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Season 4, Episode 14 · 5 months ago

4-14. Shuffle Debacle

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

JW walks you through the recent Twitter riffle shuffle controversy as well as his top 10 decks from the Fusion Strike metagame!

Welcome back to tag team everyone, the pokemon trading card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is JW creewall and I'm joined by my good friend JW Cree Wall. How's it going, JW? I'm pretty well, doing just fine. How are you, JW? I'm doing well as well. Where's Riley? That's good question. Riley is he's doing work things. You know how it goes. I forgot until just the last second that Riley would be gone. So that's really on me that you're just here and here in me today. But we still have an amazing episode for you tonight. It's time we talked about the meadow. We've kind of circled around the metagame, but it's time we give our our opinions. Are Our tier list, if you will, for this set, for this you know, for this this time period. Right now, there's a lot of things happening, a lot of new decks, just a ton of decks overall, and it can be really overwhelming to sort through for even casual players. But even the competitive players have a really hard time right now deciding which decks choose, what decks are good matchups and things like this. So I'm going to give you my top choices for this metagame. But before I get into that, let's talk a little bit about what everyone comes to tag team podcast to learn about, and that is twitter controversy. This week in twitter world, I don't know, people make the jokes that, oh, I can't go on twitter anymore because I just get upset, or they make the meme where they open the keyboard and the laptop and they see twitter and then they close the laptop immediately, and I don't know. For me I really enjoyed twitter. But this week on twitter was the great shuffle debate. You say, yeah, what is that?...

You know, maybe some of you are saying, what is that? The Great Shuffle Debate of Twenty Twenty one was spurred by toward reclose tweet saying, PSA, please don't ever riffle shuffle your opponent's deck. You should also stick to mash shuffling instead. So toward is kind of assuming that maybe there are people out there that don't know that you actually aren't supposed to riffle shuffle your opponent's deck, like maybe they don't know that that's bad manners. On the surface it seems like a very you know, innocent tweet right, like you know, maybe there are people that haven't played and they just don't know not to riffle shuffle. I have never had that happened in my twelve years of playing. Never once has somebody picked up my deck and riffle shuffle. Now it's still something good for people to know. The let there was this big kind of uproar caused by the tweet and that's, I think, the real interesting thing is, like third, I don't think met this like maliciously. He wasn't rolling anyone, he wasn't doing this out of malice, but it brought a lot of people to the comments saying, you know, I you know anyone that that riffle shuffles decks. You know, should be go, you know, straight to straight to heck. They should go straight to heck. They should you never be able to play in an event ever again. You know, they people go off like on our freaking tangent talking about, oh my gods, should can't you know? I'm going to sell my cards after why would somebody ever riffle shuffle? I can't believe they're going to damage the cards. Don't they know it? And it's just is too much so of course I had to chime in and I had to say, you know, spending all this money to go to regionals, you know, that's that's fine, but the real, great, real nice thing about going to regionals is riffle shuffling someone's Max rarity deck. That's the nicest thing. I got...

...a few comments and people message me in there like man, that's that's not a very nice thing to do. That's that's really rude of you to you should never riffle shuffle. Okay, I get it. Nobody, nobody's actually going to riffle shuffle. Just just chill, TCG, twitter, just chill. You're okay. We're going to get through this. Okay, onto the tier list. Let's talk a little bit about what we got going on in the world of poke. So fusion strike is hot and heavy right now. There's a lot of things to cover. So I got my personal tier list. Riley, I'm sure, is in somewhat of alignment here on what I think is good. Obviously the number one deck should be no surprise, but I think leading up to that there might be a few things that might make you turn your head. will get Riley thoughts on that in a following week. But for me the number ten best deck in the format right now is rapid strike in telly on. Now it seems like a deck with a lot of potential. The vmax obviously having that sniping ability to discard a water energy, hit your opponent's bench Pokemon, two of them for twenty damage, does a hundred forty damage, picks up an energy back to hand and you can loop that turn after turn. You're going to get the energy back to and might be able to Cheryl Heel your opponent's attack. It's not really something we see in the format right now. A lot of heavy healing base decks, but rabbit striken telling on is that deck. They can just consistently heal turn after turn, negating any advantage that the opponent's trying to trying to get a tax for one energy does pretty meager damage, but again you figure that you're going to mitigate your opponent's advances with the Ryls, all while dealing a hundred forty damage, possibly more depending on if you play water energy. The reason...

...that this deck, I don't think it is picked up much ground. It's that I don't believe there's a perfected list for it. We've seen some list that include water energy, some lists that don't include water energy, some lists that are really focused on healing, some list that aren't focused on healing. Can't quite say how best to play it because I still need to get my reps in with that deck in particular. But rabbits, I can tell you on still has a long way to go to kind of feel like we're in optimal territory or widely recognized as being, you know, the best version of the deck. So coming in a number ten rabbits, for I can tell you number nine, our first dark deck in what will surely be a theme of this Tier List, gang are gang Oar v Max. That I'm really excited about. I love it. I think across the board has really nice matchups. You know, you're looking at maybe lefyon is being a bad matchup. You're looking at, Oh, potentially, you know, a turn it is being a bad matchup. Potentially something like Joeltian being able to snipe your bench dudes is being a bad matchup. But you're smacking around. You I mean it is close to having an autowin. I don't think it's the most Auto Winnie deck that you can get against me v Max, and I'll talk about that in just a second, but it's right up there to energy. You know, unless the opponent plays fan of waves, are crushing hammer in that mew deck. Probably not getting around your Gangar. That thing is eating you up for breakfast, spitting you out and probably eating you again for lunch and then spitting you out, then eating you again for dinner and spend you out like Ganger. Certainly has to be in the conversation again just because of that mew meet vmax matchup, because we've been talking a lot about new vmax. A lot of content creators talking about mew vmax having little to know negative matchups. I don't think that's truly the case. But amongst a lot of...

...the top tier decks me you can certainly out class gang are not one of them. Also put it on the tier list here. Azul really likes the deck. You know, there's a couple ways we can go with Gangar to another list that isn't quite perfected. Do you go with the Slimmer Hound Doom version? Do you go with kind of a higher hounding version like you play and telling on no one telling on? I like the version where it's just gang are and and how doom and then you play turbo like crammomatic and battle VIP pass. I think that is probably the best way to play it, in my opinion, so go with that if you're looking to play a gang are coming in at number eight and kind of a product of of the dark decks that are just smoking. The rest of this tier list is leafyon. This is I kind of qualify this as like an old faithful style deck. It's not going to do anything cute. It's not particularly strong. We've seen a rise in the number of stadiums that most dex are playing, so it feels kind of, you know, like you're always on edge about whether or not you're going to have your Gal our mine and play every single turn, because I think a lot of stadiums, were are a lot of decks right now are playing, you know, three four stadiums. So you might not even be hitting for the maximumount of damage. You're not going to be hitting you for all that much, even with a gal are in play, but you do take some really strong matchups against, you know, the the the dark decks of the format, particularly the dark week deck or the the grass week decks of the format. So anything with a number on in it you're pretty happy to see. Moving in to a number seven. Now this might be controversially high for some of you out there. You might think to yourselves, JW, you are maybe overhyping this deck for no reason, but I really do feel it has a place in the metagame, if only because it's...

...the one deck in the entire format that has a one hundred to zero matchup against me. You v Max, and that deck is a Turnitis v Max. You cannot lose to me. I will prove it to you. Go Watch my latest youtube video. You cannot lose to Mew v Max. You take that to the bank. If you ever lose to Meu v Max, I'll personally give you a refund from your purchase of this podcast. Personally, I will do it, I promise. You cannot lose unlosable matchup. You say. Well, JW, the mew decks, they have the lot of us. Certainly they can stall out, you know a few turns. Absolutely not. You can gust around that, you can maybe escape up around that, you can umbreund around that, you can play Multris v, a lot of ways to get around it. You do take some bad matchup suicuon and Ershafu, but again that autowin against me. You have so much hp they don't have an opportunity to one hit Ko. The eternity is vmax. Unless they stick a stadium and play, unless, I says, stick that old cemetery and play, there's no way for them to get a one shot on that v Max, which eliminates a lot of worry for the eternity this deck right, you're not going to be worried about whether or not that would be. Mexic going to stick around for a long time now. You're going to struggle. Urshfu is certainly on the rise. I would say it was kind of down in the doldrums. Certainly the rapid strike or Sfu down in the doldrums, down in the dumps there for a while. Seeing a bit of a resurgence. We obviously always have to worry about single strike or Foo,...

...but against the best deck in the format, having a one hundred to zero matchup has a place and it comes in at number seven, number six along the same vein. I don't want to talk about this deck for too long, but is obstacon. So we've talked about this in previous podcasts being kind of that fun rogue deck. The one prize deck of the format. Is Really not other one prize decks that are even sniffing tournament ready play. Maybe Malamar, Rabbit Strike Malamar, but obstacon, that dark weakness again, having a pretty good matchup into me. Would I rather take a turney too, Sir Obstacle? I think I'd probably actually rather take a turny to into that MEU vmax matchup. But I turned to struggles against some of the other decks that obstacon can at least have a little bit of a better time with. So obstcon here at number six, a viable one prize deck. This is going to be just a little bit of a shorter episode today, so we are hopping right in to our part of the day now. This is a card that I'm trying to build it up a little bit. This is a card that you could only play one of in your deck. So okay, that should already warning bell should be going off in your head. It's in a speck. Okay, it's a nice speck. And this was a card that I changed in my list of my first regionals winning deck. In the registration line. So back in the day there wasn't our canine labs. You didn't submit everything online. He actually had to wait in a registration line. They took your deck, they took your list. It's very similar to like a League Cup, where they you would hand in a paper list, but this was at a regionals and they were like foreigner people there. We all stood in line as stand in line. I was thinking to myself, man,...

I would love a way to manipulate energy such that I could get a giant mew to x going, because the deck that I was playing was Verisian mew two. So what you would do is you take for Isy and X, use that to accelerate energy onto your mew two's and then just go swinging in with me two to close the game out. And I was like, well, I wish there was a way to just build up a giant mew too. Now I played energy switching that list, but I wanted something a little bit better and so I went with the card screen, amble switch, a speck card. It actually fulfilled two purposes for me. The first purpose is, of course, being able to build up those huge attackers to scramble switch it allows you to switch your active to a bench pokemon and then move energy from that active to the bench pokemon. So fulfilled that of being able to your kind of move energy off of the active that may have taken a hit and put it onto the bench pokemon that you want to attack with. You know now. But what it also provided was a switch out and that was very valuable because you wanted to have all the different ways to, you know, as many different ways to get out for Asian X as possible on that second turn of the game. All right, you want to attach to it first turn and then attach to a second turn and be able to use its attack accelerate some energy from the deck. So you wanted as many switch outs as you could play as well. I think I had is either three switch in the scramble switch or for switch and the scramble switch. But certainly a a game winning card in a lot of situations. I will never, never talk bad about scramble switch. What a card fulfilled a niche that it needed to fulfill. I don't know that scramble switch has ever won or ever been in another regionals winning deck. I don't know. I may have made...

...history. I don't want to speak too soon. been a lot of regional since then, but scramble switch, you'll always have a place in my heart. Speaking of having a place in my heart, it's the holiday season. Don't you know someone? Or maybe maybe you want to treat yourself this year with a nice stocking stuffer from manscaped? Thank you so much to manscaped for sponsoring the podcast tonight. manscaped has the tools to guarantee you win this year's white elephant, guarantee you win favor amongst relatives, friends family. manscaped is the leader in men's below the waiste grooming and they have served more than for million man worldwide. I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time this episode airs, that number has gone out of you know, out of my ability, like if it's actually five million men. I was wonder about that. On McDonald's signs, you know, they say over what ninety nine million served. Like surely that would have changed since I put up that sign? I digress. Over four million men served worldwide. So get twenty percent off, plus free shipping at manscaped dot calm with code tag team. Imagine if Delhi bird comes down your chimney this year and gives you a manscape product. You could be that for someone else or you could treat yourself. Do Your voldtorps right. Twenty percent off plus free shipping at Manscapecom with Code Tag team.

That's code tag team at Manscapecom. Check it out. You might enjoy it. MANSCAPECOM CODE TAG team coming in at number five on our tier list. Rapid Strike Er, Schufu v Max. Now this is a deck that kind of fell off everyone's radar at the start of the format and it's slowly creeping back because that's just kind of what ar food does. Turns out sniping is good. Turns out playing fighting like fighting is is just a generally good type. You're swinging into Joeltion's for weakness, you're swinging into gang gars for weakness, but then also you could play it with the multis. I really think that's where the deck shines. I've always thought that. I still think that right. Moultras is so good into Mu Vmax. They you just gotta play it. So multis. Where do I think Moultras can actually work? Because the problem with Multus against you is that mew has so much access to the opponent's bench pokemon and so much ability to knock out opponent's bench pokemon that you need to be able to build up a multress in one turn. So what we're seeing from these rapid strike or food lists is that they're playing not only an increased multus count. I think three is the correct number. Honestly, I really believe I've said that for the longest time. If you're playing rabbit strikers, Fu Multis, play three Moultras, play as much basic energy as you possibly can, because you need those multresses to pop turn after turn after turn after turn. But the way that these players are getting ultras into play...

...powered up in one turn is with Ryhan, and so you're seeing an increased count of Ryhan, to Ryhan, possibly three Ryhan. It's not for the ARSHIVO. I mean it is for those like that. That's just a good car general really, but it's more so for the multius. You can slap a multraus down rye on an energy to it, attach another energy from hand and then use the dire flame wings ability on the multress. You all of a sudden you got one whipped up and even if you're on the four prize turn, you potentially have another chance to do that again the next turns. If you're playing into the MEU vmax they can start really hot. Absolutely, but if you're playing into the UVMAX deck and they only take two prizes on their first knockout, then you have the opportunity to go double moultras into their muse for two straight chaos. It's not the easiest deck to play, I'll give you that, but it's one that I think more players should be playing. And again, that Ryhan Multras Combo is what makes the deck even remotely viable. So if you're thinking about this list and you're thinking about testing it, that is kind of where I would look. Increase your count two, three, if you haven't already, and then test two or three Ryan, what makes more sense. How many basic energy do I play? Still think it's good deck. I think it should be played a little bit more than it is, but coming in at number five, I think there are some little bit better decks, maybe a little bit more consistent decks, that we can look to. Certainly one of the most consistent decks in the format, swee Coon, coming in at number for. You got some nice consistency with the Melanie decks are loading their bench. We're seeing a lot more battle VIP...

...pass index or, you know, things like a turn itys which is just going to want to fill their bench all the time. So we can's nice. So weekend is a very wholesome deck. Does have someone hit Ko potential. I think you probably do want to include looty Colo in the lists, but it's just a little bit outclassed by Joeltian. Has a good matchup into the swee coon. Me You actually does have a good matchup into this weekend, especially with old cemetery. We can just talk about that math for just a second. So if they stick an old cemetery down with them you and you attach an energy to a sweet coon, you're going to take twenty damage off the cemetery. So then, even if you attach a Cape of toughness, the mew deck now only needs one single power tablet to knock you out if you have those two damage countersign so it's something to think about there. That matchup is, I find, like bad for Swee Coon if the me you doesn't play the old cemetery and like pretty horrible for Swee Coon if the mute does play old cemetery. So just think about that and then leafing. It's not a particularly good matchup either, but even so, swee coon, I mean it's just consistent. You're drawing cards all the time. You got the Italian engine, get some one hit Ko potential. You're doing good work against most of the format. But you're going to take a bad match up to Joel Te on. You're going to take a pretty bad matchup to me you again, especially depending on what stadiums they play. So so we can come in at number four on the list. Number three and the best deck if you want to play path to the peak, jolty on v Max. Jolty On v Max is kind of supplanted drag a Pult v Max as being the snipe path deck of the format. We all kind of thought maybe drag a pult could hold its own, but we're really seeing now that there's just...

...too much dark in the format. Single Strike Erge Foo, obstacleon turn it is gang are umbreyon just solo decks. Like there's so much dark right now that is impossible to to play a deck as as slow as Dragon Paul Right Because Dragon Ball doesn't even take one shots. You're using your supporters for the turn to draw cards, as opposed to mew, which can use its supporter, you know, from turn one on to gust things. So you just you're just much slower than the mew deck. You just cannot compete with the with the dark decks, all the dark decks in the format right now. But Path is not to be underestimated. You still got a lot of abilities right now. Just going on the list a turn it is mold trace, the UMBRYON GENESSEECTV Sui coon. I mean there's so many good abilities right now. Path the peak not to be under sold. Can stick at the right time. You go path, Barney tail as old as time. Call a bell, call up the beast. Joelty on solid deck. You're going to struggle with the fighting decks. That goes without saying, but I guess, as much else, you give yourself a very strong chance. I mean even against the fighting decks, path is strong. Path is very strong. Marnie's very strong. Joelty on Solo maintenance, you can really get away with running high accounts of those two cards and punishing your opponent single strikers. Foo is...

...number two. I don't think that's a surprise. Everyone should know that I really am a a big fan of single strike Ersia food. Now I like the turbo build of the single strike ars for I have been playing with both the standard build and then the build has chromatic nvip pass, and I really have had a bent towards that list because I find that in the single strike deck there's certainly a number of cards that you want to include, but kind of the simpler the better, and you really just want as many ways to get out pokemon on that first turn as possible. That sets yourself up for winning or losing at the end of the game. It's like whether or not you can get two hound our out with an attacker with an energy right, and if you can do that, probably in pretty good shape. So I like to play it with a chramamatics. I like to play it with the battle VIP pass. I think that's just a way to go. I think that's just the way to go. You're free to disagree with me leave a nasty comment on this podcast saying JW, you idiot single strike er who doesn't need battle the IP pass. What are you talking about, Bro but I really do believe, my heart hearts, that the turbo build is where you should go. Now you're taking good matches to mew, you're taking a good matchup to Joeltian, you're doing nice things against things like it. Turn it is. You're giving yourself a shot in every single matchup. It's just the consistency factor. Now people are saying mew has a, you know, fifty with single strike. I haven't personally seen that. It's not. It's not a horrible matchup, but I still feel like it's solidly in single strikes favor.

I've played, you know, a handful of times of that matchup right. So again, that's that's a personal bias. The data actually suggest that there is a fifty matchup. I don't quite know why. Again, the consistency probably plays a major role in that, but from my perspective I haven't found that to be the case. Single strike has one probably about sixty five percent of the time over the mew in any case, coming in at number one. No surprise. Mew the Max the most consistent deck of the format. It just does what it needs to do every single turn. It has one hit Ko potential and I firmly, firmly, firmly believe the way to play Mu v Max, not with Peony. No, you're playing it with Kramatics. Great Card for the deck. Battle the IP pass pretty good card for the deck. I think kramatic maybe a little bit better for the card because it can reduce the amount of cards that you have in hand while also digging any card out of the deck potentially. But mew so strong across the board, consistent, fast, one hit Ko potential, doesn't really have a lot of tricks. I actually I was thinking about this today. I was like how nasty would it be if they had given mew vmax like one more different attacker that did something just a little bit different? Like what if they had given the mew deck another basic pokemon that could spread or something? You know, how much better would it be? I don't know. People have been playing Mellowetta in the deck. I like that. Or choreo probably should be out by now. Mellow what a in the deck? No, or...

Choreo and then just play a turbo screw the peony. I really like higher accounts of alsa sparkle. I put that out on videos this week. Or I played a couple different builds of U v Max, but the higher like three a Lisa sparkle, because the thing about the mew is that if you can get a turn one at Lisa sparkle going second, then you can threaten those sobble that your opponent might be playing, those hound hour that your opponent might be playing. Right. That's super valuable to get that first knockout. It means that you don't have to go through to vmax pokemon. You can go through a V and of vmas our, Two v's and a one prizer. I really think the three ELEAS of sparkles a way to gun and trust me, if you haven't played it, if you're if you're down to two, just try it. It gives your deck a little bit more aggressiveness and like even swinging into a v Pokmon for seventy damage, you know, again, assuming that they don't get a one shot knock out on their next turn, assuming they can't do a hundred eighty damage to you on the next turn, you're setting yourself up for success by doing that little seventy damage into you know, and Evolving v Pokemon that's going to go into a vmax right, because then that means that you are going to need as many of your power tablets I it just makes sense to me. I don't know, I don't know. Let me know which thing. So that is the power rankings are tier list for today. Thank you, guys all so much for listening. We appreciate the listenership. If you wouldn't mind, you're already here on spotify, Itunes, wherever you get your podcast, please go down below and leave us a comment. Rate The podcast, review the PODCAST. It helps us...

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