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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 50 · 2 months ago

3-50. Season Three Finale!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are wrapping up season 3 of Tag Team with a rousing adventure into the future of standard and a look at the GLC.

...o what is that guys? Looking back totag team, the Pokmon Training Card Games for mere podcasting duo, my nameis Raly Hobert joined, as always by my good good friend, Mister J, W cree wall,Gw how's it going today an it's going, pretty well Riley. How are you I am ontop of the world man on top of the world? Well, you look on top of the wayyou look like like Christian Bale or somethingbecause I have a white shirt on yeah white shirt and your hair Tabak. It'snot really slicked back! It's kind of headphones are doing that more thanmore than me, like a young Christian Bale thanks, I guess if you're listening onthe cast you're missing out yeah yeah. Well, I had this interesting moment atthe gym. Yesterday I was really feeling myself and I was like damn like you'relooking good right now, and then it made me think you know. Well, I'm alsocritically single right now. So if I'm looking this good and critically singlethere's, probably so- is it much more fundamentally on it right, you're,probably not that good, looking yeah well either that or like there'ssomething so deeply wrong outside of my appearance, Brat cancels it up. Thank Ounfortunate reality that we live in. Thank what's the going on in your world,though. Well I have been just chugging away at work and yeah. I have beenenjoying playing paper carts. I have been, I don't want to say, addicted toplaying or to like shuffling my deck, but I just have my deck out on thetable and like whenever I take a mental break or like I'm thinking oversomething I just like reach for the deck and start shuffling it up to, andif there's cards near me, yeah, yeah and like now that I have a full timejob like I feel a little less guilty about like going online and buying afew cards every so often so, like I just kind of building up I've. Neveractually this is kind of a like inside baseball. I've never actually ownedenough cards like stable cards to make twofull decks at any one time, but I finally have that now yeah, likeI have like twelve research, you know I got like six more marnes on the way youknow like. I am just going hard trying to to a comedian collection, full art,right, yeah, yeah, let's go with that, but, like I just you know, I getpackages in every couple days of, like you, know a six dollar order or like aten dollar order, and it's just got a few more staples that I can use tobuild a few more decks, because that is something that I really want to getinto. Is The table top game play or at least a little bit more yeah? Maybe it's not a weekly thing,but I've just been having fun with my set up and just another cool, a little recklessAndrew Danken. The other day I was Super Fun Yeah. It was a great time andlook for more of that- maybe maybe maybe sporadically, but look for moreof that. I think it'd be really fun to because there is a pretty solid playerbase here in Columbus. I think it'd be pretty fun to like host a tournamenthere and then we could do like feature match up here on the on the table, andthen we have a big table downstairs that you know everybody could playtheir regular matches and now maybe do like a tournament one night and regularplead matches yeah. They have to go downstairs and play on the you know:Twelve foot dining table yeah and if you're on the bottom table you have toplay in the basement, don't even that kind of brings up badmemories. One time I played on a piece of plywoodthat I was stretched out over a cardboard box,...

...so there you go yeah I've seen it allman, but yeah. I'm really excited to you know play paper again. I feel itfeels weird like to go back just you know with like the delts of Arian andstuff, but I kind of feel like after eighteen months that I've earned it ina way. Do you know what I mean little entitled,but Yeah Yeah a little entitle like I did my part. You know. Let me play somecards sure Ma safely with when my ask on you know yeah. I don't know it justit kind of feels like that to me so anyway, looking forward to it got acouple of tournaments this weekend. So there you go yeah, so I mean you'vereference playing paper again for people who maybe haven't beenconsistently listening or haven't been following the scene locally. What's going on thisweekend, so there is the full grip games, double header, two tournaments back to bank SaturdaySunday, they starte around Nooni eastern time. So if you want to catchthe stream they're going to be streamed over on tricky jims channel Andrew isgoing to be streaming those. But the first tournament on Saturday is a postrotation tournament that includes evolving skies. So not only are wegoing to see a rotation, but we're also going to get those new cards. Peoplecan play with the re. Quas o Max is the Rihana, the other. You know flaff whatever that they can become wing requesteth theflag I mean you could play with like a rose engine like turbo patch rose,Turapaca n't work on the Max as though no no you would turpa patch to thebasic, obviously come on dude on tins, Rogalin, Aricuna energy swet and then go into the go into the. What's that other new car, the Yogakick boy met a chap the metaca yeah yeah in Sane Deck and say that we weretalking about that before the cast O. I was like telling Riley my my impactfulcards and it's like Oh glary, an Articulo Meta, Cham, V and he's like Br.What are you cooking up? What saucy decay coom up with those two? I'm likeno, no they're impactful in their own ways, but we got the double hitters head or sothere's that first tournament on Saturday post rotation and then theSunday tournament is going to be the JIM leader challenge format. Yeah,absolutely so. You know FOLCO Games, obviously a partner in the podcast hereand we're really excited to play cars in person. I won't be able to go to theevent, but w rep in the cast for s and getting two wins one for each of us.That's right! That's right! I will definitely dedicate my wins to youRiley for year. Thank you. So we wanted to talk, though, about both of thoseformats. So the first half of the cast today we're going to be talking aboutthe standard format and the second half will be talking about the GlcnaoraLenge format when we get in a second half as well, we'll give a briefexplanation of gls if you're have to be unfamiliar, but absolutely let's dive in a standard,so evolving skies is dropping and the sun and moon era is rotating, so we'relooking at sword and shield to evolving skies. For this upcoming weekend. Atthe Folgefond K, some very notable cards have been lostin the shuffle here, namely all the tag teams. Namesake of the show have beenrotated at this point. Good news is we're not going to become the Maxpodcast, shout it to Stella Rish Canning forfive bits, and so the v Maxes, though, are definitelydominating the format we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and ouropinion largely remains true that be maxes. Are The cards to look at headinginto this format? They've already started honestly dominating even beforetag team is rotated. They kind of just...

...overtook the format with their mass ofHP and impressive attacks, and we're just seeing that kind of boiled down inthe post rotation format as well. Some noble other losses in rotation. I thinkthe most notable and you'll see. Why is the mew from unbroken bonds the the PABerrier me? So there is no like universal bench protection, any moredamage that very freely let yeah on the bench. That's a major loss yeah. So keeping with that theme, there areseveral different decks that take advantage of that there are new decksin evolving skies like the jolty On v Max that snipes, and you obviously havelike your zero or of V that snipes, but the single car that comes to mind whenwe're talking about slike damage. Hopefully, as a parent and that's goingto be the rapid striker, she food deck with the whole rap strike engine withItalian. I mean this tack is really the top dog. I think just really the numberone deck with the biggest target on his back heading into the post, erationformat, and it's easy to see why I mean you: Have the bench damage so can veryeasily just take decks out of contention in away like just completely prevent them from being able to play if they have toset up poke hem on, and that goes for other decks that are like playing the the Intelli online to right, like ansnipe, double resile and and now they've kind of like lost their engineis very efficient. It can attack for a few energy and the Intelli on lineoffers, consistency that isn't reliant on like a crow bat or any sort of yeah, less reliable, draw like thatyeah and because one of the things that I found with this format is that whenyou're, relying on crow bad to draw you're, often finding yourself drawinggway less cards right, like you're, finding yourself cro bating, you knowbecause you needing this is like your hand, right logged and your hand justgets clogged. There's not really many good ways to decrease your hand, sizeyou're, often going to want to Crovan the early game. So that's usually youknow not necessarily after like an opponent's Marny, which would be onenatural way to reduce your hand but you're going to want to crow bat earlyand a lot of times. Well, yeah yeah exactly so it just makes it tough. Crovan is notthe draw engine that you necessarily want to. Have I mean it's kind of anecessary evil in some decks. That's not the Drangen that you want to have, but you know it's pretty much all wegot. So if you are, you know, have if you dohave the option to play the inteligent in your decks like go for it right, because that's goingto be just way more consistent in a lot of cases, oh for sure and plus like ifyou happen to run into the road at the peak, then you're not impacted by thatat all, and you know, just having the ability hand select. The cards that youdraw is always really good. Oh for sure, so I mean I don't think we need to divetoo much specifically into Ershi Fu. I think its strength are almost apparentby just kind of what the format is looking like, and I think what we'regoing to see, Gw and feel free to push back on. This is the formes going tokind of warp itself around rapid strike or she fu so we'll see or she fo dowell and then we'll see decks kind of come up with the intent to counter it,and then you may have counters to those counters. So, let's step through that logic, thenI think the the obvious counter to rapid strike. ErChifu is of course, going to be shadow rider, cally reck, but the psychictyping Hittin for weakness and just dealing out tons of damage talk to meabout chattered or D W yeah shadow atter. I played against that over thelast. You know yesterday when I was...

...playing with with Tankas and it felt just a little slow and I don'tknow if that's necessarily because you know he didn't draw particularly wellor if the deck you know. In fact, you know just needed that extra turn fromengarment. U To actually be viable, but it just felt particularly slow when weplayed it the other day, and I wasn't extremely impressed. I mean obviouslywe've been saying: We've been singing the praises of the shadow rider callyrec ability, one of the most broken abilities ever printed and so like itis good. But for whatever reason I just maybe itwas the list. Maybe it was the draws. We only played a couple of games solike yeah, I could have just been the dress, but I didn't feel particularly well. I should say it would feel goodif the games lasted long enough right, because you saw in the end of that lastgame that Dangan I played, he was able toramp up to the you know three hundred and ten damage, and you know justblowing away my board, but the problem was he wasn't able to put on enoughpressure early to make that late game damage matter. So that was where you know I was playing in Erchu build.That was where I was able to take advantage and capitalize. I was able togo in very early and go aggressive now. I think if the list had been modified alittle bit more to play to accommodate the maybe crussel, so that could be apossible way to just get things rolling a little bit sooner right go in turn towith a crystal a get a bunch of energy and play, and then all of a sudden youcan start attacking with shadow riders. I think that might be a way to you know,mix up the deck, a strategy that we didn't really see, and maybe you wantto play. You know two three, possibly for Corsali to make sure you get thaton the first turn, but just just some thoughts there is thatdidn't really put on a lot of early game pressure, and that was what kindof you know made it slip yeah and I wasactually kind of thinking a down a similar process. I was you kind ofpreemptively answer my question. You know what do we think about the lossGangamba of the most toxic tag, team cards of them all,and I think it actually does make a pretty significant impact. I mean Ikeep thinking back to the Alex Amans Ki versus a Sol series,where, as little kept struggling to get the full set up, he needed before Alexcould start taking advantage of his board with snipes, and that was with Gen Garm amice nowgranted Alex also had karate belt, which is rotating, but I think that'salmost like a similar exchange in a way like you right have that lock down anymore, but you get the snipe. I guess you also lose the you know you lose the Grashe for theweakess prevention right, but the the trace wasn't really a huge factor inthat series. Yeah not particularly, and that's kind of what I'm finding is likeyou're, going to the thing when you're playing against shadow rider is whenyou're playing in pre rotation format or cause we post rotation you're goingto want to try to force them to attack three times for knockouts. So you wantto save your you know. Maybe Your v Max until lateor if you do go in with The v Max, then you want to try to you know: Go v Max vV! Max You know, if you're playing with the Erchu and telling how to build that,gets a little bit sus because they can obviously gust around your. You knowyour activities and make the prize exchange really nice for you. But ifyou're playing with the Ershi maltres build, then you can absolutely employ astrategy where you go in and attack with. You know, maybe it's the Ershfove, maybe you're swinging for a hundred and fifty that's very viabledamage, and then you get a multis and then you find some other attack, ormaybe it's their ovem, but like you're,...

...trying to force them to at least attackthree times they're, usually not going to get a knockout on theirsecond turn right for the most part right like on their second turn of thegame, or that they play that's very early. They would need to get threeenergy down for energy down. I should say to knock out an Ershi, so it's justnot usually going to happen that way, and so they have to attach to the benchof the abilities so right right. So it can just be a little awkward, but theLake Game Potential of the shadow rider deck obviously is where it shines, andso, if you can make it out of those first few turns that you know takingtoo much damage against a nurse Fu deck. Then you should be in the clear yeahand I think that's I mean that's true in a lot of match. UPS, I feel like fora shadow rider like if you scale up into the late game, you are going to bea monster to deal with, because you have that you have that draw you, havea ton of energy and play you're just dealing a crap on of damage. One atKong D Max is potentially even yeah yeah, and that's where I feel like ifwe were to like graph the power levels of the of the cards over the course ofa game. Right, like I feel like Ershi, is very consistent. That's what I waslike to say as well. It's like a lot yeah yeah throughout the course of thegame like it can't ever like reach too high right you're only going to everMax out it. What a hundred and eighty damage, if you like Snipe- and you havethe telescopic site and the the the monkey on the bench and then so, that'sonly that's the most. You can do unless you're playing. I guess you know againthe multures, then you can do one. Ninety, but you're, not really rampingup for one shots. You're saying pretty now that I think about it that you havea higher theoretical bench: Damage output, an inactive yeah. It is reallyit makes for very strange. You know very strange lines of play where youactually you're, like Oh man. I want to boss something else up to knock out.You Know The v Max that I just put to the bench and it's very unusual, butthen, if you were, if you were maybe to graph the the power level shadow underlike it just goes pretty much infinitely up right because you're justgetting more and more energy- and I like you, feel like it's. Our parabolicto or I starts off a little slow as you like, try to get that initial set upand then it like spikes as you get like your second third Chatto writer andplay yeah like ring those early couple. Shadowwriters down is really difficult. Well and it's weird to right, because youshould you know you got twelve outs essentially to getting one fan crystal your four basics and thenfour quick balls. So I like theoretically, should you know happenwith with regularity right to get out. You knowtwo three shadow writers on the first turn and start attaching and buildingthem up, but in practice we saw with the games that I played against Tankase. He got maybe one maybe two out and to you're getting like two of them,yeah and and yeah, and then you feel pretty pretty happy to get to yeah. Iwould think to is like a good turn yeah. So so I agree with you there I mean, Ithink those are really going to be the the big monsters of the format thatyou're going to have your rapid strikers, both the Intelli variant andthe multivariate as well. You thank you for bringing that up. You know anotherway that Dan Raversi could look to deal it a shadow writer as well as justplaying like paths of the peaks and their antello versions. I kind ofstammering that set up a little bit sure that's another, very viable option.I think that we haven't really seen in list. I mean obviously nobody's reallyplaying post rotation, but yeah. You know there is that thing that Urshotcould play path themselves to try to slow the opposing decks down so yeahjust things to think about, and I think we'll get a much clearer sense of theformat you know it's always like kind of a crap shoot going into the format,especially a new one, with new cards and rotating cards like it's just kindof gonna, be a craft shoot, but we'll get a a much clear picture of what isgood and what most importantly, is bad...

...and for this weekend what, mostimportantly, is bad? Isn't it wasn't what's good more important? No, no! No!What's bad is more important. I see because that's what we're going to beplaying for you to video exactly yes, yes, so t other decks that I don'tthink we'll go as deeply into, but we wanted to give some some praise to. Wehave the glaciology. It was las felt like kind of an unsung hero for alittle bit. People seem a little bit woke to it. Now, though, I mean thegist of place down if you're unaware it has an ability where it can't bedamaged by a v Max that isn't lasion. So it's kind of like a counter v Maxdeck, the the damage output on it isn't phenomenal. It does hundred and fiftyand thirty snipe. But I would say, that's like enough to deal with likesingle prizes that they might have tacked into their back and soften upthe the bigger guys on the bench right and that's the thing to is likeremember that when you get a Glasinatz, your opponent can attack with their Vmaxes. So they have to bring up. You know smaller guys and commit usuallymore energy to the smaller guys, so it's different from Zamaceis's in thesense that it's maybe a little bit easier to power up in the fact that youhave. You know, Frost Moth. If you decide to play it right, you gotMelanie. So it's maybe a little bit, I hesitate to say more consistent butlike on par with consistency and you're, doing a little bit more damage andyou're setting up chaos right. So that's the thing: that's Amazen can'tdo you can't with glaciarium, can't really build something up on the benchtoo safely, because it can get pinged and then again you're. Looking at liketwo pangs with that thirty damage, and then most of these are going to die toyou know the Max Icicle. You know two pangs sixty damage on that bench,pokemon that you're trying to build up, and then you hit it for a hundred andfifty and that's going to be a knockout right. That's just not something thatis amasene can do. I can't really pre empt future attacks. I also like theglacial that played the Intelligo Line, so I also really like the Italian toping some damage on the side of the board to kind of supplement Lacian. Youknow relatively meager damage output, yeah, that's a good idea, and I also Ilike the idea of having the intelli lines that lets. You also find stadiumsif your punic does play a path to continue to bump them, Yep Yep exactlyso I'm a fan of that for sure I have a quick question for you. What are youyou, a bigger glaciated or a bigger decidi stand. I feel like Lacian just better. I thinkthe problem that I found are that I would imagine, would happen with withthe DECIDUA deck. It's just that they're not going to be consistentenough to get rolling in the you know early turns like they should lose tothe Ersh, Fu and telly on tex like without they should just lose to itright because, let's say let's say the Urshot gets. You know the rapid flowbefore you can get into you know to decide. Well, then you lose two Ralleslike I don't know how you really recover from that. Additionally, yougot on tell you he's a lot of pressure on you to right. You got a Italiansthat, are, you know, sniping your guys setting them up, for you know doingstuff, you know getting knocked out and and they can do seventy damagethemselves, so I just don't see how decidua makes it through a field ofErshi and Talian. That said, that said, I do. You know think thatthere are, you know if the format ever shifts away from Erchu and Talian, thenthere is some potential for deciding, but that's why I like the glacial, Ithink lacy on's, pretty cool, pretty neat, definitely has some some spicystuff that you can include in the list for sure and yeah is, I think, just generally thebetter Waldeck, and I think I see that going forward. I think laydown isbetter poised against the two decks...

...that we had previously talked about aswell. Although I do think Decidi has potentially you know, run like a veryheavy scylan with her field stadium and the the snorts kind of emulate, theRosa that you're losing sure sure yeah. Definitely that's De last two decksthey want to talk about. Turbos Asian with an Telian is been a pretty populardeck and some post rotation events. Honestly, I'm not personally the hugestfan of this deck, but it has seen some success and I think one of the biggestthings that has going for it is it's really flexible in terms of the buildlike in how much and what you play in it. You know you just got like your forZosin and maybe sozomen Tas and Telian, and then the decanters to play withyeah any other thoughts. You have there definitely yeah yeah, no for sure rightand like I think that that build the sashed k. They are like, of course,they're going to be better when you have you know, metal week, pokemon right so the lasionand, I think, more importantly, the Ice Ritter, but I feel, like I don't knowit just ice triter. Doesn't I was kind of singing its praises towardsthe end of this format and I don't necessarily know what changes all thatmuch, but it doesn't feel like a great deck to be playing next format in icerider if you're thinking about it for the full grip series like it's not abad deck by any means. So I think it's you know in that tier two range hightear to range, but I just think it struggles a little bitwith some of the other decks. You Know Jane, ratter and and Erchu. I thinkthat waman shade rider yeah between the two, but that's my take on it yeahdefinitely definitely. Last then we want to shout out is a new deck fromrevolving skies as well and that's eques of V. Max honestly, it feelssimilar in shadow rider in the fact that, like you have this amazing lategame, where you draw your whole deck and you can power up ridiculous amountsof energy ever return and deal crept on a damage. I think the the downfall overeques, in my opinion, is your your pokemon powering you up, isn't thesame as the Pokemon, that's attacking and drawing you cards. You have twodifferent guys in Rigue, where a shadow writer is the one guy shund the littledudes and reques of the flais are very, very susceptible to a attack from apreviously mentioned car g Max Averso Yeah. Definitely, I think, that's thebiggest hurdle that the re quasi mex that has overcome right, because you,you think about the car just inherently again like this is a broken cart whereyou have unlimited damage potential and you got to draw ability, you know itjust like it's good. It is a good card and then you pair with flappy, likethose that's a good combination, kind of a tried and true combination. Youhave that built in consistency. It should be good at some point over thecourse totally rightly, but a better deck. It's Rax, but you get to likedraw carts yeah, it's so crazy, it's so crazy. So it is it it's quite the deck just juston a conceptual level on a theory level, but then in practice you play againstsearch fedex and you're like okay. Well, I got both my you know, sheep knockedout on the second turn of the game, and you know where do I go from here,because I can't really accelerate into my ray now. Will somebody break it? Youknow play a new list. That's that's different! That's unique possibly, and I of course like you do as rose,you know right, you have rows so, like maybe there's, maybe you just play ahuge rose engine, but I think you know we've seen Andrew hone play his versionof the the Raasa deck and he likes to play those very streamline deck. So,like I couldn't imagine a more consistent, build coming out over thecourse of the weekend that could you...

...know outspeed the the the ersh fooddeck yeah. I would agree. I ud agree. It definitely seems like a monstrousdeck, but we'll just continue to run to that problem or or some people snakeoff little shoe boy. I know it's a shame, it's a shame, but that's justthe reality of the format. Right now I mean we've always had kind of gatekeepers, especially recently. You know it may have been earlier, a TP or Peker,and now it's just er Shafou, and there is some fairness. I think thereare some strategies that you can use to counter. Shafou things like you know things like what's shoot, my brain is fried. Idon't know my brain is: What's the what's the special energy removal cardfan of wave yeah fan away, you got like fan of waves, you could possibly playto like remove an energy attachment. You got, I don't know, there's no realhand, description which is kind of tough but yeah. You know that's likeone that comes to mind off the top of the top of the Dome piece, but it's really like to be there.Shafou ye have to play like a direct counter to it, or at least not have youknow those weaknesses of trying to evolve a pokmon on the bench yeah wehate evolving, yeah dude at it Ed yeah, Hammers Yeah. We got ten type sayinghammers, you know same thing, it's like. If you can maybe steal you know anenergy attachment away from Erchu, because those are pretty vital,especially in the Italian build. Then you can. You canmaybe try to even the even the trade out. So I think we've we hit on a lot of thetop deck people are thinking about in terms of viability. I also think we kind of wentin about an order that seems appropriate. We hit on a lot of these cards already,but from evolving skies. Is there any additional impactful cards that youwant to call out? I think Rayhan is probably the mostimpactful. It probably does slat right into Thersh, Fu, deck or Weinen, justbecause you can search it out. It kind of becomes this stand in for the karate belt that wesaw played in the last format, and so I think it's just a natural inclusion,maybe just as at one of but the fact that you can just search it out whenthe turn that you need. It is just too good to to ignore so e e H. I thinkthat's the most obvious one telose broken yeah super broken for sure. Theproblem, though with that, though, is like because there's no reset stampright. So if your opponents taking a knock out- and this is what bothers me a little bit about ry hand-is that if your pones taking a knockout, presumably on your bear, they're takingthree prizes and their hands is going to be huge. So if they're playing adecent deck, they should be able to respond to your Riho. Theoreticallyright, so I don't know it's us in the Rihana game. Very true good point didn't even thinkabout winning the game. You got to try to do that at least didn't even think about it, so yeah. Inow that I now that I know that you know you can try to Ryan to advance theboard state enough to win the game I'll try to keep that in mind yeah. You know when I play it there you go.Hopefully that helps yeah. Quite the inside Riley. Quite thesay there are a couple other cards, I think yeah. If you want to talk aboutthose other ones to yeah, I mean we hit on some of the use, just by virtue ofthem being features of some of these decks. You had mentioned the GlarinAricuna as well kind of joking LE earlier we're talking about the my last ex up, but obviously being able to acceleratesome energy potential inclusion and chatard caleras. We call that out whenthe car distres revealed and then another card that has people excited,maybe a little more niche, is the MEDOC...

...being able to do that. Yoga kick andskip your opponents turn, especially when you have like Antillians to kindof manipulate the damage and potentially step those knockouts up isdefinitely valuable. I don't know if it necessarily has an exact place, but I'msure someone will find it and really awesome use for the card yeah. Definitely I mean it. It's likeone of those cards right. You can see the potential right because justgetting another turn is generally pretty good. Yeah on did try to limitit because you can't use it over and over again. That's true. That's true. Idon't know quite how you would do it. I guess you could like if you're knockingout samples or something right you get two pings off and in Tellin and thenyoga loop or something but yeah love that it doesn't do very significantdamage and that definitely keeps an in check to, because I feel like the pointthat you're yoga looping, you know like that card. May maybe could havebeen something that you know gave you a big bigger advantage earlier, like I'mjust struggling to think of a time where yoga looping is the only way thatyou win a game right. It seems like a little bit of a win more card,especially when we have yeah, because you're probably playing that in youknow an Ersh Fu build right where you're sniping a bunch, but we alreadyhave snipe modifiers right that we talked about earlier so yeah. If itjust doesn't, is like if you take one and you walk out right, like maybeyou're going to maybe have like three rises left and they have like a sableand huge resiles on their bench or something so you like yell, Snipe, Kaothe Saval, and then you double snipe the Dezia or something yeah yeah andlike the the counterargument I'd give to them, is like I don't know you couldjust have played better early. That's mycounterargument! Just in yeah, I just just win forehead.I agree so heading into standard w. What is your top choice? Well, I Idon't know whether it is the top choice, but it is my top choice. I will beplaying the Erchu maltres deck for the full group Games Tournament. Unlesssomething catastrophic happens, I do feel likethat's the deck that I don't know if it's the best, because I would saymaybe the Intelli build has a little bit more versatility and it's lessreliance. It's less impacted by path of the peak, which I think is a you know afairly prominent card at this point in the game, but it's the deck that I feel the mostcomfortable with and the one that I know the best there you go her she few maltres. He heard it herefirst, so I think it's time for car the day.Dude. It totally is all right. So this card is possibly one of the worst cards that doyou already know what I'm going to say. You already know what I'm going to say.It's possibly one of the worst cards to have ever won. I A regionalchampionship. It doesn't really do that. Much isbasically a placeholder, but it was the perfect card. In my two thousand and nineteen row,Egg, vile plume deck, not flashy, in fact extremely ugly, artwork, the full art, Stephen, so Steven says, search your deck for asupporter card and a basic energy and reveal them and put them into your hand.Then shellful your deck afterwards. So you're basically playing a supporter toget another supporter and then, like you, get an energy but like it's it'skind of garbage, but the reason that this card was good as because, ofcourse, in that violine deck, we were trying to set up an item lock. And sothis Stephen functionally provided us just another Stevens resolve in Sanessence right because we could just grab the Stevens Resolve, which was thepreferred supporter. We slow down our...

...opponent. They can't play trainerswhich Moses deck relied on yeah. We were just looking for the the bestsupporter for the time yet Faba be at Stephens, resolve and and grab it out.So Steven was kind of that. That guy that you know underrated, yeah, usethat guy for sure and and got the job done yeah. It was always fun to Stephenfor a Stevens Resolve, so busted dude steven was also in another regionalwinning deck. When James Arnold won with the Lapeta, I was just going tosay, I think it had been in another deck yeah. That's that's the one. Itwas a very similar idea because Decidi vil flume was really popular at thetime and Lapus the whole point of Apriswasn't operated really well under decision, or at least that was one ofthe motivated factors of Labrus. So Stephen, of course you know, even ifyou don't have your your sycamore in hand at the time youcan always Stephen for one or like the end, or you know the lie sander orwhenever you needed and get the energy attachment, which was super importantfor both of the decks and questions so interesting that like, even though itwas kind of like a very niche, not super powerful card that it found likevery specific use cases yeah yeah exactly- and it's justinteresting that, because I feel like there are better cards individually,that you know haven't come close to the amount of success that Stephen has had,and yet Stephen has just been so important forvery specific uses. Exactly exactly that's an awesome car pick good yeah!Thank you. So let's talk about you letter challenge, then let's go let'sget into it. I'm excited for the UNINITIATED. Quick summary. The JIMleader challenge is a fake format designed by ANCHEMOLUS. It covers theexpanded card pool with no bands at the moment, and you can play one type ofPokemon card. You can play a maximum of one of any given card. Besides basicenergy- and there are no rule back- spoke mon aloud, so no exes, no tagteams, no gx is no vs, no prisms anything as a role box breaks a specks, a specks Yep. So the idea is that you're playing kind ofa six prize game you know head to head, but with just exclusively one type ofPokemon, and that means that ev does not count, except in normal type, decksright, so frame, that's the biggest FRA, that'sthe biggest loser of the format. So there's a lot of really creative deathsthat have come out of the gym leader, challenge format and Jana, and I werekind of getting into a discussion and Oliba decided that we could just talkto this on the podcast about some of the the best types in that format. Wecame up with kind of a short list in terms of what we think is the real toptier types and those are not necessarily in order, but those arelightning water and grass. So definitely some staple types within thegame in general and a lot of really powerful cards within each of those. Jo,you want to dive in a lightning to start sure so lightning, as I wasthinking about this over the week, I've seen a new variant of lightning emerge.Now I had initially thought lightning was pretty mid ter, you know, of coursehe have Zapdos, which is generally good. You Got Electric, maybe Laffy, whichare just good cards and you had like Rico, and you couldbuild up a huge Rico and it's a tank and it can go. Take you know multipleprizes, but the way that I've been seeing lightning be built recently hasbeen with the amazing, Rare Rico and putting a counter energy on it. IFFYou're behind out prizes. You can all...

...of a sudden do a hundred and twenty tothe act of a hundred and twenty snipe, which is, you know, usually enough to take twoprizes in a lot of cases. So you have that you of course, still have thisAptos you have maybe Anthros and Lux Ray, which can also reach those highernumbers. The the luxury can hit for one hundred and sixty one hundred andeighty, if you have a muscle band and then two hundred and ten, if you havemuscle band and e power and then the Anthros just of course it's anotherattacker, but it evolves from you know the Flaff, which I think most ex willbe playing, so I've been seeing just kind of a a a newer style of electricthan I had seen before, and that's what really excites me about the deck I hadbeen up till maybe yesterday and I'm still not completely off this train,but I had been solidly on the dark train and I look at dark and lightningas being very similar types. However, lightning has a draw engine that darkdoesn't have yep dark can take multiple prizes right. We were talking about theRico and lightning, but dark. Has the Gus Lord take those multiple prizes youcan ramp up to over two hundred damage with the weevil. Now it's dependent onwhat your opponent has, but abilities are just so big in the gym later.Challenge format that that we vil is pretty consistently hitting, for youknow a hundred fifty two hundred two hundred fifty, so you have that oneshot for one energy and then you know you have the Hoopa and the Zap tosthose kind of switch in hit and run attackers. So there's a lot of thesesimilarities, but the thing that dark doesn't have is that draw engine. Thebest you can do is go back, draw two into Croat draw three right and thoseare you have to have those cards in hand and they're only a one time effectand they're. Not that me look hards they're, not that many cards right ifit was like play at draw seven like okay, yeah we're shipping dark, that'sin Su, but you know play a goal bad to draw to it's like it's. Okay. Itdefinitely gets the job done in certain circumstances, but it's not electrode,which is a consistent filled afore or it's not the s of strike which isdiscard draw for. So that's where I'm at right now, I feel like there's a lotof parallels. Dark has a little bit higher of a damage camp than lightning,but lightning might be just a little bit more consistent in the long run. Sothat's where I'm at in terms of those two decks yeah. I know we weren'treally talking about dark, but I just felt like there's too much of aparallel between the two decks. So God me point yeah, lightning, lightning,super good type right now are we also got a couple of other types Raly. Whydon't you talk about the water neck yeah before we hit on that? I just wantto say another thing about lightning. Is I e, I think one of the big thingsfor it is it's really efficient with its deck space right, like you, have alot of pokemon that offered utility and then also can either attack or offersomething else to your deck. So you have like the flap he devolve on theAMPRE is super efficient. The Amazing Aer Rico like sneak sector prizes,which it just increases the efficiency of the deck and such a super streamline, which I like that a lot yeah water is a very explosive deck. It's very focused on getting out youraccelerators, be it a blast, oice or a frost, moth and powering up bigattackers. We have seen historically we've seen some like my Loti amazingmare, coyog, builds, which I don't think are horrible, but I think thepremier way to play water that we've seen is really just using that frost,moth powering up a giant uncapped attacker, which is where it shines. Themost water has a multitude of uncappedattackers available to it. Where you can keep attaching water energy anddoing more damage. You have. The labrus, which has hydro pump costs one energyat just thirty, more for every water attached to it. I think it th thirtyright. No, not twenty...

...yeah, okay, I'm not going crazy yeah,and then you have the whale Lord, which has two hundred health, which isridiculous, and it also has hydro pomp and it's forty times, so you can do somuch damage with the Wallore so fast and it's just a huge tank. It's prettyuncommon for a JIM leader challenge, Pokemon to be able to reallyeffectively hit that number at least consistently right and then water alsohas really strong support cards in the format for it. So you have things likedive, ball and Brooklet Hill to easily search out your Pokemon, you haveartillery, which draws up to five every turn, which is so good as well t likecards like frost, moth and blast toys that clear the energy out of your hand,which is like main thing that clogs your hand right. It's just it's just awesome how howpowerful water is- and I think that's really what you're going for is like anawesome explosive like these huge turns. Were you doingtons of damage and have these giant guys in front? They just can't beknocked out. Oh totally, it's the absolute beat stick deck of the format,you're, just able to ramp up damage so easily and so consistently and the Nicething about the water deck is that you have a little reliance on like your prizesright. I think it's maybe one of the least prize or it's the most prizeresilient deck, and it has a lot of different routes to do the same or asimilar thing. Yeah. Exactly because, like you know, you got blast voice,which is obviously your ideal. You Know Deluge Pokemon, but then you also haveyou know the frost month. So, like you got, you got, you know a stage to thatyou're more likely to prize that's a little bit more powerful, but then youalso have a stage one that can get the job done. You got a bunch of different.You know like we were talking about those attackers that can just rap up toinfinite damage so like it, just all really works together very nicely, andso consistency is definitely key. You got the actile ry. I mean it's justsuch a good car that has kind of a laundry list of of just really goodeffects that these pokemon can use. So in fun fact, water is the most commonpokmanty, not necessarily in the cards, but in general generally fit well we'llsee if it's most common in the tournament there you go we'llsee. Last of our big three here, J W acusthrough grass grass, the grass we were talkingearlier before the cast just how good the individual cards in grass are rilla very strong card. It's you know,unlike the other rain dance Pokemon, just because you get to search it outof your deck. So it's just going to be. You know not as explosive, but maybeover the course of a long game. More consistent. You have Venus or to justdouble that you got a a energy from your deck for turn. Let's see yeah disgusting Bro. How can it lose? YouGot Shift Ry, which is a solid attacker draws cards for you as well. You gotvile plume that can shut down opponents items and items are extremely importantin the the gym leader challenge, so there's a whole host of stage toPokemon for grass and I'm even missing a few, but there's a whole host ofstage to Pokemon that, like individually, are just very good cardsnow. Getting them into play is another issue in and of itself, but that'swhere grasses strength comes from is those very, very strong stage. Tos thatallow your you know a rude to do big damage that allow your skep tile to dobig damage, your shining genesic to do big damage, and so, if you're able tofind you know a rilla and a Venus or like you're just going to town, you canprobably sweep in a lot of cases with...

...with that Cambo yeah and the search ingrass with the POKEMON. It's so good, you have. You have multiple pokemonthat search out other grass poem on. In addition to have like Tur Field to getthe evolutions you have force or giant plants to continue to evolve the pokeman that you've just searched. So it's definitely a super evolution,heavy deck. I think, in contrast to water, though, because you're in asingleton format, every single stage to each piece is a liability that can gointo your prizes. So if your end game Cambo is like a shifter and a Unicornplay and a nine individual cards that are bad for you to price yeah and like completely like slow down your gameplay if you prize any of that as well yeah, definitely so it's kind of likehires Kai reward right. You have just like all these super good cards, butthe risk of prizing them is, you know pretty high, so yeah I would agree, but I think it's you know kind ofcomparing it to the standard decks. You have that insane power curve or if youget to that late game grass, is just ridiculous. You're, consistentlydrawing cards, you're pulling for energy from your deck per turneffectively, with your stage choose out your got infinite damage ramp on someof your grass poem on. So certainly the potential is. There is just superdifficult to get all the way there consistently do.Definitely. Definitely, okay, so we've outlined you know lightning and by extension,dark we've outlined grass water. What are some other decks that you wouldfigure? At least, maybe you know said those is maybe the top deck. What aresome other ones that you would figure to at least be in the mix yea, one type that I really enjoyedactually and it figures I really enjoy like the color list. Pokem on so colorless is a very disruptivestrategy. You have a lot of pokemon that you know kind of work against youropponent. You have your Regie Gigas, which is just super tanky. You haveyour cincin and your COYOTA line. You have your a Rangur and just play a lotof destructive cards, and if you manage to like find just theright things, you can kind of prevent your opponent from really effectivelyplaying the game. I think some of these decks that we just talked about,especially though water deck can be pretty resilient against that kind ofstrategy, but it's a really fun one to play andit's fun to see like the colorless pokemon band together, you know yeah,like the depth of the Normes, like that you said earlier, super normy. Another type that I thinkis interesting is is metal because it's kind of similarand that you have like pretty tanky pokemon. You know they will try to tank a hit and then likeslowly will or pont it down, but in more of a damage way than than a millstall kind of way, and that's always like a fun strategy to play right, likethe big tanky boy, that you move all your energy off of a D and apotion for Sherald off of- and you know, consistently that's a strategy thatpeople enjoy Yep. Definitely definitely so. What would you would you play colorlessmore as an attacking deck more as a like stall deck like? How are youenvisioning colorless, more of like a stall deck? You know you play you play.You Sit! Your reggies in front you right right, the late game to get morestall cards back yeah. You can importantly loop thoseguys because I've seen I've seen the colorless deck be played with Porion. Iwas just wondering your thoughts on that. The porion version is cool toright. Where you can, you know, get all...

...your special energy into play and likeget really cool tax of, I actually do like that version. A lot as well, andit's it's funny. It's just a completely different, take on Collis as well,which is one of the fun things about Glcnaora that you have so manydifferent routes that you can play these types as well. We talked aboutamazing Er Cooker, my Loti versus you know blast toys for water. I think you know powerful colorless energy aswell as just a awesome edition for the for Tao for sure for sure great card.It can also abuse things like triple excel. Double Colis twin Ergy, a littlebit better than some of these other variants, yeah. Definitely how about fire fire, I think, is okay, fire. Just doesn't excite me in thesame way. I think that, like water or grass does- and I think watersprevalence also makes it more difficult to justify fire when it does such asimilar thing like, if I'm going to play like asimilar kind of accelerate deal, big damage, kind of archetype yeah might aswell play the mirror match instead of the auto log right knowrest. I don't know if youhave a similar take, but that's my take yeah now I agree. I think waters kindof rise to prominence and perhaps just as being the the benchmark deck of theformat, really makes it hard for fire tocompete. I think, even without the weakness like, let's just say, we wereremoved weakness from the equation. I still think the tools that water hasare just better overall than what fire has you know, of course, fire you arenot relying on a pokemon to accelerate energy. Necessarily, of course you dohave m bore if you need it, but you got the blacksmith. You hate the welder, sothose are some benefits that you have, but on the other hand, there's not agreat draw engine for fire. You got the Del Fox but stage twos in the Glcnaora,something that you want to rely on. Necessarily you know in every game to have so itjust feels. Like you know, okay with water, you got the actilly that's goingto come into play. You know more games than like a Adel Fox wood, and so there is Salasah t that yeah I mean yeah yeah. You could do Salazar sure,I'm sure I feel like I haven't seen Silas as a card in the fire decks yeah,like B, be highly played. I could be completely wrong on that, but I feellike I haven't seen that like at least Andrew, I think has moved away fromthis line. Yes, yes, but I'm you presenting it as an alternate eateroption. You know more comfortable to artillery yeah for sure for sure you know, and then you compare thatwith like a MA cargo to consistently draw cards, it's just still kind of hearkens the same thingfor me, though, where you know why am I not just playing a water deck yep? Maybe that's the wrong train ofthought. Babe! Don't prove me wrong. I'm open to that. I think fire Poke Monare cool, but well, I think I think Kevin Baxter has been working on aspicy fire list. Well, you know: Kevin Baxter is historically a huge fan of MBor and Del Fox in the same deck. So that doesn't surprise me in one of counts as well. So he'sactually like the perfect guy. For this he's the perfect guy, absolutely very Kevin Baxter die yeah.No doubt no doubt any other types that really jump out of you. I think like we were talking aboutfighting as being something that seems like. Okay, like you have just fighting,is just it's fight, guys right, so you're just doing a lot of damage asefficiently as you can. It's got a couple of Nice. You know stage tos gotgarshasp in there and a few other ones...

...you got have the nice of a choke in themiddle to for them. You do have the night yeah absolutely, and then youhave nice search. If you can get a guard chop out and you can get the get the Lucar out, then you can searchfor a card to turn, which is, of course nothing to scoff at so there's somethings that go for it. Some things that are maybe runningagainst it is that there's no real surprise factor like you're generallyfor the most part just swinging in as hard as you can to the active pokemon right and there's no real kindof like spookiness about that, your generally, your attackers are going tobe a little bit. You know meteor in terms of HP, butthey're also going to take a lot more to power them up to do the meaningful damage. So youknow there's pros and cons. I just unfortunately, without a solid, drawngin for fighting. I think it just has to stay in the background yeah for sure. I think I think thedecks that we see mean literally the decks that we havein the top three have like their own self, sustaining kind of engine rightwhere they can't either drawcard or search cards, or do some sort offunction of the game on their own on the board. Yep Yep. I think that's definitely whatseparates you know the good from the great in this format. So one last type. I want to ask youabout j w the fairies to the fairy busted. So must we love I wish we just had. I wish wejust had like one more block with them. Man, because I feel like there are somecool things that fairy can do, but just ultimately there's just two few cars,like you just a note already set them yeah, you just run out of cards orputting weirdly tough. That does like sixty e. like that's yeah yeah, becausethat's the best you can do so. I don't know we have ten types saying that youcan do fairy control like yeah. Maybe you got the you the floor. Ges, that on a flip, canput a put a card back on the top of your deck, so, like that's, definitelypossible, there's, maybe a few other cards forfairy control that could work. You got the you got the basic POKAMAL, the thestage, one, the robomedic. That means that your opponent do. You know thisone yeah, the one that prevents the gusting yeah yeah, so that could bekind of cool too, but I don't really know where else we go do really know.Where else you go with that, yeah well figured at ask so Gw. We talked about your top pickfor standard format. What's your top pick for the gym later challenge? Well,I think it's going to be dark, because that's what I have the most cards for and that's what I've tested like theheck out of so I'm a little hesitant to like pick up a deck that Ihaven't really played so like darker water is probably going to be what Iplay, but I'm leaving that a little bit openbecause I'll have Saturday night to like test with the boys, some boys yepthere we go while you heard it here. First, W is a man of the darkness. Heis a dark gym leader and he's playing Galerian maltres for his standard deck.That's where I'm really a man that lives in the darkness. With that, no, I think I think we'vehit the end of the episode we have. So. Thank you all so much for listening. Ifyou want to support the podcast or you're really excited about the eventsthat we've been talking about and want more of them, you should choke outfolio games, foger games, com or Fulgoso. You know, they've been a huge partnerin the podcast and super excited about these one case. So again, if you wantto support them, please do you can also find us on social media,namely twitter, at tag team Pokemon for the podcast or for US individually. Wegot smiles with riles and Real John Walter on twittere yeah. Absolutely ifyou want to check on the podcast being...

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