're always if you're always looking ahead,...

...you can never really be in the moment exactly. You gotta live in the moment, Dude. We gotta live in the moment. I mean, there's good things about looking ahead. Like this is not the say. I feel like this cast we maybe have been like kind of like hey, I don't know. I felt like when I was speaking about the online tournament scene, I was like kind of hating on it. But no, that's not you know, there's a time in a place for it. You know, like online tournaments are very much a valid way to play the game. They're they just maybe, you know, they don't pay. You know, saying, okay, so that's okay. I'm gonna correct myself on that just a little annotated. Just stop going back to that Hezy mom money. But then you yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, now we're like people are like already hating on post rotation, but just like yeah, just just slow down, enjoy what we have. I can't. I can't believe that people are already like yeah, I've seen multiple comments on twitter like I'm burnt out on poster or like post rotation sucks or all the decks suck and poster like I've seen that over and over and I'm like, man, maybe maybe it's just people not actually saying how they really feel, because it's twitter rights. You don't have like, you know, the facial expressions to tell if that's just a joke or not. But I feel like the fact that I've seen it for from like half a dozen people kind of gives me the impression that there's a large subject subset of people out there that are that are already bored of post rotation right, and I feel like we're, relatively speaking, like chilling rain isn't that old either. Like yeah, you know, maybe it wasn't your favorite format, but like its for got time left in it. I don't know, I feel like, especially in prior years, I suppose. I think it was a little bit easier to justify kind of like the post rotation hustle in a way, because usually the last event would be worlds, and then world started being on rotation format as well, so that people right started being less applicable. But like in prior years it would be like the last thing, or even like even when world's did become like post rotation, it made more sense like focus on that right away. I after nationals. But now it's like we have this whole space of online events which could still theoretically subsist on chilling rain or, you know, pre rotation format. So it seems a little bit like we're jumping the gun here, because that same immediacy of, like the next event I'm going to play in will be post rotation, isn't necessarily there anymore, at least if you're actively playing the game. You know what I'm said? Right, right, yeah, I get you. I feel that. So like I could understand it more in prior years when like the next regional that you would go to would be post rotation for sure, and he had to get that jump right. You had to get you had to be ahead of everybody right, you had to be kind of like add to be the one two steps that. I yeah, exactly, you had to. You had to know what people were going to play and then he had to play something that beat what people were going to play. Yes, I really I do understand that in prior years, when you have worlds, when you had your next regional that you were prepping for it. I understand it less now when, like like said, there's an event all the time. You know, there's a yeah, all this crazy stuff that you can do any given day of the week. So, you know, if you're going to be playing pokemon anyway, why not play it for some packs or something? I don't know. Yeah, right, right, yeah, I hear. Yeah, exactly exactly. I'm it's cool. You know, post rotation, looking forward to it, as I always do. There's something fresh and and certainly about like a new season, right, because there's something even you know, it's just different than a new set release. Right, new set release we might get a new archetype or two, you know, really make their mark on the format. But post rotation, when we lose a handful of sets or a block of sets,...

...and that's exciting because that that just obliterates what we thought we knew and introduces, you know, new things and there's so much room for innovation and doing something unique and finding out something cool and creating something beautiful, so beautiful, and honestly, I'm I'm excited about like kind of what we're laying the framework for. We're seeing some of these cards revealed or released and it seems kind of like the defining thing for the next year is going to be battle styles, right, like the continuation of rapid and single strike, as well as like diffusion strike that they're they're starting to release. So I'm I really have enjoyed those. I've, you know, I said that quite a few times on the cast that I like the direction that battle styles goes, because they're kind of like these pre built things that have like a highly reus energy but don't feel like oppressively like, you know, built for you Tom so I'm excited for that. And don't get me wrong, right am excited for like rotation in a mix up to the game. It's just I just hate to see people jump the gun so much and be feels like they're all four months ahead of me. I'm not that type that. Yeah, the funniest thing is like the people that are that are always like actually two sets ahead, because at this point we're starting to get the next evolving skies. Right, we have evolving skies, we have all the evolutions, we got the Ray Quasa, like those are things that people are actively looking at and trying out. But then we also have, yeah, like you said, there's another set that's that's being released. People looking to Japan and people are looking at that and going like oh my gosh, can you believe this card is getting released? That makes my deck and Post roundation completely obsolete, and we're like what do you do? I think you'll find if you play the game for long enough, like the competitive players on the whole don't really do that. which would you say that that's true? I think so. I think so. Like they may look ahead, sure, one format, but but I would say even like, even then they're they're largely not looking ahead and they're definitely not looking too I would say, like's ahead. The very best deck builders in the game are usually just looking at their next event, right, and if that is in the next format or in this format, that's the thing that they're looking at. So I guess maybe to posit that, like, if you are not going to be playing until post rotation, by all means like test that out. If you got some chilling ran stuff coming up, why not just try and perfect that? You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. It is kind of interesting, though, because you know, the factor in a little bit of this online format that if we ever get back to competitive play, you know in the near future, like I do, think will continue and we'll continue to be strong, but you know, when we've talked about this on the cast before as well. It's just like we we get so, you know, kind of accelerated in our format as well, like they're just so many tournaments so quickly and like lists are kind of being deemed optimal and deemed at least, you know, better versions seem to emerge, yeah, from the player base, and that's that's also something I think. I mean, we've talked about this at length before, but just another thing that kind of contributes to that feeling of, Oh, I need to look ahead because I need to freshen up, because the best deck has already been determined, you know, a week or two ago. And Yeah, just feels kind of like why am I doing this? In a way. Yeah, I can understand the sentiment for sure,...

...and I guess really the most important thing is, no matter how you choose to play Pokemon, that you do in a way that's fun. So if you feel yourself like the funds getting sucked out of it because you're so laser focused in on on anything, maybe take a step back and and try and like recenter on why you're playing in the first place. It's because you enjoy it. Yeah, I think we're always going to preach that. You know, that kind of positive aspect of the game is like, you know, you can grind and you can kind of, you know, kill yourself in essence to to get better at the game, but at the end of the day, if you're not enjoying what you're doing, then maybe it's it wasn't that worth it to do it. You know, I guess my cats agree. There was some there's some noise going on over there, some vigorous some vigorous battles being waged. There you go. You might need to attend to that. I think they'll be fine, but I can't guarantee it. So you know, overall, you know, try and keep your heads up, have fun out there, enjoy the POKEMON trading card game and if you're interested, I recommend checking out the information about the the full grip tournament for post rotation. Yes, absolutely, let's let's talk a little bit more about that, Riley. Yeah, so, if you're unaware, the full grip is full grip is doing a double header post rotation tournament in two weekends from now. Is that that the right dates? Yeah, so it's going to be the twenty eighth and twenty, nine, three, Gosh, except weekends. Yeah, so right after rotation, basically you'll be able to jump right in with your premo decks. We say this after kind of ranting about cropping ahead of time. But it'll be a lot of fun. You'll see some of your big favorite names out there, like Mr Jw creewall and perhaps me, still figuring out kind of logistically if I can make that work. And overall, like any support that you showed, a full grip is supporting the cast and supporting our friends. Absolutely. Yeah, I can't recommend it enough. Hopefully I will attend again. You know, things kind of seem like they're in flux all of a sudden, after being, you know, pretty stable there for what seemed like, you know, at least a month, right, it's like, okay, we're on track, right, we're on track, and now with just new and exciting viruses that seemed to just be, you know, shifting and changing. Things are. Escape has ever changing. Landscape is ever changing. So no guarantees on that, but at least for now I'm scheduled to be there. So can't wait to see you. Guys. If you are a fan of the cast, please make sure to say hello and yeah, look forward to possibly meeting up with you guys and playing some poke irl, some poke irl with that. If you want to check us out on social media, twitter's the best place to find us. That's at smiles with riles for myself, at Real John Walter, for Mr JW and at tag team Pokemon for the podcast. If you want to see this podcast filmed live every single week, you can check me out on TWITCHTTV, slash munner or jw out at Twitchtt TV. Sucks, slutch daddy righteous and you have he also has a phenomenal youtube channel. He just uploaded a really cool video about the greatest comeback and pokemon history. Definitely check that one out. It is h did you like that? If I'm glad I was. I was wondering if you watched it. I was wondering I watch it. Is You know? I know, I know, but I don't know. I just feel like you know. I need that. I'm a words of affirmation guy. Huh. So make sure as well, if you're listening on...

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