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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 4 · 1 month ago

4-4. TCG Live, TCG Laugh, TCG Love

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and fresh off the official announcement of Pokemon TCG Live!! Come hear some of the details: from the good, the bad to the uncanny valley.

Yo, what is up guys welcome back to tagteam, the Poke Mont Trading Card Games, premier podcasting duo, my name isRiley Hover and I'm joined by the one, the only my good good friend, MR J. UKree Wall, Gw how's it going today on pretty well Riley. How are you I'mdoing? Okay, man, honestly, I've been a little down the dumps last few days. Idon't know why, as because you lost all the Sara Tonan from yeah at the hugerush of Sarah town and it just all trickled away. You know, and I alwaysknew I could have that effect on people. So I think if the thing it's messed up,no but yeah, so you have not been doingwell. I would did okay, it's just that. You know. Sometimes you sometimes youhave like a week where you're just kind of like phoning it in all week. I hearyou brow like you're, a hundred, that's where I'm at right now, yeah, I'm surea lot of our listeners can relate and Riley and I actually met up thisweekend. We were in, if you didn't see my twitter post twitter, at Real JohnWalter on twitter and riles had smiles with riles on twitter,got a got to get those gotta get got to get on those got to get on it. Early,Wales, there's so on in there's, you've been you've been posting some fire.Lately I've been posting some fire lately. So if you're not already ontwitter catch, some of the funniest dudes inPokemon over there, but yeah post a little picture. We put the finishingtouch, I mean it was a business meeting. Wasn't it Riley, it sure was puttingthe finishing touches on the reveal of PG Live for legal reasons? That's not true, but I do think a fair amount of peoplewho, like my tweet, did think that was true yeah, so we're going to come clean when I initially posted the tweet I was.I was because I had no idea right. I had actually thought that PTSI wasgoing to be released over the weekend like during Ye know, even also the crap,the word yeah. So so I put you know, business related being, like you know,rilla. I we're going to talk the business of tag team, but yeah. Thenthey released on Monday and we got a you know we got to kind of like put alittle spin on it. So this one for sure I mean, let's just jump right into it,then so tg live is officially announced. We have been brewing on it now, for itfeels like a couple o weeks. I don't know month now, as far as like whatthat actually was. After the Code Card picture got leaked with the TG live,and it's here we got the trailer, you know reallyrunning off about a trailer and a website and apress release and between those things. I think we have a good picture of whatTgi is looking like. Jodo, you want to give us like a short and sweet sure. So CG live is going to be a newclient. There was some debate a while ago when they first released. You knowthe name, would it be a new client? Would it be a rebrandingand an upgrade of the old client pc, but we can confirm, of course, that itwill be something brand new. Initially, it looks to be very much a mobile, focused game. It will work on desk top,of course, we'll work on tablet, but it looks like they've really honed in ontrying to corner that online market. So we'll talk a little bit more about whatthat means, but you will be able to play on the phone, which is notsomething that peco could do you know legally, you could get around it incertain cases with with certain a PK and things like that. But now this gameis designed to be played on your phone, which is a huge deal it will play. Youknow it will play. Essentially you know the same right like there's. No newrules right is the same pokemon stuff, there's time or weakness, but besidesthere's Times turty weakness but other than that, and of course, of course that is a jokewho don't want to be spreading any misinformation Riley, but they made alittle little. GAFF and people have been making fun of it. The Times thirtyweekness was seen on a Sashi, an V which was just kind of just just alittle slip up, of course, and yeah we'll be functionally the same to youknow, playing the game and all the...

...cards are going to be there from thelost thunder expansion onward, and then they will be adding more playableexpanses as we go along so really looking forward to it. I think one ofthe biggest things, if I may, just throughout some of the things that I amimpressed with one of the biggest things that we absolutely have to touchon as a competitive, pokemon trading card game, podcast the addition longawaited of a ranked ladder Iley. What are thoughts? What are some thoughtsthere when I, when we talked last week about our wish list for tg live thenumber one thing for me, was a ranked ladder being able to actually trackyour progress in the Pokan trading card game and honestly, what kind of baffledme about to is that they had some sort of concept of like Elo, Mr because youwould get match against better players as you want more games, and you couldeven see this in real time when you'd see like a streamer playing a meme deckand then eventually they would just get down in fits of hall. So we can verify that that is somethingthat existed. So it was bizarre to me that that was there was no sort ofranking system go. What I'm really curious about is how the ranking system will manifest,like obviously, will have the ranked mode. I think, honestly, I think it'sgoing to be the primary way most people play tg live. You know, I think,there's a lot of games where you pretty much only play ranked mode and to methe trading card game seems like one of those. You know. Why would I, unlessI'm just playing like a beam deck, to burn some time Lil, you know why?Wouldn't I go into rank mode kind of deal right, but what I'm really curious about islike how it manifests like you know, what is the ranking system going to be?Is it going to be like an MR or Nilo kind of system, where you just kind ofhave your number? Is it going to be more like you know, Harston, where youhave like these ranks that you climb up? Is it going to be like legal legends or some other bigpopular games where you have like these tears and you don't see your exact Elo,but you know like Oh, I am gold or platinum right as I as far as I know like I feel likeit would be good practice to incorporate some kind of system andagain this is all pure speculation, but some kind of system, like B GC, haswhere it is that kind of teared ranking system until you get to, I believe, thetop five hundred where they give you an individual number it Simerton does toso I would imagine I would hope at least you know, because I think atiered system, just generally speaking, is maybe not as fun right. You can't gofor like number one ranking which I will be doing, but you know I would imagine that it'sjust you know general tears until you know the last thousand or last fivehundred or two fifty or whatever it it ends up being and then kind of buildingoff. With that. The next thing I'm curious about is: what sort of incentive will there be tobe a high rank? You know, will you get some sort of in game reward? I like acool sleeve, will you get CP in the future? You know what is the? What am Ifighting for when I'm T, besides just the pride sure sure absolutely it's ait's a bit of a slippery slope, but not unprecedented if they give CP, I meanwe've had recently the debate about cheating in a online sphere, and soobviously I don't believe that they'll be giving out. You know a world'sinvite for reaching them in number one rank, but something like you know, onepercent of a world's invite- or you know the equivalent of a Leaguechallenge win for you know placing rank one or top youknow five hundred or whatever. I could certainly see something like that beingincorporated again. It just gets, you know, don't expect anything huge likedon't expect an online world championships or anything like that,but yeah in terms of like will they do official events through the clients?You know I mean they've already done players cups through PG O, so I can seesomething like you know. A regional level event beingheld in Ptsd live again pure speculation, but they could do it. Ihope they do. I mean, do you have any thoughts on ranked in particulars thatI didn't already kind of mull over I mean ranked was the biggest thing thatwe all wanted. Honestly, if p TC live, was just pc with a ranked ladder. Ithink that would have satisfied like everybody, the fact that they're doingwell the I take that back it wouldn't have satisfied everybody, because noteverybody could be satisfied. I would have satisfied the competitive player.The fact that they're making a new client that presumbly will be you know,updated and...

...well taken care of in a way that PG, Owasn't always, and it is, is fantastic. Now Yeah you ask that question aboutwhat do you think we'll get for climbing the ranked ladder? The Nicething that I've seen so far from employees at the POKEMON companyis that they've been very open to you know, dialogue with the players, and I mean this whole. I feel like alot of the design direction that they went with for this game was built uponthat survey that they sent out. However, long ago, you remember that I doremember that yeah, but that t was that during pandemic. I can't rememberbecause I know that they've been working on this game since two thousandand eighteen sure, but even that so sure you canchange directions and- and you know, change courses and things like theylike which the hardest part of the game has to be like building the engine toplay cards right right and then you can make a lot of decisions on top of thatfor sure for sure so yeah I feel like the feedback thatwe've gotten from the POKEMON company. It really just seems like they'rethey're, trying to make an effort, which is very welcomed after many manylong years of silence and very questionable decisions, both competitively and just within thecompany. After many years of that, we're finally seeing kind of like anincorporation of of you know, developers or community, I reach peoplefrom Pokemon or just you know, people that work with Pokemon like that wereplayers at one point that still dialogue with the community there'sjust a lot of talk going back and forth a lot of communication, which I reallyappreciate. So when you ask do I think that there's going to be something foryou know climbing the ranks seems possible, or it at least seems like wecan. We can lobby for that. If it's not, you know immediately present in thegame. What I am very excited about with this game in you know, tandem with that dialogueis that it can hopefully change for the better and just kind of grow on itself.So I think we will see some growing pains. I think that there will be somethings that players aren't excited about when it comes to release, be thatyou know the whole currency system be that you know how it how it looks orfeels or something, but the nice thing is. I think that we're going to be ableto at least have our voices heard in somecapacity to potentially enact change in the future yeah. I think that's a it's. A veryvalid point. We've seen a lot of sort of openness from some of the developersand community at reach, folks in Pokemon, which is definitely a hugechange of pace. I was definitely excited for the fact that it's now inhouse- and this is not even a slam against Tirol- I just think- having nomiddle man to deal with there- just streamline the ability to actually makechanges and make the game better yeah. Absolutely I mean it's just youreliminating that that other voice right, so I just naturally makes sense like,as opposed to playing telephone with another company Dire Wolf. You get tojust yeah, tell your co worker right exactly exactly so. I think there's somany points that that we could hit on here. So we talked about rank, talkedabout you know kind of he, the general philosophy going into building this. Idid want to talk a little bit about some of the things that people areupset about, and I also I have some notes just about the game in general,but you know, I think, a big contention point for this game has been thecurrency system or more more than anything, to shift from trading intomore of a crafting system, so for the uninitiated to obviously you can trade,you kind of use packs as your currency and trade for the cards that you wantusing packs and CG live. Instead, when you have excess cards they gettransformed into a new form of currency. I think it's jams or credits, or something like thatcredits and each can then trading those credits for cards so more along thelines of like what you would do in a lightens of Ruter and a horse stone andmagically othering arena, a very modern way to kind of handle the card game. What is your initial impressions onthis change of you? I think it'll be overall good for thegame. I mean, let's step aside from the mems of it's a trading card game. I can'tbelieve that there's no trading in the game, but you know think about it likethis, like it's the game for the trading cards, it's not a gameabout trading carts right like like it's a game about the tree, kind ofmeaning it I mean yeah, but you get.

The idea right is like, like trading,is not part of the game right, like it's part of the concept of the cardslike right as they as a whole, but it's not a part of the actual game likeyou're, not mid game trading, your opponent, certain cards from your hand,that's just ridiculous right, so, like it's cards that create a game that yeah based around based aroundtrading carts anyway. So my initial thoughts about them,removing it I'm skeptical, but only because I don't know quite what the new system will be:Yeah, I'm sure it it will be equitable or at least a little more equitablethan it is now like. I think right now, if you look at what's that not too difficult to bemore equitable than cornel at well yeah, and that's that's what I that's. What Istruggle with is like people are very upset or are there is a small minoritythat people that are very upset that we're losing trading and we're losinglike, presumably we're losing a great deal of the pack system? I mean that'sgoing to carry over, but you know we're going to see, certainly a decline inthe necessity of packs right, and I think that's generally a good thing,because if you look at how much money you would need to like complete a setor to get you know a place out of of the top, you know four or five viabledecks on release like you're looking at spending two to three hundred dollars.Every time a set drops to get those cards on P C go so hopefully this newsystem eliminates you know kind of thescalping that happens on release right. Like that's a huge thing. It's like onrelease: Everybody wants the Ray quazis and there you know they're a hundredpacks or fifty packs, each or whatever. That's just that's that's kind ofabsurd, and hopefully there's no kind of gouging like like that. You know by thecompany in the client there might be there might be like a surge price orsomething you know, but but and we're all kind of hoping that it isn't thecase. We don't know again pere speculation, but hopefully things are alittle more consistent. You know will know going in okay. If I want tocomplete my decks, I'm going to need this many crystals so that I can tradethem in for the cards that I need, or this many. This may coin credits. So Ishould say this many credits, so I hope that that will be a big improvement forus and for the health and financial well being of the players. That's kindof my initial thought, yeah, it's a! I think. Overall, it's going to be agood thing. I think you hit on the thing that I wanted to hit on the most.The kind of the ratio and the mechanics behind the credit system will reallydetermine how successful it is right like if you, if you dust a comment, andit takes. You know five sand of common to get a meaningful card. Then that isawful right. But if you know, if it's a more reasonablenumber, then that seems fine. I I am curious like how effective it will be. There's onething I've noticed sometimes with like these dust base games is either. If youplay a lot, then you can kind of like remain free to play, because you'll geta lot of cards like re inject it into yourself, just by virtue of playingwhen it builds up your credit pool to get more cards. But then, if you take abreak, you have to make a huge investment to get back in, because youneed to like get those cars injected into you to start with so granted. Thatmoney will now go to Pokemon, either through the game itself orthrough packs. I guess, as opposed to you, know, buying your illegal tropicalbeach from bay seller for two hundred dollars, so I'm so I'm going in with optimism with, I think healthyskepticism for the yeah for the trading evolution. I guess my hope and I think,with a lot of these decisions that they've made they have been for thehealth of the player and the well being of the player. So I think I think we won't. I hope, but I thinkwe won't see too much too much couching, I'm certain I'm very s like. I feelvery confident in saying this. I don't know anything, but I feel veryconfident in saying I feel very. I won't thing I don't know anything yestrue, but we won't spend. We won't have to spend two hundred l every launch ofa new set to get the top tear decks. I feel like that can be said with withsome confidence. So you know yes, you can get the cardsthat you need in other ways, certainly playing tournaments, but those taketime. Those take you know those take like a day or two afterrelease right. You can't get them on...

...release day in the client, so I'm hopinthat a clears some of that up in terms of when you can get cards and how easyit is to get cards yeah. Absolutely I mean I just if we can avoid jolty on Vsituations with a new client. I'm for that yeah I WASAYA has been fascinatingwatching the TG, oh economics over the last few days is crazy. If, for the unaware, gold,ball or gold, quick ball is kind of like a value store and tg economics.It's worth like a hundred of the most recent standard pack usually, andthat's what you used to trade for other big ticket items like they're in termsof gold, quick balls, you know trafficless in terms of gold, quickballs and go quick. Ball has plummeted in value. It's got like quite under thirty it'sunder forty or something after I get a hundred like before Monday'sannouncement. So crazy people are just letting themfly, it's so crazy. To that end, I guess if you'reuninformed- and you happen to be storing like a ton of a card on youraccount, you can only crancer over for copies of a card and one copy of likeaspecks and stuff. So do you unload your stuff? Yes, yeah. Let's talk aboutthat Riley. What is going to transfer and in what amount? I'm sure a lot ofour listeners have probably heard, but just to reiterate right, like can youkind of talk about? What's going to transfer, I did want to specificallytalk about thoughts on the roll out process, so yeah tim or sunset. I guessyou call it the nice name for saying like taking them out back and putting a bullet through his friend. So the to sunset, your counsel, bepreserved. You'll, be using the same play. Pokemon account that you do today,I'm assuming the link to like your player idea and everything will just beautomatic because it's literally just pulling from the same database. What you will bring over is all of yourcards from black and white on will be preserved. There is currently no plansthat we're aware of to support legacy, so your heart, cold, Sol, silver stuff,will unfortunately disappear in the transition, and once you have that, so you get all your back on my cards upto four copies, so basically up to the playable quantity. So if it's an aspeck or a prison star, you'll bring one copy. If it is a piece of a union,you will bring one of each piece, which is sad for the people who want to playfor Genij right knee, but nevertheless you get one piece andyou don't get pretty much anything else. You get some amount of cosmetics andthe unopened products. You won't get the products themselves, but up to acap of products of one hundred twenty five on open products, you will get a reimbursement in terms of in game, gems, crystals crystals. So basically the strategy is to get asmany for obs as you can and to get a hundred and twenty five on openproducts. So you can get your crystals. The the thing within that that I'll callout is the goofy like unopen things that fallinto like your packs section of your collection. Don't count, so you can'tbuy a hundred twenty five of the Pikachu costume collection. I get the gems for it. Sorry Yeah right right, so it's apretty straight forward system and you also won't be getting creditfor cards past the fourth. As far as I'm aware, yeah, those those go into the void. Soif you really want to, you know, get something right like ifyou're transferring them past four of let's just take, you knowany any four of car: that's not special, not an aspect, not a prison. Star witlike a four of car, Ouan Yeah, if you're switching those over you're notgoing to get anything for the extra for anything above for of if you're in theclient, if you're in t cg live- and you have four dance already and you get onemore Dan that Dan gets crushed up into. You know credit, I believe, a coinactually a current corner of credit and then that you can use to purchase more cards right and and they didactually confirm that the transfer for actis isn't happening. There was alittle bit of...

...confusion, because the sunset websitesaid you only transfer the four, but then the press release, I just think,was confusingly worded because it used the word transfer and then talked aboutcredits. But it was really just talking about having four copies yeah yeah,because there's a difference right because you have four copies or youhave more than four copies and you're transferring them right. And then youget credits for more than four copies with which both statements are true,but not necessarily right. They're not like related to each other. They're,not related right. If you have more than four in tg live like after you'vealready transferred your for with a little bit of might be a little bit oflove on the way they were to the press release but yeah yeah. We got it allcleared up. So, thank you, Pokemon for being so community Tive, true, plus one plus one, because Iwould say I would be. I would move a little bit if we have these people whojust have like ten thousand copies of a meme card and they get like finitecredit. True True, well, that's I mean initially when I saw that right now Isaw the flub and I was like. Oh Man, the people that have been playing youknow since P DC go started like are just never going to have to buy a cardagain that doesn't see I mean do they are definitely going to this they'redefinitely going to be rewarded right and it's not like, I think, pokemon hadto kind of meet at the Middle Right where theycouldn't alienate all the people that you know put effort and time into theiraccounts, but they also had to say you know what you you're going to probablyhave to put some money into this game at some point, or at least we want youto consider putting money into this game at some point, so it seems like adecent middle ground or we're going to keep a lot of things, but you know get rid of a lot of things aswell. Absolutely with that, I think we're hitting the perfect pause pointfor us to go into our car of the day. Okay, very good, very good. I havecarted the day this week and I always love to shed some light on some of the support Pokmon that were played. I think that you knowsometimes support pokemon are almost as important as the main pokemon I meanyou know to a degree, but they play a very vital role in helping that mainarchetype be as dominant as it was, and maybe five years ago now, six years agothere was the Megara Quansas on that are thethe evolving, no, not a allicoury, skyes, roaringskies expansion and we had some support pokemon. That wentvery well with the with the with the re Quasar that youremember what some of those were really well. We had the ALTARIA which haddelta evolution and would remove weakness, which is huge. We had thebronze on an enforces to get the metal energies on them. I think those are really the only twoso Shamin. That's that cars band man, that's well,not back an a back then, but we also had one of my favorite pokemon turnedPokemon Card Dragon, it ex so dragon ix, and I had an ability called pull up when you play thispokemon from your hand to your bench, you may put two basic pokemon from yourdiscard: Pile into your hand. So what this was really nice for was if youropponent played a parallel city on you or some other kind of bench manipulatorthey knocked something out, then you could drop your dragon. It pulleverything back up and go about your turn. You know play your shamans againand you know player road classes and things so dragon. I DX had a reallynice gold, yeah, the full art full art. I mean I just really like it. I thinkit's really classic looking it's in that evolutions style of card, and Ithink it's one of my favorite dragon it cards, if not my favorite, so you knowI try not to drag it out to that dragon. Night Cart. Actually, when I firststarted playing in my first pre release tournament, I had played Andrew Dakasin the finals of that tournament to basically see who got extra packs or orsomething like that. It was a league challenge after prerelease to see whogot extra packs, yeah and I said no to the ID, because Iwanted to beat him and then I did beat him, and then I got the extra packs andwithin the extra packs, was the goal dragonite. Let's go. I all held that over his head for years. Yeah. That's awesome, great, lookingcard love it as my card other day. Awesome love it too, and what bettertime than now to mention the spensor...

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...let's La Yeah, let's talk about theadvertise a little bit. I mean they they're just a little unnerving. Ithink, like the kind of shifting back and forth like did you see them kind oflike rocking back and forth like I just I don't really like yeah when, when anavid- and I mean I understand what they're doing like this- is not a bigpoint of contention for me, but it's just funny to talk about they just kindof like rock back and forth, like they've like they've, come to life, butlike realist. Realistically, I don't want to know that my avatar likepossibly could be living like that's interesting. Take I just don'tthink I need that, like. I don't think I need to know like that that he'sliving you know a computer living in a computer. I don't know anyway, it's nothey're here, nor there it looks kind of weird I all like that. I thought itwas funny that man, the trailer when they in in one of the clips in thetrailers, some some guys crow back, gets knocked out by his Asian and whenhis KROVAC gets nacked out. He kind of like throws his hands up he's. Like ano, I kind of like that, it's like it's literally courage to get your Croatthat that what what if what if they did like those bigover that like what, if that's final game, play footage and they do thesebig over the top reactions. Any time anything happens like I don't know, I hope so it's it'sweird. I thought that pokemon unite did a really good job with there yeah Ilike the Avatars, I really like them in u night, which is why, when I saw themin to or t gl, they were a little bit kind of jarring to me. They're freakyman, there freaking well, it's just kind of interesting, because I alsokind of made them like a main feature like I like traverse, yeah yeah. Exactly so it's like. Idon't know it's kind of it's kind of hard not to talk about them when theyactually just did a close up like hey. You can change your guys. You know paircolor or whatever like and his hair. Like looks like it was made of scope. I agree. I agree, that's great. What isyour thoughts and kind of like the overall like direction that you I andhow that how that feels? I don't like it initially now. I willsay that, with the caveat that that's not necessarily the final game playfootage, so I can be hopeful that things will change, but I will echothose sentiments that you said where there's just so much space like. If youlook at some of these pictures it it's actually a little confusing to me. You know because wecome out of a client. We come out of a client where there's already a lot ofspace right, like Pecco, has those big wood panels on the side and it's likethey're, not even using a third of the screen, and I always thought that thatwas I kind of understood it because you're trying to fit like a square andside a rectangle of it of a TV or screen or whatever, but there was still so much space leftover on that. You look at the Ui here and it's just there's much more space.It's in a different place, it's a little bit more in the center of thescreen, where they're doing all these animations, which, admittedly are verycool. But it's just very interesting that you have these cards that, from from just these screen, shots looksmaller than they did on PG, and that's that's why I think the mostfew mentality kind of got it. You know, because I it looks good on mobile. Icompletely agree yeah. I will also say that it's like mobile. I think thisworks. This design is great. I would like to see there be a little bit of adifference, though, because I think on the desk top like you should be able todisplay the full card, and I I personally feel like I should be ableto read the card and what it does and everything without needing to like zoomin on it yeah. You know, you know another thing that I wasn't a huge fanof is this is more about user experience necessarily than like thegraphic design, but in tg you know, when you click on a car to do an actionfrom it. It pulls the card up and you see the car and its entirety and thenit off to the side will have the thing that you want to do with it so like ifyou want to attack with a Sashi and you'll, see the whole Ashin card, andthen it lists the attacks like try rave later is most most like with Mutu. Forexample, you have like a list of attack that you scroll through, whereas on ttlive it kind of like just gets in the way of the card yeah I tell there's acar, especially for like Charland stuff, that's like kind of unsatisfying. Forme, I don't know if you feel the same yeah sure I agree. I think there's justsome things that I think you know the longer we go on, but I just the biggestcomplaint that I have is desk top. You know mobile's good mobile. I think weboth agree is like that's, probably as good of a design as you're going to getat this point. You know O for that game,...

...so our complaints really are just withwith what it looks like to take that mobile version and put it on desk top,which I think they just they lose out like there's just so much space andmaybe they're, maybe they're. Actually, thinking of the player, like maybethey're, thinking of like Oh, the streamers head, can go right in thisbig space, but even that e, like it's just like too much still yeah right so and I'll also say like you know, Tdohad a lot of space, but it felt like more alive. I guess because it teachesyou live you're in this very sterile kind of like computer space, almost like this, this matrix y trani kind of space where its and Tsooyou're sitting down at a table. You know you got your got your your woodentable. You got your play, mat in front of you and yeah. You know it felt likemore home. I guess- and maybe it's the stage speaking, butit felt like more home at like the TDO set up. Then yeah like this blank emptyvoid and out. There are Texas there, he oonah is a meaningless design decisionin two thousand and twenty one everything got a heck now. Oh well,looking like a CATON board out here, broad. What about the battle pass? What areyour thoughts in the battle? Pass? That'll pass a school, I mean it justmakes it like every other. You know game right now, right. I think what wefailed to realize is that you know pokemon needs to make money off this.You know, certainly, if they're going to invest all this money into the game,they got to get something out of it and they really haven't gotten a ton out ofit to my knowledge of PG O, and I think we've seen that in just the lack ofimprovements to the game. I M I, the kind of like you might have been like anet loss for them. To be honest, we don't know we'll, never know again,pure speculation, but like the battle passes, is Pokmon, saying. Okay, thisis how we're going to make some money off you guys, like you know, and Ithink we just have to kind of recognize that PETCO is gone. You know, peco iskind of a poor business model. Assuming that you know again, this is USassuming that they never made money off of PCS, which we don't. You know,there's no reason to think that they did so. The battle past seems like anecessary evil in a way, even necessarily think it's evil. I thinksome I enjoy the battle passes there. There might be some you know benefitfor sure. I don't play too many games to know like what a good battle passesversus a bad battle pass, but certainly like unite I've considered. You know,hey, maybe shilling out the few extra you know, bucks or whatever to get aget a battle pass to get more things quicker, but yeah, I think it's kind of anecessary evil. If you look at it from the purely financial perspective yeah Imean I would agree, I'm excited for the battle passpersonally, just because at least the rewards are good. I'll be curious tosee what the rewards for doing it are. I like doing battle passes, even ifthey're not great in the Games, that I play a lot just because it's fun tolike progress and get something for it and like contribute back. You know, for example, in like tight tactics. Iwould always get the the ten dollar battle path, just because give me a little someting something forplaying, and I gave back to the developers for developing this free toplay game and tin of my opinion on the battle pass for Tgi like I am happy tolike pay a couple bucks and enjoy the gameand maybe get some little dosh out of it. You Know Yeh completely, agreecompletely agree. I think that the last thing I really have on my list that Iwant to make sure we talk about is the roll out of sets so obviously likewe're, starting with only lost thunder and expandit, come in time andebulition lost under to the current right yeah only last thunder. Actually,you can all ways a lot O terday so lost under onward and they're, going to rollback over time to black and white, no indication that they'll go earlier thanthat yeah and I'm inclined to believe they don't have any plans do at themoment, because that's kind of like, if youthink about it, like black of my on, is kind of like the POKEMON supported CardPool. You know because that's expanded, but that's upset a lot of people. Youknow like losing legacy losing those heart, cold energies cards that maybeyou spent a lot of time and even money like building up. Do you have anythoughts on kind of like the removal of legacy or even just the fact thatexpanded won't be available right? Okay, sure I think the expanded not beingavailable right away is just you know. It just is what it is for them to getthis going. You know, I'm I wouldn't say I'mfrustrated by it. I'm a little like one degree, disappointed by it, justbecause you know they're they'ree...

...rolling out a game where they have aformat, but we can't play that format. You know like a supported format rightlike that a regionals could be in or tournament could be in right. We're notgonna be able to play that. That's that's fine! That's fine to me as longas i get standard right like and it works like i'm cool with that for the most part right and thenideally, it's like within the next six months. They can get expanded up andgoing what i would like to see and- and i am mourning for the peoplethat built up legacy collections, because i know how hard that was. Therearen't really that many codes going around you have to go play the game,get the locked packs open those packs to complete your sets and there's noreal trading of any of those. You know legacy card, so i do feel for theplayers that had a big legacy collection built up. That's just not a supported format,unfortunately for pokemon, so there's no real need to port over the legacycards so again from a financial standpoint. That just is what it is. I do hope at some point that if theydon't give like free, if they don't give out those legacy cards and somecapacity or like put them into the game, i hope what they eventually are able todo is codin the four world championshipdecks dating back to you know two thousandand four so that at the very least, people can get tastes of what thesecards were in the past and you know be able to play some old match. Ups. Isthat a perfect answer now? Is that the best answer? Maybe not, butit would be kind of cool to see some support for you know these legacyformats, if not, you know coding all of the cards ever created, maybe justcoding. You know one year at a time they code in you know four decks thatcan only be played against each other right from each of the worldchampionships. I think that might be a decent compromise, but again who's tosay that it's even worth it for them to do it, and i doubt will ever see thatso yeah. I think we're going to have to wave good bye to the pre, black andwhite and really you know, did i don't think legacy had a huge practicalpurpose. I think one of our chatters hit it well on the head that it almostfelt like it was just a comprise for there to be a purpose to the hard coldsource over cards from when tg o came out. So it's sad to see him go. I do feelfor players who enjoyed legacy, but it doesn't surprise me either. I wouldlove for them one day to to kind of like backtrack. You knowmaybe progressively over time like release older cars, and you know- maybeyou can only get them with in game currency like there's no codes oranything, but you can build up these like fun decks from old aros, but that is like definitely a nice tohave and not a necessary item to make the client successful, yeah yeahcompletely agree to that end. I was curious if you had a wish list ofthings that you want to see that we haven't confirmed, or that you knowaren't happening right away, but wan the future well old cards. You know, that's athat's low on my priority list. I think just a better looking desk top client like with just less dead space,and i think that will happen if not just immediately on release like. Ithink it will happen over over time that they'll change the look and feelof it more more wishless items would be likei almost wish that they had a depending on the price of like gems and things.One thing i wish they would have is like a monthly subscription to have aplace set of all the cards again. This opens up a little bit of a pandoras boxright because if they, you know, it's like netflix right started at you knowx amount of dollars and is being hiked up like every year. You know so therecould be that kind of thing, but if, from a from a player standpoint, if icould get all the cards on release of a new set- and i just had to pay- youknow five dollars a month like, i would really heavily consider that, justbecause of how easy and efficient that would be in how much time that wouldsave me. So that would be a big wish list for me again. This is assumingthat it's going to be kind of cumbersome to some extent to like getall the cards like by transferring gems. You know you got to transfer, you knowone gym for one card. You got to do that for the entire set or whatever itis like. We don't know how easy or difficult it will be to exchange thosein game currencies, but a subscription based model to getall those cards on release just automatically uploaded to your accountseems kind of cool to me, and that would be, i think you know it's acareful what you wish for type of type of hope, but i think that would besomething i would be interested in a i mean. That's something. I've wanted foryears for a tcgo is a subscription...

...service you hit on one of mine, which was kindof like an improved graphical direction for desktop in particular, and i alsowouldn't be surprised if, like by release, it's even better than what wesaw, i mean they did hit us with the game play not final and there in thetrailer agree. Yep yep, seen that game play not final can actually meansomething, sometimes because the dimanda pearl trailer is definitely hadmajor improvements. So true, yes, absolutely so it's not just a cop out,it could be room for change in the future and we've also seen you know abig budget movie change based on yeah. Although that's that made a delay by itout of time, i believe yeah, it's true, so i don't want that. I would ratherhave it in hand and they work on the my philosophy on this is like. I obviouslywant the graphical direction of des take better than the trailer, but in myopinion you can always fix the graphics. You can change the graphics. You can'tchange the core of what the game is running on nearly as easily and whatwe're getting now is, hopefully a core that is much more polished than what tgo was. I mean at the end of the day. T go was a website you know was built asa website or you play the game. So i think, having a more modernplatform is the most important thing. First, ye. The other wishless item forme. Kind of in the vein of being like a modern game is i want like either aretrievable like real time, game, log or api calls that people can make fromthird parties, so think of things like debt, trackers or automatic prizechecking. Things like you know, being able tobuild in twitch widgets, where you can like cover over cards and getinformation about them like all that stuff is possible, because these othercard games have really in depth like pools of information that are directlyavailable to developers. I would love for that to happen for for tg live, andyou know we talked the other week about things like the objective deck. You canrun services like that so much more efficiently. If you can like retrieveactual in game information as the game is happening, oh for sure, completelyagree completely agree. So that's my like number one big ticket wish. Thisitem is it's like apis or a local game log thei almost put as a wishless item as a joke like not to have the done buttonbe the same for all services, but it actually is different. Now o, thank goodness huge stuff. That isso massive. I mean how many times have we clicked done on something that wethought was going to just end the ability, but instead past our turn, sodu yeah, i'm that was that was such an interesting design, so that was a thatwas a huge pro, so i mean overall criticisms aside. Iam very excited for this. I'm really excited for the direction and i'mexcited that we have developers who are also excited to be working on it. Yeahyeah, absolutely we've talked to a number of them. Ryan is one of the bigones that that you know we have kincommunication with and it seems like they're stoke to make it. You know,pokemon seems excited about it. You know this has been in the works for anumber of years and they've certainly thought about a lot of these decisions.That were kind of you know pouring over today, so give you know, give them a lot ofcredit for coming up with something that should hopefully play well. You know, look great on yourphone and you know that will be the future of the pokemon trading card game.They listen to us in a lot of ways, some ways- maybe not so much butoverall i mean i'm very pleased and, like you said, very excited yeah. Ican't wait to get my hands on it. I mean with that. I think that's a perfect stopping point for this week'sepisode. I v you have any final thoughts for us. No, no! I don't! Ijust see on the ladder see on the ranked ladder i watch out for rank oneand two ordered d. True pokmon tg live so with that will wrap up. This week'sepisode make sure to check us out on social media smiles of riles and realjohn walter on twitter, as well as the podcast twitter at tag team, pokemon,and if you want to catch us, live every single week, you can catch us on one ofmine or gw twitch channels, usually on mine, but if on trip or something j, wtakes the reins, so that's twitch at t s, munner and tisha tv, sh, lex, daddy,righteous and, of course, as always, rat and review. If you liked it or ifyou have feedback absolutely, i think we've had a greatstopping point here. I appreciate the...

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