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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 23 · 1 year ago

2-23. Tabletop Simpulator

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are here to share their experiences in the infamous Tabletop Simulator. Don't worry, unlike the rest of your Pokemon Content this isn't a tutorial.

Everybody welcome back to tag team, thePOCOMON trading card games for mere podcasting duo. My name is Raleyholvert joined by my good friend, GW CREEWALL GW has a hangit, it's hanging pretty well. I got somenew Blue Lig glasses dash. My wife is very excited about there from diff. The maker is diff and apparentlythat's like the toms of glasses, because they like give a pair for everyright, and so you you may know my wife is like asuperbig Craig's listter facebook, Marketplacer,and so she got these glasses for an insane deal when they normally likeretail. For like eighty dollars, he was selling me. I got him for fifteen, so pretty cool nice. Do you feel thedifference like when you're looking at screeens? I do. I had been wearingthese bluelight glasses, but she said they were ungainly m t definitely very orange and theykind of are like you know, some don't know. I look like doctordisrespect or something like that, but yeah mustach leans a little bit into theGamer Zone, adefinitely a huge game. If I want tobe a Gamer, I wear these and then, if I want to be, you know a an incightfulhipster. Then I wear these. Do they have like similar levels of Eficacylike do you feel like they prevent the strain in aboutequal amounts or is one better or orth? I would just say that, since it likeit's, a change of color, probably the other one, is feels a little bitdifferent ecause. It also like dims a little bit the orange colored dims, butUm yeah. I mean it's, it's fine. I definitely do feel a difference, justwhether I wear these glasses are the other ones. Just knowing that I canlook at screens a little bit more safely d. do you like sleep better after liking sscreens, Teno ear e actually had been before I got the orange glasses, whichwere like, maybe two or three weeks ago, like I was finding. Actually I wasgetting kind of ice pasms and then I attributed it right 'cause.I was looking at a computer screen or something for you know. Most of the day,I attributed it to the blue light from the cmpier and since getting you know apair of glasses, I haven't noticed the the twitch, so it must have been ityeah I've been cured. I I know I have like trouble falling asleep when WenI'Sng, like my phone without the night shift, is a good example like if I yingin bed just fralling through my phone. If it, if I'm using blue light, thenI'm much more likely to stay awake than if I'm on the night show right on theiphone so yeah. No, I definitely notice that too, but I always have usedtwilight or some other similar APP Yeah Tan to get rid of that yoladys flockson my computer yeah. But then I start en. Whenever I do like graphic designstuff, you have to ta turn off locks, 'cause you're, your a sense of thecolors is going to be ofk, what's actingl on the screen right, so I endedup just like stop using flash. It's a good piece of software R right for sureand a's the same effects right. You know but base on the time of day coolwell speaking of computers. Lately the the world of online TCG hasreally been expanding. People have truly forade into the magical realmthat is table top simulator. I feel like every day I see another ou two aretrying to make a tetorial on how to do to Abou Simulator. I don't know whatthe deal Wat that is, I guess they're just trying to hop on the trend. Sure Imean it's still dvil Lav me later, you know takes some getting used to. I Ifeel like once you actually used to it actually feels like a pretty passableway to play a card game. Yeah, it's okay, it's okay! I think the the kindof onboarding is a little bit difficult...

...for some people, but, like you said assoon as you get used to the mechanics, you kind of see these certain thingsthat okay, this makes sense. 'CAUSE, I've already used it in thisapplication and then, if I do it here, then okay to that- U know s thisalready to try to do this effect, but then it's very applicable over here,and so I think just the on boarding is very difficult, but as soon as you getinto it as soon you get in a flow, it's a really nice program yeah. I I thinkthat the place where tabletops and falters right now at least for Pokamocards, I think as a program it actually does its job edominally well, but specifically or prom cars. I thinkwhe're. It struggles is with like weird pokamon cards like Marny, that likerequired, this very oddset of action like even within like a physical realmlike it's o, it's Ao AEA like hat. In that little thing Idefinitely isn't yeah. I remember playing you know when we back when wehad physical car tournaments. You know playing the Marnei and you're likeyou're, trying to pick up your deck, and maybe you don't pick up the wholedeck, and then you got hardlike flying around Y. U O Hore! You like forget tooffer your your shark hands. I on I, you know it's just all this awkworstuff yeah. So like that part, I understand the other areaso like any weird. Pokmon cart interaction. It's just like verynontraditional, like that, the other area, where I've seendifficulty it's just with like energy specifically or like things that getattached to Folkemon, it's like hard to stack them quite right. It's like anart and you get used to it yeah for sure. I wish someone would andI've thought about doing this myself. I think I mentioned this last week, likemaybe I maybe I just sold this to Andrew, but I I have thought about justas like programming exercise to like try and do a lot O ascript yeah. I justlike. I just don't have the time. I you know we we're doing the castle a littlebit earler today and I left work really late. So, like I really got home aboutlike twenty minutes ago, so I mean regardless. I I think it's ait's more than passible and I think you know that's kind of the foundationright now. We've had so many so many fourmats an hour. People have doneridiculous stock to try and do formatt before they come to t c. Youknow we do. We do scipe sessions, we do like tcgone, which that's probably myleast favorite mechanism, like all this kind of crazy stuff um, and I think tabletophim is almost seemsto be like the final form of that right, absolutely absolutely. Now, rily from afrom a viewer perspective, how do you feel like table top stimulator? Youknow compares to a real game of Pokman. I mean, obviously, is worse, but howmuch worse like a real line, game, apocemon yeah, I don't know, I think the most excitingway to watch folkman is actually just easy to go like Wa have you haveanimations and like y? U The movements are very smooth. I think there arenotable pros and cons a table top simulator. I think overall, is like aworse experience than you know like a traditional experience. Just because Idon't know- maybe that's just like nostalgia almost like an enjoyment ofthe the physicality of cards. You know. That's that's! Parb of the reason Ilike carginans in general to be honest, it's like the Physica, you o holdingcards and moving them around doing stuff with them for some. So that being said, I think there'ssome notable prosin costhe th. You lose out on Somehon, like the player feeling,I guess where you have like physical people moving round a d interactivewith cards, but you Gan you gain efficiency. At least in some area islike shuffling, is so streamlined and that's really the benefit of any onlinetool is that shuffling is stream line, which is the most time consuming partof any card game. Is The shopperling especially o like pocmant, or are youshuffle a lot? Yes, not every tcg shuffles as much asSpokmon Pokon Sholfhol is an...

...exceptionally large amount of times ina turn. That'ssos. Having is tream. Mind is actually really nice. I think.On the whole, I actually, I wasn't sure what I would feel about stable topsimular like watching it. I think, as people have gotten more familiar withit, and it's been less painful to like watch them go through interaction. It'sgo. It's gotten at least okay, like I, I think the only areas where reallyfalters are like those weird interactions like Marny and and Um. Youknow things like greatball th, like ther's, just a little more affor full. I I don't know L e. Ittakes more effort to do them than maybe I would trike to see, but other thanthat, like I I actually do enjoy watching it. That's good! That's Gooand you can tell you know kind of what the cards are and it's not like hard toread. I guess I guess that would be for me. The biggest thing is like I get thecomments where it's like hey could you you know turn up the Um turn up theresolution on the tabletop, and it's like, no, that that's about where it islike going to be, and just you know it's kindof blurry and things like that.I'm wondering how that is for you. I don't know like. Maybe I'm justfamiliar enough with the cards but like it, you know when I'm playing the gamein real life. I look at the picture across O me. I don't read every singlething: o ipone scars every single time like I nuc to know what the card is.You know when we go to world we play, we look at the picture, kN W Rightright,I I I I don't see a problem yeah. No, it's definitely interesting how and Ithink that speaks to going off on a little tangion. I think that speaks tohow a lot of players can get. You know certain interactions wrong or certain card text strong, because a lot of itis just this. This eyesight, you know Kioya. Looking at a card, you see youidentify the picture, you identify the color, the you know the look of it andthen you go from there right and you just oh yeah. I assume that this doesthis or I assume that rice interacts with this in this way and so yeah, it'spretty interesting yeah. I think maybe that complaint is a little amplifiedbecause of the fact that we're working like with new format cards short ouns,like people, might not have that level of familiarity. I think you know by alarge there's not too many like there's actually a decent amount of stoff indarkness ablaze, but there's not a lot of like crazy, complicated stuff andBost n. A stuff is like heavy hitter scoff that you've probably already seenlike yeah a e oplicated card. I'm sure yeah agree is aturnatis, O theres a lotgoing on there. That's a real funny one 'cause I'vebeen doing. Some table tops over the last couple of weeks with Andrew andthat's probably the most like asked question and the chat islike someone will come in and one of us is playing aternitis and someone willsay in thet chat like what's with your bench like you're over bench, I'm likeno, no, it can. It can fit up to eight so now and we ere having a reallyinteresting conversation. Prior to the gas 'cause we were tri was saying. Iwas musing at the idea eternitives and like alternative waysto play it 'cause. I was at work today and I was walking to get food and I'm,like you know, I'd wash I'd watched yourvideo to bout. How like Aturnthis, is like over hyped slightly and I like Hman. It has to be like some some way to play a turnist that just no one hasseen through the Thas Yeadr Seethrough, the fog M, and I walking around likeman like couldn't t turn it. This just t be like an optimal two hic Kaodeckversus other big pokes. Like you know, if you can't get the one Hicao, theturns can always guarantee it, which not everdect can boast that Rom and like, and obviously you can want oCho like anything under two seventy, and so I'm like thinking about this andthinking a d thinking like God. I wish there was a way you could heal it anddo all this kind of you know crazy, fun stuff and you brought up championsfestival. So we look up shainfestible. If youdon't know champions Cessel is it's a world's Promo, it's a stadium, and ifyou have a full bench and plus you act, Ta Pocem on, then you can heel ten onyour board. That's what we knew the effect hell ten from Helton from all ofrep yeah. So that was what we had...

...colloquially know. The effect ofchampion Sestimal to be- and this actually ies in, like both kind oftopics like wherer Yo, recognize like what the card generally does as opposedto thewords and they're complicated nature of atternatives Soyeh, Yo e'rLikeo. Maybe we can use that to heal and we look up champion pestimal and itsays: If you have six pokmotemplay, then you can use it and if Yos, I guess you just can't use im what theterm of this 'cause you have more than six, I mean you could use it withAterniniss. You just had to OAS I ad to have six yeah Ayou'relikthat's, sobizarre and it's like I doubt they ever thought about that, because therewasn't any precedent for a larger bench, size ability, ther Waspessin I for likesmaller bansizabilities, and then there was precedent for like expanding yourbench with like Skyfield for instance. But then, if that ae 'cause they play,then you would never have champions festival right. So so it was justbizarre. Itas crazy. I really liked learning that thoughyeah yeah, it is pretty cool, KINDOF, old and new world's collide long storyshort. We I tried to think about a way to play. The TURNIS is more of a Tankito Akaodeck and I guess we didn't really find anything fruitful, muny's, a good thing to consider likeyeah. I definitely you know I put out that video kind of saying, like thecounters, to turnitis an why it isn't. You know, maybe the it's not going tobe the deck that just absolutely runs over much of the format like it doeshave. You know it is a good deck. It is her one in my opinion, but it's notlike the one. You know it's not the B D. I F. I think there are a lot of thingsthat can go Tototoh, but you bring up. Another point is like: How will we seethese lists evolve into the future and what will they? What will they look? Like I mean wehave these really Nice base lists Andrew put out a very good baselist ofalternatives. I think there are a lot of good baseless out there for many ofthe archetypes that come out of darkness blas, but how will wereimagine them, as the format goes on? That's really exciting, because we havethis kind of initial thought and then you know you go and test that thoughtand you know modify and change it up and and then we come out with a moredevelop forman nd. I think that's really now we'r moving in it almostfeels it's weird to say, like the set is what three weeks, four weeks awayfrom dropping and H, it's tob, some dropping well, four weeks from beingplayable, I guess, but, like you know what isplayabl, you know at this state ofthegam yeah, but that's what I'msaying is like it's interesting. I I feel like for this set. We have morealready in the time in the short time period, like we have more of adeveloped idea of what the format will look like in you know so far you knowPABIAA. What am I trying to say? We have such a good idea of the formatbefore the studyven drops. Like that we've had for any other format, I feellike I'd say yes, and no I mean normally, you know at on present day.We normally be talking about the world format right Y and I feel like e. Weput a lot of effort into our world sessing at least last year. An I feel,like Yo, got a pretty close socize. The fact that we just didn't know Muto wasso good. Well Yeah. It was interesting, though 'cause we kind of picked themEan all quiet worlds. Oh, it started mean it developed into something, muchgreater and honestly, I still staynd by that, if like if we knew what we weredoing with that, we could have definitely done better yeah. It's true,it's for sure. True, it's for sure there was. It was still a little bit inthe meane zone, but I was also like partially informedby. We thought the medal was going to look like which was incorrect. 'causewe weren't factoring in the Wolderdex to the level that we should haveyeahabsent nongreens Walterdackit is absolutely so whatever you know, bygonsbygons we're talking about cardy. If you're not familiar Um, we playGuardiar AV worlds last year. What I'm saying is like I feel likejusttying, is together we had what we thought was a good sense of what themeadal would look like, and it was correct for a large subset of players.There was another someset of players...

...which completely blue our our minds,basically about what we thought was realistic and possible for the form ofhow we STOPP Pidgy. We saw like these weldermututax that were various shapeforward and very strong, obviously on one perament, and that we have like thefirebox tack, which obviously were staple for the entire rest of the yearYeahso. I guess what I'm ultimately saying is: Don't count your chickensbefore they hatch, Mster, dw. Well, her sure, and then I mean you look at inour position to and just being, contentcreators and being kindof voices and just saying like we have to make decisions at certain pointsright so, like you have to make an opinion, you have to develop an opinionat this point and so yeah. Of course. Of course, like I'm always open, andI've always said, like the early opinions are some of the most fluidright in retents that they can chnnange the most. But I think there are somethings, some truths that have develops over the couple of weeks that we'vebeen doing table top and- and you know just theorizing on the on the newformat. I think one of those things is that ADP is still very, very good and we weretalking about like it dominated two four manths ago. It maybe wasn't asdominant this last forma, although still had a very solid position in theMedagame, but I think it comes back into prominence because of the lack ofone prize attackers like spiritomb and vabble athlon, like those are BabyblSeton, still a deck, not saying that you know no one will ever play baby BSefon and to an extent, I'm sure spear tomb is a thing, but it's veryobviously not the same deck that it once was, and so you look at thedecline of those two decks m for me being the reason that ADP justvaults itself into arguably the best tack in the new format. So obviouslyADP remains as like a powerful force. I doesn't really lose anything and the fact of the matter is doing thirtymore damage and taking an extra prize when you have Zausians and your neck.It's just good so that all follows logically makes senseto me in your experience. Is there anythingthat really consistently stands up? I mean I think you can make a case foralternitiss, but the weakness there, an eternitises is that you're, not quiteon the same turnclock like you, can't really guaranteee winds in the same waythat you can with ADP the thing with ADP and the atternattise matchup s thatyou don't even have to knock out in a turnet. You don't even have to hit intoan alternitive to win the game like you just you just dink around theatternitits go after two crobats and that's the game and like we're kind oftalking about well, maybe there's a way for alternative to. You know not benchas many Chrobas ut the point that you're not benchoing, crowbads you're,not really getting the damage that you need to get out. So it's Thi's Kindof atight rope here, it's not to say like that alternatives can't be at ay P'cause. It certainly can, I think, that's the deck that goes tototo withit. The best in the next forminth yeah. I'm curious. What kind of oneprize solutions people will come with? I I feel, like people always start withthese insane one frize decks and we get narrowd them down at like someconsistent masterpiece. I haven't really experimented with oneprize to be honest in this form of I've, mostly looked at her. This is kind oflike my kind of deck. You know fill your BANC, you know Sur, I mean it'scool, I mean it reminds me a lot of like I mean honestly, like a Zauradeclike a Zorik Skyfield Deck Um, I'm Alwa, not quite the flavor that that' a sureor you know that's just like best flabor of all times, but you know it's it. It hearkens to it. Atleast. You know it gives you some of that satisfaction of hitting a lot ofdamage with a large pinch. Having a wide bench is kindof fun. You know itis man like when you're like when you're pushing your opponents to bothsides. You, like Aman, can I eat a...

...little exroom. I gotto win. Anotherthings are going down, you know yeah. The fact is, for a sigoand makes itbetter right. There you go so you know it all follows it all makes sense meanit definitely. Does you know the the other deck that I'vebeen really impressed with in their early testing has been decidui. I thinkI knew DECITU. I would be good to an extent but kind of playing it as as theyou O, essentially the Agradeck that we all just wrect regionals with. I thinkit has a lot of promise again. The one problem I would say with it is like itjust has a hard time with ad p you've pretty much got to lay his Ashian down.You got to get you know a couple of decidiout and you're not doing enoughdamage quick enough to like take out the one prize threat. The A DP couldpotentially play so that to me feels like a deck that ifyou can figure out, attech or m some way, some strategy to beat ADP, andthat would be for sure, like a toptier contender. Yeah right now probablyfalls in that to your two category, but it's just something that I've beenlooking at and saying. You know this. This can actually work. This does havea lot more viability than maybe I initially thought. I thought it wasgoing to be good. I didn't think it was going to be as good as it turns out. Itprobably will be honestly my initial impressions of decision. I were bad,I'm not going to lie like the fact it was on a stage too to get this abilitywhen we've had. You know similar dects on Basic Cocoma to do this and I didn'teven like those decks, but so you know t the shift the dynamic there and I I don't really know, what's pushingdecisy that didn't push those other decks when they were quicker and moresimple but Um. You know, I think the forma L iscentered itself enough around these multiprize Pokmon that it just makes itan easy contender. You know exactly for sure so not the kind of DEK TAT. I like, thoughI just I hate playing this kind of dexman it. It really sucks when youjust hit like a one prizor that plau throughbefore you could do anything. Definitely man. I totally agree. I D N'Anay strategy be like predicated on my appoint not being able to do anything. I do know simple er, some TAK INL, notevery day it works. It works a lot of the time, though I got ta say no. I just think that general strategyis never one that I've liked. You know it's Ot, so much like like you'll winwith it. You'll you'll play it. If, if you, if you you know felt like it wasthe best play for the tournament but right you would never default to it.Yeah I mean the only time. I've really liked to deck like that. Wis when Iplayed the Bio Blume Dack yeah, but you really liked that deck though, but helot o thinking. You know I put a lot of time, Ino, that deck and like yeah itwas very methodical and Um. You know it was also just like such anexceptionally obviously good play that it made senseto W and you're, and justso listeners now you're talking about the colloqaly named colloquially namedWanky smacky. As for Axia, which is a Mildeck staldeck focusing around youknow Reggigis and has a was it a, I mean it was a what three or threevioplume or something like that. It S A retle bit of Sigar two, Oh two, threeOu, two, oh three: Oh two: okay, eah threwout, two vioplume line blockingthe basics from attacking so just kind of this wall deck that you could put upanything to respond to your ponents and just eventually mill them out. Esenchovilla rings up in chats not to shift gears too hard from Bipli. USancravilla bring s up an interesting point. If you're worried about any fighting CTin terms of ATENTII, you know the only one I've even seen like worth beingtime at all has been like,...

I don't know, say it Sayit do I say my orgrow was that Ivn'tGiveit, a platiform brosait. I can't man, I I I over the Pasimian rabbithole once and now. Clearly the deck that he's talkingabout his x control. True, true, EXODEL! That's more fun, though ex drll failing failixg yeah, O like A. I was actually a big Pacifian standlike when the deck first became like a real thing, when cavabaxer played it toTALP thirty two. I have worked on that so hard with him. Hadingan, that's WHA.I just didn't play it, so I yo know with you failings peoplewho like are about like I know. I know the hives Righti'm run with the BIBES,but righ Jeez, the those got a dakjust they're, the worst er petybad. Theyfeel so bad to play. EPRTY they're, awful man, Likeyai, don't know! If youin terms of being worried about any fighting DEK, I mean fighting at leastright now. Until we have colossal is not a tear one deck it, it's simplyrelegated to being a COUNTERDEC solely based on having the weakness on Aternatis andthen again I mean alternatives. W, like we have previously stated, isn't theyou know catch all best deck in the format. In my opinion, maybe it turnsinto that. I don't think so. There are a lot of ways that can be countered andsome bad matcheps that are already kind of showing up in the testing and Um.And so you know, fighting is only relevant because alternitive isrelevant. An atternaists may not be like the best stick that we thought itwould be. You know crazy, crazy, bdif or something like that, and sounfortunately, finding NEX- I wouldn't worry. If atternatise becomes insane,you know if some Bild comes out or we just find that Hey aternas is actuallythe best deck after more testing more reps. you know you can always includeweakness, P or weaness card right. If its in right into that Colo O isEnergies Loteahso? It really isn't that big F like there is a counter thatatternatise has to these fighting decxand again, that's not like aperfect counter, but h in the sense that you could always whif the energyattachents or not have it on the Rapokemin or they could gust around it.But there is that answer that you can play that should help you in a fightingmatchop, yeah yeah. It's just my kind of logic, and it's almost like the samereason. I don't like playing the counter. Ishdaks like the Hoopahs andthe and Tsiwise is the same reason. I don't like playing thes like weirdweakness: Teks, it's like you're trying to do one thing right and if your ponhas away around that thing or you don't hit the right matchus like what's eventhe point yeah and none of the fighting decks, I Idon't think are stand enough stand up well enough on their own to to justify playing them and it it hearkens back to tesimingagain like if Pacinian truly wasn't a viable deck.When Zarak W dominated the entire format. Why would now failing to beADACK EN WE'RE? Not sure that eternative is even the best? Tak rightright and I mean- and you look at falings too, like it has less tools Ifeel like than Pasimian had in terms of surcounter attackers and counterattackers, and things like that right right. So it's really just it's kind ofthis one track mind that I'm not really seeing having a lot of other goodmatchoms outide of, like maybe Pekeround, but obviously we're talkingabout next format, so lightning isn't a factor either so m Y. I think you couldmake an argument for failing in the kind of h the the worlds forat or theweird the lost format where it's...

...ultraprism to darkness a blaze. Youcould maybe make a case for failings, but they'll be on that oet beyond that.It's hard to say that that that will be much of a factor. has anyone likeinchat put any credence into the lost form? The TC go formad for like two twoweeks that wha I mean there are going to be tournaments, run ing that formatoutside of like some Gras Rath ones, yeahgrassords, tournaments, yeah interesting. So I mean that is going tobe like the t s standard as well for two weeks I think t it'll be fun. I'mreally looking forward to vecavle. Actually, as that that to me likeVcaboles, I think is going to have a hard time without something likethundermountain or something like countergain, and I think, if it has,you know some way to make it so that you're only attacking for one energy,that's kind of what it needs. Vigabl still feels like it has a place in thepost, otation format, but, unfortunately losing thunder mountain.I think it's too big of a loss for vigavolt to be. You know to be like atop TI again like a probably atertwo deck is a vegable inpost rotation, butlosing out on that one energy attack possibility is huge for that day, yeah only there is a way to attach to energyfit single attachment man. If only can you imagine such a thing, that would just be actually just abroken card. I feel like that should never be printed. yeahthat would totally imbalance cardsthat are yeah right, right, Attah, yeah or if they made something like that,maybe it just goes away after the turn is done, or it's like only limited to certainPocomon, maybe not the most powerful ones. Yeah t a they'd have to do somethinglike thatright yeah. I think they would have to right make it a balanced cardso anyway. Well we'll get back to the DEV team. On that one you know I was Iwas never intmdce is inherently broken. I was on team the cards that had DCcost or broken yeah. I I don't think I was there too yeah. Iwas there too. I was like I was more of a fan of banning skyfield. No honestly, I mean like exercisemeto too. I mean re right yeah,you look at Sizeoto or like even laser, like I feel like sizemetowed. Withoutlaser. Isn't that bad? I mean we look at ithere in the future format, where yea vicavle, the seven shoting inaternatives or seven shouting pretty much any other VMAC, no, thattimesizmeto with six shot, usually yeah six yad generally or if they had like afighting fruid belt, and like I mean you know, the math gets a little bitfunky and Verbank, and you know there's some other factors that you canconsider there, but yeah there's no real good. I guessyou could play vitality band and the vecabls and that Ou know O got zokayids,but it's a lot easier. Forside to sor to you know, get cleaner knockouts thanit is rebicable right is big yeah. When I, when it comes to DCE my Le Thought,and I'm sure this was the balanctims thought it was like. You know it's agood way to Ridge, an attack, that's too powerful for one basic energy twoweek for two basic energy yeah, and I just thinkultivaly likethey didn't hit that middle ground, quite right where the attacks ware dect.You were just way too good to to justify. I not doing it. You know fo,so you know. Maybe one day D C comes back: it Wa had a glorious run right,exactly cool yeah. Well, I think I think now asthe time we can open up the floor to any of your questions. If you guys haveany questions, we did BOT and talk about one other thing today, yeah, ofcourse we did want to talk about our experiences and tables tot sumulatorwith the QEES. Yes, yes, now the cubes...

...are something very cool I haven'tactually participated in. One tonight will be the first time, I'm hoping thatyou know everyone will be cool with me streaming. It 'cause. I think I'd liketo show how you know a cube can work in this format. Other people have stremedit, but Um. It's certainly cubing in real life is like one of the best waysto enjoy pokemon in my personal opinion, because there's a camaraderie to itthat I I don't know you don't really get in any other situation like likeeveryone, it's lower stakes than a tournament 'cause, I think Camaraderieis there in tournaments, but the problem with tournaments. Is that noteveryone's going to do? Well? So you know, OA are going to be smalty, youknow some people are going to be. You know, upset R, R or frustrated thatthey misplayed or something like that. But then, in a cube, it's so low lowstakes that everybody is just enjoying pogamon in his purest form, and that is one of the greatest things about qeuesyeah. I I I love like the jafting phase and like talking to trash and all yourfriends O K, Ow just liking your shirt offafter, like ten consecutive baby, flips and flinging it around in the Air S.something like that. You know I don't know who would do something crazy likethat, but I've enjoyed them. What's coolabout tables I sim. If there are some plugins which are you know, I don'thave to make them like someone else has already made them where you get likeautomatically pass the hands around and yeah like building the deck. Isn't toobad, and I actually I have that experience even before I played theCube 'cause, I playing bying kingdom on table to Oh Oan, Lik p, you w that's,also a drafting game and they had the same like pass the hand around but andye you know. I think. Actually it's systematically works pretty well aslong as you have a group that has a whole understand. Stale help them. Youknow, 'cause, one person are really controlled. The slowest person in acube controls the pace o they CBE. U W yen, tired, F her, so you know havingeveryone on the same page as far as like readiness is, is obviously key,but you know once you get that Nearodad it s, it's pretty good. It's prettygood! It's Goo! It's good e, H, TNO Yeah! II've enjoyed it and what's cool is like it's really easy to dynamically updatea cube with any card yeah 'cause, yeah 'cause! That's one of the things too islike with the fiscal cubes. You know you might have overpowered cars butthen you're like well. You know, if I want to play this again- and you knowbuff up this typing or Buffo. This arcacype, like I'm, going to have towait a little while they' like order the cards and you O, you might not havethe things that you need on hand, but with a cue and table Top seeme later just gohey. I want more of this card. CLONIT boom. It's there. You know it's R.immediately there that's very cool yeah, let's Ye have really dynamic ability tochange things and and alter things and rebalance types, and I like that, a lot. It's like a good medium to experimentas like, even in a future state where everyone's back to normal, like maybeyou're thinking about doing a cube, is a great way to test it out and see. If,like it's balanced or e, to rethink thing 'cause, they get expensive too,especially if ou're doing older formats. Oh for sure, these cars get reallyexpensive over time. So you Doni got money on an archetype thatjust doesn't work right right and that's that's also another thing tooit's like. If you are thinking about getting into cubes, I started as soonas possible. It would be my would be my advice because the longer you wait, Imean we're just seeing the card prices go in sanely high, like V. I neverthought you know. Some of these primes would get over ten or fifteen bucks,but here they are, you know, and it's absolutely insane. Some of theseliterally unplayable cars like never saw a single tournament play in theirentire lifetimes. Like are now skyrocketing, athins went over a hundred bucks orsomething l e, which one like dragonnites over a hundred dollarslight dragonite is one hundred dollars,...

Mor th, unbelievable t they're xausted.So you know this is important, ebay trick. If you're ever on Ebay, the listing price isn't necessarily thevalue of a card. You want to look at like the recent sales, and so they have sold from anywhere from likea hundred to one hundred and eighty dollars in Lik appl days, wow, that's crazy man, H and like yeah andlike somebody like Andrews, like he has like four or something in his cue,something like that where he, you know, he probably picked hem up for you knowten or fifteen a piece, but just looking at it like the card prices aregone absolutely and sane, like the Primes I've been looking at, I don'tknow, what's really spurred it on either like this almost a weird time toget into it. Yeah, it just seems like new money is coming into the in o thegame. Somehow people are like at home and just want to collect or W, and Ialso feel like big money is coming into the game that I mean. We've had somebig movers and shakers in the Pogama Comuiti, but certainly not you know. Well, I me maybe this this could be ouclueless. I am but like certainly not like millionaires, which I almost feellike at this point. There has to be some guy that just has so much moneythat he has no idea what to do with he's literally buying up everything. That's what it feels like'cause these cards that shouldn't be as expensive as they are ar superboosted in price, like not evenjust like. Oh I'm, noticing a difference like they're inflating bytwo three four five times what they were worth not even six months ago.That is absolutely absurd, so yeah I mean to bring it back to the cube likeif you want to start a cube with older formact cards, either, do it in tabletop simulator 'cause, like Riley, said: that's a good way to test and figureout like what you actually want to buy. But if you're thinking about doingsomething I would just start now, 'cause those old cards are not going togo down any time soon. I mean there. There is a bubble. There is bubble,speculation, that's a whole nother podcast. There is bowle speculation on the priceof cars, but um at least for now for the perceeablefuture. They should- and they definitely won't go down to where theywere. You know a year ago or two years ago, so certainly get in now. If you,if you're interested in making a cube, yeah awesome points and who knows maybethe investment pod gas is coming next? Let's? U Ine Cha questions here I see acouple already, a guy kid once Yo, one asking will blounds be good post,fortation, GW thoughts. BLONDS is fine um any time that you're looking at a oneprize attacker that can one shot anything. I think that has like aninherent amount of value in this iniformat in terms of like we're just seeing theHP go, go to a scale that we've never seen before, but at least there's kindof this check. You know I in some way that we have in our in our babblueCaffalon, and so I wish that it had one more buff. It loses heat factory. Itloses primarily the fire crystal. I wish it just had that one or not FIRECfiry flint right. I wish I' just had that one extra buff, like fiery Flam,was back or like even professor's letter just to give it a little bitmore 'cause right now. It doesn't feel like it has enough you're going to loseto a late game, men or lay Gamery sed stamp. Excuse me our La Ay Marni way harder than you did in fourmunutespast, and so that is the most concerning thing to meabout being able suppelon awesome deck should be, you know viable, but itwon't sniffed here, one without some kind of buff yeah. I agree. I think thehardest part is having, like a low hand, cost way to get a lot of energy to yourhand. Um, you know the UH, the giant hearth is not quite aseffective as having a firy flint, and...

...so the deck is a little bit stifled inits way to to get out of the gates yep initially and then also to keep itgoing Um, and so it's just it. That's like amajor major loss is the flint honestly, like every time I've played the deckI've loved having Flints in my hands. I love drawing them. I love continuing todraw them like sure early minthly, it's just a good car, so sure yeah they nowthe deck still has the tools. If you can get energy into the discard, likeyou still have the waste Yoa micle them over and over it yeah for sure nd, like God kid says,Lucky Egg and like spinner for getting energy out like spinner is good. Don'tGete me wrong there, but, like the best case of spinner, is to use it on thesecond turn, but since you're a lot slower, you're, never really usingspinner to like it's full effect, like I unitedlyaat many spinners as welllike right, like not just not even thinking about like Lake Game, notbeing a good car to draw like I'd, rather drowan energy, almost than a aspinneryeah in certain cases. For sure you know it's just like. Why am myplaying a spenter UN? I could just havet at that point. You know saying you know the turn to value. If you 'rethinking about you know, maybe you go second and just try to get an explosiveturned to you know what are Yo you' going to draw like three spinners likeokay right. You know. If you do N, then youknow you really ficket plan out one well Yosue, you ha one welder! You drawthree vitters yeah yeah, the lakame Um, the lakime with blounts is verydifferent. Now, because you rely solely on your fire crystals to get you thoseone hi Cao numbers, so you need to have enough fire crystals left in the deckto achieve. You know against vmax dex, two one shots which isn't always that viable 'causein the early game. You know you might have the discard wine like try to gofor a dedne or you maybe have used one in the early games to try to getsomething, so it just ist't a lot better in theory than I think it is inpractice. I think we'll see that play out blouns not dead, again, not sayingit's like nothing, its horrible, not saying it's on play, just saying it'snot as good as it was, which is I mean it's natural, which is pretty obvious.I Guess Teo fits in makes sense, yeah merciless,asking any dots on agrond with the sturdy ability and sturdy builtisanother one that I've never been a fan of just like. Well, I think, y. u lookat at a sturdy ability being something that's okay, we saw it with. I thinkDon Fan was the card in like losunder or something one of theanm has changed since then in the fact that we have a lot of dex playing scoopup, necks and six AG. Yes, and I was just going to say, there's that andthen there's also a problem with agarond being not only being a stagetoo making it just a little bit harder to get out the Don Fan, but also theproblem that you don't have a healing mechanic that will heal a e hundred andfifty damage aconsistently. We had last last chancepotion right, which is very good for Donfam, because Downton had like ahundred and twenty or a hundred and thirty health, and so last transpotionjust heald it all the way to full. So you look at that like. Oh, that's, agood Cabo like that, actually works, but like with Don fan or with Agron,you would need to get a last chance potion and a Postn, then like aMalolana or like a lasasposion and then a potion and it just that that extraCambo is what's Goinna. You know if it wasn't good already like that extra bitof Cambo isn't going to help what's set the last chance potion come in, couldn't tell you man, I don't know either I I guess I'll lookit up here. We can address the next question. What is the next question, or is there not an Nex question ofcelectial storm fleshshel store? Who would have no howoudhave thought Sionaraan Shel Star Wat such anunderwhelming D, a last CNOTON in it...

Rubat last chance, Posean top ERcontender, I didn't even know last yhance potionhas like, has two Dun spars on it. You know that no yeah, it has two Dunspars on the sins. You'll learn something new every day. You sure do one last question from tkeel and chatany thoughts on the HOOPA deck. Does it still like Guzma and dis that preventit from being good? I think you actually have enough switchwith the hide energy and the airballoon that it's probably fine. The problem with Hoopais that the damage output just laxs a little bit with Zaptos. The reason that aptos wasyou know very strong n like Tirendeck, is because the HP was a little aspect.Then you weren't looking at you, know, Vxspokman, and then you also had theadditional damage buff of electric power and so as not again,that's not to say, lakupais bad. I think it is a good card, but I don'tthink it cound be a deck on its own, because it's going to need some likeadditional damage. Now you migtmaybe there's a way to do like Hoopa, plus,like sable, I or something as like a is like that backup, sweeper Um, but justdoing ninety damage turn after turn. Isn't gonna isn't going to do it for you? I thinkin the long run, especially against these massive venaxes right. How iframeit is. You know, Zaftosas, a deck had two things that really were going for.The first was Guzma, which was ridiculous Ye. The second one was itthreatened a two hit Kao or one hi Kao on everything, Pokmon Wer, smaller backthan eighty damage itself was already good Um and then you know taking the next stepfrom that is yo threatened that Cao even a one hikeo on a lot of Fok Emon,so I think, losing the losing theguaranteed gost plus, which obviously hurts any deck. Without that strategyof you know, pivoting around and doing damage H by virtue of viviting Srbut,then just like j said the damage output being so threatened by the electricpower, not existing for dark types, nor should it rightthat. I I ston an archetype that Iwould pursue. I mean it'll, be fine again it. Itfeels a lot like a baby, W EODEC like just not quite there, but maybe someoneyou know Nickhil's bringing now. Maybe that's, maybe that's the state ofwanter eice teck right now, I don't know yeah I mean there, there's still alot to lot to figure out and h again. This is the exciting times. So we kindof have this framework framework. That's been built, the foundation forthe former husband built a lot of good lists of hem coming out, and now we getto Bild upon that and see what what can stand a chance yeah. I I'm excited tosee how everything pains out Um. Lord knows we get surprised all the timewith how people might approach a forman. So I'm excited to see what surprisingthings come out of this. What developments we get over in the nextfew weeks and what you all from Jack come up with, so one to extenda hardythanks to everyone and chat today want to thank Anjemahon and is Gercia Gregofor the raids. We appreciate all you coming from those channels and we willcertainly be t catching all next week, pace see a.

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