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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 6 · 1 year ago

3-5. The Brothers Chu

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are ready to crack down on the Full Grip Online Series and the Players Cup II. Whats the low down? Whats up? Who are the Pichu Bros and what do they stand for?

What is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Friley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend JW crew. All, jw Haws, it going today? Riley, it's going okay. How are you? It's going way better than okay. Man, I'm on cloud nine over here. Oh really, I mean, I feel like you sound happier other days. Really. Yeah, yeah, you're kind of like grilling me about my mental state. Or No, no, it's you sound like you sounded not, not that happy. That's why I was asking you. Do I do I still sound and happy? I mean it was a long day. I was working until until seven, which was an hour and a half ago. Okay, okay, yeah, I don't know. For me too, it's been a long day, but I think it's mostly been due to the fact that, you know, in the Midwest it's starting to get real dark really early. So it's like seven o'clock, yeah, and it was super dark at that point, and then I felt like like the last two and a half hours I was in this kind of, I don't know, dreamlike state. I feel like you're in like a few any day. Yeah, I just don't even know like what where I am, what day the week it is, what time it is, and all because the weather is changing. Yeah, I mean, I I would say in general I've been like a little down lately. I don't know if like today is abnormally so that. Yes, these little pressure certainly, I like a real thing, man, like as the daylight hours decrease, it just feels like your styles getting cramped on. You know, sure it, sure, yeah, yepure. So get it. So what makes you on cloud nine? Nothing really, as I was kind of saying, you know, kind of kind of boost the vibes a little bit. Okay, fair enough. I mean there's a lot to be excited about, oh, for sure. For sure. I mean I'm I'm kind of of the belief and this is like mental health outstanding. But like that, your attitude like informs like your reality, right. So, yeah, yeah, if you make something good, then you know, be okay at least right. So, always look on the bright side of life. But there is more than plenty going on in the world. We're fresh into Players Cup too. We gave a lot of street cred to that last I don't know, street gas but we gave a lot of service to last week, so we'll definitely talk about that. And we're fresh off of the full grip online series, event number two. So write another successful event in the books. Super Exciting to see that. So I think we can combine those two things and get a really interesting take on how the foremast developing and what kind of things you can do moving forward. So absolutely let's take it from the top with the full grip online series. So yesterday was the second event in the full grip online series and we saw actually a pretty substantial shift in how the Meta ended up shaking out at the end of the day. It's really interesting to see actually. I thought was really fascinating. And so and Mahone took it home with the Lacario Mel Metal Deck. Very cool. Had An awesome gameplay there in the last round and he saw that that's beating Daniel to villa in the last round with his psychic commute to very malim arm youtskue. But relying now on the row toom from cosmic eclipse. I think thats accelerates to second energy from the discarded an attack. So exactly GW you having the overhead view of how all this was shaking out over the event. What was the what was the cause of this ship like? What happened between events that all of a sudden made these decks so good? Was it they were undiscovered before this, underplayed, or was the style of the decks being played more in their favor? Yeah, well, you still saw ATP Z and a turn it is be very well represented. But the real confusing newcomer was the Luke Metals Osh and, which I mean has been seeing some some success recently,...

...but it was like last week where it's really started to pick up steam, not just in the full grip online series but also in many other tournaments that are being hosted online. And there was one tournament, I believe it was a hegster tournament, where there were like six Lucario Mel metals in the top thirty two, and that is just ridiculous for a deck that before, for that hand, some finishes, certainly was in the conversation, but didn't have quite the representation. And so lists are becoming a little bit better. People are discovering that the deck has a very favorable eternity this matchup and a pretty solid ATP Z matchup. Just kind of depending on certain text in both of those decks, but having favorable matchups, or at least winnable matchups, against those two, while also being able to control a lot of the rest of the decks in the format, make Lucario memental a really popular choice. I think also players are playing Lucario me metal because it can accommodate crushing hammer if they opt to go for that route. Andrew didn't play crushing and hammer and his list, which is, you know, important to note, but there are some Lucario momentals that play crushing Hammer. And then it's also good for you know, you just blocking generally the The v Max has, so you give yourself a shot against sense to scorch and drag a pulled and things like that. And also, wow, I've like almost lost my train of thought twice on this, but also you're not running these liability pokemon for the ATP sure to just eat up on the bench, which I think is another really big benefit to this deck. It feels like there are a lot of ways for you to, I'll play your opponent like you're just giving yourself a lot of time via the metal goggles and the full metal wall gx you're giving yourself a lot of time to try to position yourself to win the game. So, of all the decks that are being played right now, this is the least linear in its Gameplay, and that lends itself to having more decisions in a game and, you know, more ways stop player opponent. Yeah, I've always said time and time again that the longer a game goes on, the more opportunities are our for decisions to be made, the more likely it is that the better player will win, and I think Lucar I'm a will definitely feeds into that to a certain extent. You mentioned not having the liability pokemon. I would argue, though, there's also the flip side of that, where you don't have immediate access to certain tools via pokemon search, and that's something that I've always disliked about lucarom not metal, but got. It does come with the big pro though, where you know now the sudden you get, you know MAB wil gx turn one, the infamous small wild gx. Yeah, you don't feel as crappy about it. There's still are like genuine mobile situations, like if they pluck a asash in that you can't metal goggles like that could actually flip a game for sure, but there's so you have so much more control over how how many of those guys are in your hand. Right, you know, when you're talking with like ATP mirror something, you could easily lose the game. Turn on and off on male while, yeah, and and right, and not even like in. The opponent doesn't even blink an eye, because that's like actually just their strategies to try to get you into a hand that has that you know has a Dedenne in it, and then they win because all because they just brought it out of your hand on the first turn. And so you don't have that liability with Lacario me metal. Of course, you can always just still get run off the board by ATP. It's not like a failsafe by any means, and I don't think the matchup is like extremely one sided for either deck. I would consider it about a fifty, just kind of depending on how fast each deck can get set up. But it's certainly a it's certainly a deck that players have started to take more seriously and you know, it's definitely been...

...showing in the results. Sin Scott, obviously this win it's done well at a number of other online tournaments and you know, certainly if you haven't tried this deck, it's it's a deck that I personally like for the Players Cup. Like I played it a little bit myself for the Players Cup. I got a nice win in my first tournament with the Lacario Mel Metal Deck, beating an ATP with the help of Galerian Stun Fisk. There it is, attacking into an ATP for the win. And I played it a few other times and and got some decent finishes. But it was certainly be a deck that I would be comfortable taking to a tournament and playing in the Players Cup. Yeah, for sure. So awesome deck. I'm sure all the folks who have been pining after lacarisome metals ash and are feeling really good right now. Ye Know, there's always been that crowd, right, the crowd that always thought that Lucaro my metal was the better way to buy sash. And sure, sure are abolutely and I for sure's. I mean there's definitely some there's definitely some merit to that. And again, the numbers right now, there are magic numbers right now of you know, two hundred and twenty two hundred and sixty right, which are both kind of numbers that these option in the lucario metal have. But then you play the tool, you play the the GEU, use the GX attack and all of a sudden you're able to kind of get out of the way of the opposing atps options, and so it's just a it's an interesting deck that kind of plays with the numbers in a unique way. We also saw the psychic metube show up. Yeah, so we had four psychic me twos outside of the big you know, three there ATP it turn it is, and then Lucario Mel Metal we had for mew two's as for psychic me two's as the number four played deck in the full group series, which is very interesting. I got to commentate a little bit over Danny a couple of games and the first game that I commentated over him he was able to get a DONC with the gang garn mimic you, and then the second time I commentated he was one trainer away from getting the DONC on a Zomba Zenter. So certainly that card in and of itself putting in a lot of work and really like, I don't want to say giving the deck viability by itself, but it's like a really strong weapon in those opening turns up, particularly against option decks, which tend to you know, start one or two pokemon and and and the turn with a really big hands. You can take pretty cheap knockouts there early. Yeah, I mean I that definitely has shown up in waves. I mean it was will or see agree, I got really leading the charge there it. Do you think there's any other tools that really set it apart in terms of the metagame it? I mean obviously Night Watch and Horror House and polter geist or a really strong combination of tax but it didn't really show up for a while now. Is it just the fact that people were passing over the concept, or is there any sort of shift that's led to that? Um, I mean I think when you look at it, like always having a reset stamper Marnie and then shuffling two cards back in like the the the hand control is not something that we've seen in the standard format, and I mean absolutely Harkens to the expanded format where we have trevor and dust Moore that is, you know, the tier one deck and expanded. So just that hand control not being something that you see too often in standard just that's probably the best way to do it at this point in time, since we don't have a lot of the control options of the last format. Trevor and dust more can kind of take center stage as being that that card that can disrupt the opponent in a very big way. Yeah, for sure. I mean Marnie Plus Trevor and Dustnar is definitely a potent combination. The one thing I always hate about that kind of strategy, and I don't think this deck is like inherently reliant on your opponent dead drawing off of like a Marnie right, a Marnie trebunant Doustar Corombo, I think. But it is still so frustrating when you do that to them...

...and they have like research plus energy or switch research or whatever they need. That just feel so awful. It doesn't matter if it's like game deciding or not. It just tilts me. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, and it's like it's going to happen and like you're putting yourself in that position to, you know, get get top decked out of that situation or have them have, you know, the one card in the hand that they needed. But yeah, it's going to happen with a deck like that. Yeah, that just comes to territory and that's that's again. That's not a demerit to the deck like that. It's just something that happens and you don't necessarily need your opponent of the dead draw to do well with this deck. Right. It is definitely just a strong archetype and of itself. It's consistently done well over the last couple days at tournaments, with a Zul and Danny kind of leading the charge there. Right. That's just something that whenever I play deck like that I get so annoyed, so anoying. One one other result that I do want to also mention. We had a couple of eighty, excuse me, a turn it is that also made the top a. But the one surprise at eighth place, at a foreign two record, we had Aaron Flynn with their Salamans. So this is the second tournament in a romance. Yeah, that Salomon's vmax has made a top eight. Of course, in the last tournament David Negrett got a top four with Salmon's and this is pretty much the same list. I don't know, there's not too many differences here between the two, but congratulations to Aaron. Salomon's vmax potentially not the most viable deck. I mean certainly it's not, you know, tear one by any means, but it can hang, it can compete, it does some cute things and it can hit some big numbers with the powerful energy. So yeah, that's kind of if you've thought too much about this deck, but I kind of enjoy it. It's something kind of fresh, kind of new. It's a vmax that hits hard and sets up pretty consistently, which I like. Yeah, never heard of a vmax that hits hard and sets it consistently before. No, I haven't really put any effort into Salim's, but it's a deck' is really fun to watch. It's like really cool to see it executed. Yeah, so props to all the Salomon's fans out there. I want to pose a question to you now. We talked a couple weeks ago about kind of off Meta decks that we enjoyed and you know, seems like Simms's least peaked your interest. Are there any sort of off the beaten path decks that you've found really interesting, either in your own Gameplay or from these tournaments or the last couple days. Yeah, that's a good that's a good question. I mean, for me, off the beaten path as of the last week would have been Lucario Mel metal. It was a deck that I had a little bit of experience with, but really about a week ago I started kind of putting some real games into it, played a little bit on stream, played it in the player's cup for a couple of rounds and really have started to like that deck. We have a question in the chat about that, saying what's the key thing that sets that deck apart? Many people thought that the metal frying pan rotation would have been a death sentence to the deck, but you still have metal goggles. So essentially the same thing if you're not facing against a fire deck, and I think that that really keeps it really keeps a vival. And then, yeah, just the again, extending the game for as long as that deck can makes it really hard for the opponent to win at certain times because a lot of decks, you know, you look at ATP that deck really tries to go as fast as possible, as quickly as possible, and sometimes the the negative to that is that there are often games where they only have like one real attacker set up. You know, they only have one zosh and set up because, generally speaking, and all the other games that they played, they only really need the ones option. So, you know, Lucario Mel metal plays a little bit more methodically, a little bit more slowly and can set up multiple attackers a little bit more easily and then have that kind of consistent staying power...

...to be able to hit into those options over and over and over again, kind of take advantage there, and so just the longer the game goes on, the better it is for Lacario Mele metal, and that's just what sets the part of my eyes. Yeah, but that would be yeah, that would be that would be one of the decks that I would say has been kind of under the radar. I guess another one for me that has been under the radar that I have enjoyed and I've heard people do well with is and tellion. I don't I keep bringing all those comes actions. I know, I know, I bring it up and it's just we're going to have to change the podcast name to be the Italian show. But I have a have a friend that just messaged me saying, Hey, you know, I'm doing pretty well in the in the Players Cup with Italian and I've seen a few people post about that. And you know, again another another nice deck that that can hang with the big boys. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm still stuck in mad party land myself, although get out, bro Get up. I've I'm not going to take it to any Players Cup tournaments, but it is definitely my favorite deck to play. I do actually really like peak rom and this this goes away back. I mentioned few Kurram like a while ago. Right rotation was hitting and like using bolt on and going deep into that realm, and I think that's actually like kind of a legit strategy. Vikram against decks that don't just immediately destroy it really sets up these very dangerous boards states very quickly. Good example specifically, is even against these the slower decks like the metal decks or the mewtwo deck that don't do a lot of ocoing action. You set up a lot of energy on the board. You set up multiple peak rams, are multiple big GX pokemon. I got bolt on ready on the sidelines. It just gets really scary really fast. I think it's a really strong deck right now, actually well, and that's a really interesting transition. Will get to it in just a second, but Ian Rob has actually been playing a lot of Pika Ram. We'll talk about why that matters in just second, but first I think it's time for card to the day. Yes, and so I'm actually doing two cards, but it's because it's for a very obvious reason. So their legends? No, no, it's not a legend, although that would be funny and a nice little follow up to last week's magnazone. Dang, I love legend parents. I do too. You know, I wasn't playing TCG, and actually I was critically. This isn't my my face of life when I was critically disintroduced in Pokemon. This isn't my car that weak. But I just have a tangent about legends and I heard about legends and I was like, this is so absurd. Poke about is the stupidest game of all time. This is so dumb. And now I'm looking back at them like wait, that's so sick. The scores were amazing, bro the art is like chef's kiss. It's gotta feel so goofy, though, to pull half a card out of a pack. I hope they bring something like that. I swore that that would be the mechanic for like Giganta Mat I. Well, I guess Giganta Max is still a mechanic that we can still play, but I thought for sure that would be you know me next. Well, anyway, the I'm featuring two cards and the reason I'm featuring two cars is because only two of them exist for this pokemon and that is the peach you Ros. So, if you don't know me, peach you brows are like my favorite element of all the Pokmon, more than the Pika choose that I keep behind me on my wall, more than Rawlett, the peachure brows are like my inspiration of my life. Way Back in the NSIDER forms, my name was peach you bro for because peach you bro zero through three were taken. So yeah, and it actually, I think it's spawned from the Pokemon Channel Game where you like progressively unlocked the peach you brow shorts. If you've ever played that one? Sure. Anyway, they have two cards. They have one which was a pop series card and that was really cool. It's really cute. It has just like a twenty damage for the point attack, for two lightnings...

...and as the two little brows chilling, but the better one of the two actually, in my opinion. It was a p series Promo in Japan only, which is basically the original black star Promos when was just the coast was publishing the game, and it has this adorable art is to peature brows. They're chilling, there's flowers. It's so wonderful. It's like some true there's trees around them, like really great like desktop wallpaper. If you like peach, you and generally just feature brows are awesome. Man. It's cool that they've had a card at all. I like it when they do those little off the cuff kind of things. I like the surfing Peaka shoose. I like the Flying Pika. Choose. Do you have that card, the Japanese one? I don't have the Japanese only one. I do have the pop promo or the pop series one. Yeah, it's a car that I've always like kind of wanted, but just as never come into my immediate vicinity and I'm not much of an ebay hawks. So is it pretty expensive? I don't think so. It's just I don't know. Actually, I could do a quick check right now because I'm curious. Okay, yeah, yeah, that'd be interesting. Sure, I do like when they kind of incorporate kind of outside influences into their cards. I mean, obviously that's that's a cool thing, right, because it pulls in different Oh yeah, that is expensive. Any know why? Because it was. It was a promo for the I guess I'm not always expensive, but some of them I guess. Can I guess? Well, the first one I saw was very expensive and now that I'm looking on strolling through, I'm not sure. Was it a was it a PSA ten or something? No, HMM, okay. Well, did you go completed listenings? Well, that's what I'm about to do. So, but the reason why I might guess is it might be expensive is because it was. It was one of those movie Promo cards that you can only get in Japan. I like going to the film yeah, as this was for that. I think it is the fifth movie, the one with audios and Latias and the feature brows have a cameo in that film, so I recommend seeing it for that. Just super cool, though. I love those off the Beatan path cards that feature something a little different, little wackey. Really great for people like myself. You just enjoy those small little things. Sure, sure, well, can I guess how much it costs? Sure, all right, you have a number, right. Yeah, I depends on if you want to go for like a grated or regular one. What's I mean? Is there a PSA ten, or PSA nine? At least? Yeah, there's ten. There's a ten. Okay, PSA ten, pezzure Bros from what year? Two? Two, I'll say. I'll say one hundred. Actually, no, it's significantly cheaper than that. It's in like the three hundred dollar range. Really. Yeah, and like obviously stay edge. When you say a Promo that's like twenty years old. That's a PSA ten. I immediately think, you know, more expensive, but that's surprising. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was easier to get than we're like picturing in our heads here. Yeah, perhaps, I don't know. I tend sometimes with like you know, somebody says, Oh, it's a collector's card, I tend to like overvalue it and like compare everything to chars hard. Yeah, you know, did you get any champions path chars? Aren't yet. No, not yet, not yet. I'm hoping to. I mean I really want to. I really want have you opened the champions path yet. No, I have not, Bro I haven't found anything. I haven't looked, but I haven't found any. Yeah, I haven't looked or found any either. So I'm kind of hoping for that second print run. Let's go. I don't know. I feel like hidden fades got bought O so fast and there was a lot of it later on. Sure I wouldn't be surprised if we see a similar thing. Sure, who does? So let's jump in, though, to our bridge. So we...

...went from peak a ram to peaching Bros back to peak rom and we want to talk about Ian Rob Because, if you were unaware, are just hours ago now. You and rob finished his his run at the players cut. Feted all fifty of his two of his keys. He's done, got all this points accumulated and he ended up with a hundred and twenty eight points, in his words, with mostly Peak Romp in those tournaments. So, JW, what are your thoughts from there? You know, now we have kind of a sense of what people might be able to achieve, what the baseline might be. Obviously and Robin exceptional player. I think he's definitely going to do better than the majority of people in the players cut. What do you think this knowledge kind of means? Where do we go from here? Sure, well, I was thinking before the tournament started. You know that. Well, we were just doing that calculation, right. So, like if you just flip the coin for every round, how many points would you expect to get? And we were just figuring that out and it's just shy of too. It's like what we're saying one point eight or something. So I would just being know. You know, if you were flipping a coin again, like you were saying, okay, I enter fifty tournaments and then round one, I win this time and then I lose and then I win and then I lose and then whatever, and then your bracket goes on. So you'd expect to get about two points if you were just doing it random. So of course there's some skill in the you know, there's some skill that you need to suck skill, Jeez. There's some deck choice and some metagaming that you need to account for and obviously the better players are going to do generally better. And so yeah, I mean it's it's something that you're looking at him finishing with a hundred twenty eight points, and that is feels very safe to me because that is above, you know, that kind of two point five threshold return per tournament key. Right. That would be points per tournament key above two point five and that would be what I would consider a great kind of threshold, like average, right. You know, you know definitely are going to have those bad hands in the first round where you're going to lose, and you're definitely going to have those spikes where you just get really lucky and your opponent Miss Click and you win the term. But yeah, I think that is that is really strong. I was kind of figuring before the whole Players Cup started that we be between ninety and one hundred and ten to qualify. That felt like a really good number. Again, kind of going back to that little bit of Randomization, like if you just were random, like a little bit above, that would be enough to get yourself into the the second part of the competition. And you know, Ian Again player I respect player, that is very good and to hear that he finished with a hundred twenty eight points, I think that that's, you know, going to be about the high end of like the what the cutoff could be? No, I definitely think Ian Rob is finishing on the higher end. Here we were talking to your kind of what that one undred and twenty eight, you know, means and represents, and that suggest that more often than not, Ian Rob was in the finals of a tournament, and so to me, I think if you're more often than not ending in the finals, that should suggest that you're going to make it. The counterpoint, though, I always have whenever people are talking about players Cups, is, you know, we don't really have any metrics or what this is going to look like yet. You know it. We're pretty early on. We don't know what the leader boards are looking like, we don't know how many people are actually actively trying. which will you know, I think that's going to be the real factor and what their qualification mar is. How many people are actually trying to get it regardless, I think you and rob definitely has a performance that I'll get him into that next stage of the Players Cup. And I think if you're just going, if you have to rough estimate it, the COUC that we ended up with, and I can even just multiply that by fifty...

...here. Yeah, we're looking at like ninety four, ninety five points. Is that kind of average performance? If you were to flip a coin every single round. To me, that seems reasonable to shoot for. I think if you're above a hundred, above a hundred and ten, then you should be fine on right. You know, it remains to be seen. But and I you know, don't let me prescribe your players cut for you. Right, I think ultimately, try your best, try your artist learn from your mistakes and you'll have a good time. You know, don't, don't force the issue. Yeah, and this is again us like we won't get a very solid speculation on what the final results would be. There's a lot of different ways to approach the Players Cup, as we have talked about on the last podcast. But you know, if you're sitting here now and you're, you know, maybe under that threshold, you know again that that kind of two points per tournaments threshold, like it might be a good time to reevaluate maybe your deck choice or just kind of take a step back and see how the Players Cup develops in terms of what the point totals will be like. At this point, we only have one data set and it could go a lot of different ways, for sure. So approaching the Players Cup, you've played in a couple of the events I myself am still fifty out of fifty on my keys looking at starting this weekend. Yeah, is there anything that you've noticed, any trends that you'd recommend following decks that are seeming to be more popular than average? Yeah, I mean it's been frustrating for me. I won't, I won't lie. Let me kind of recount here. I have my tails. I'm well workbook. I mean I've played it exclusively, Lacario, mel metal and ATP, with ATP being a majority. I've played thirteen tournaments so far. I Have Sixteen Rep so that is very clearly not, you know, on pace with where I want to be and where I think that I need to be. And that's just me, you know, saying that straight up. And I've certainly had some some bad losses in terms of having just unusable starting hands, and it's and it's making me kind of consider, okay, where do I want to go from here? Do I want to continue on this path? Because there is this kind of long form thought where if you just play a deck that you are confident in and you play it for long enough, like your results will kind of buff out and you'll see yourself on a you know kind of higher end of things, but at the same token, like thirteen tournaments in, I feel as though I have a pretty good amount of data that I can use to make a more informed decision what I want to play, and so it might be time for a change or might be time for just like adding a few texts or something into the ATP or Lucario Mel Metal to kind of help with what I've been seeing. So one deck that I've very easily taken the most losses to has, or have seen the most in the tournament, and this is not a shock to anyone, but is ATP. There's been a lot of mirror matches. There have been a lot of, you know, people playing ATP in these tournaments, and for good reason, because it's just super consistent and you know you you don't need me to say why people are playing ATP, but it has absolutely been the deck of choice for many players and I don't blame them. Yeah, is there any other big friend? I mean, I've everything I followed as kind of suggested. ATP Has Been All over these tournaments. Any other major showings? Major showings? Um, can't say that there have been. You have things like sent to scorch that I've seen. You have things like blow Cephalon, I've seen a couple of times, but...

...for the most part it's been ATP pretty much. You know, I've seen ATP once a tournament probably on average, which has been pretty ridiculous. That is pretty insane. So if you were to make a just a deck recommendation off the top to someone who's listening right now and just has no idea what they want to play, what would that safe pick be? WOULD BE ATP? Yes, it would. It would. I mean, I don't want to like, you know, I think it is like the best Dec and it can beat anything. Right, that's the that's the kind of thing that you want. It's consistent, it can beat anything and it ends the game like rather quickly, like there's not a ton that you have to like worry about in terms of misplanning. Like the Games are very cut and dry, very straightforward, you know. So for those reasons, like of course ATP is going to be a great choice. And then, you know, you look at something like Lucario Mel metal that could have some viability. You look at something like decks that would have a good ATP matchup. You know, potentially something like, if you are confident in your sense of Scorch, which I am not, but if you were confident in your sense of Scorch, that some people would argue has a decent ATP matchup as well as having a decent attorney this matchup. But a turn it is, I really haven't seen that much. Do you know all that's because people don't think attorney this is the deck of choice, or there may be just off. I don't know. I'm really kind of scratching my head. I've seen a turn it is, I think, one time over thirteen tournaments. One time. So I really don't know why that two times? Two Times? Yeah, at two times over the course of thirteen tournaments and I just I can't quite put my finger on why. Certainly seems like kind of an outlier there that not a lot of people are playing that day. Yeah, that's definitely interesting. I would have expected a fair amount of a turn of this. Yeah, absolutely, I mean it seems like a deck that can hold its own against ATP. Of course, getting that getting that knock out there on the second turn on the ATP is is extremely good. But I just haven't seen it. It's hard to say why. Fair enough. I. Yeah, I mean, and to be fair, like the Meta, the player's couple more than likely constantly warp involved as people play it, and even even things that's like the time of day that you're playing might inform the kinds of decks that you're seeing. Is, like different players from different areas pop in and I sure, sure, I think to another trend that I've personally been seeing as like it's hard. I think it's easy with excuse me, I think it's easy with the deck like ATP to just play a very consistent, like vanilla list. You don't really have to do anything too crazy with ATP right. You can just play the four boss you know. You the maybe the craziest decision you have is like do I want to play for crushing Hammer, for Turbo Patch or for catcher in my list, like that's kind of the the song for what the going of my flipping today? What's that? What coin of my flipping today? Yeah, what coin of my flipping? Or all of them, if you like to be crazy like Riley, and so you know that that's that's kind of a comfort of ATP to is like the deck is just built in a way that you don't really have to even think about text, whereas a lot of the other decks you have to really think about, you know, particularly Lacario melmental. Like you could play a very straightforward list, like Andrew played at the full grip online series last night, which didn't include things like mew two to recycle your supporters, didn't include anything like weakness Card Energy. You didn't include anything, you know, no ah rang Gerus or anything. Just it was very consistent, very straightforward. Do you want to go with something like that or do you want to have things that can counter your bad matchups? You just don't have the thing about that with the...

...deck like ATP I think that's pretty pretty appealing. It sounds good to me. Yeah, not having to think is definitely a plus. Yeah, I mean, you know, and and it's like, at the end of the day, like this tournament is, it's a weird one. You know, it's online, so you're not playing against one metagame. You're playing against like fifty individual Meta Games. You know, it's not a oneday tournament with everybody. It's just it's a weird thing. So like as much advice as I can give or that we can give, you know, just just take it with a grain of salt, match it up against what you've been seeing and then and then just give it your best shot. I do want to say too, I just released a video on youtube some things that we were talking about in terms of anxiety related to the Players Cup. I think it's pretty natural to have that kind of anxiety with this kind of event because, you know, you put a lot of emphasis on each of these individual tournaments and that can be very taxing. Right because, yeah, you have a total of two hundred fifty points, like ideally you finished the the Players Cup to two hundred fifty points, easily securing, you know, your spot in the next phase. But they're just going to be those times where you dead draw against a great matchup or you, you know, Miss Click or you know sometimes like your computer will time out or something like that, something you know out of your control. I talk in that video just a lot about keeping everything in perspective and doing the things that you can control and then maybe not so much worrying about the things that are out of your control, like the matchups are really out of your control, but the things that are in your control, they in Gameplay and your debt construction, are things that you can, you know, try to work on in the future. Yeah, and I think you said this in the video, but if I could give any advice, it's you know, play what you're confident in, play what works for you. Take notes on your games, see where things are going well and going poorly. You know, just have good fundamentals. Fact, make sure your sequencing is good, take notes of areas where you're maybe not doing it as well. Check your prizes at the start of the game. It's easy as it can possibly be when you're on TCG, oh, especially on those early turns. So yeah, you know, it's take every tournament as an individual step. Put your all into it, take the learning experiences that you can't out of it and apply it to the next one and I think even if you don't qualify, you'll get something valuable out of that. Right you'll become a better player at the end of those fifty tournaments and by players cut three, which you know is strongly implied to exist. You know, maybe that's the one for you. Yeah, I mean for sure. For sure, I mean it certainly doesn't feel like this player's Cup is going to be the last one. I mean that's another important thing to keep in mind because I think a lot of players, you know, we want that more so in in, you know, Pokemon then I think a lot of other games. Like I look particularly at magic, like people play pokemon primarily for the cloud, like there is this monetary prize on the line of being able to travel to a, you know, in international championship of your choice. But realistically you're trying to do well because you want to prove to yourself and you want to prove to the world around you that you're a good player and that you deserve to have, you know, accolades and people look up to you, etcetera, etc. And so that is the biggest thing, and just kind of getting caught in that can really lead you down some dark paths. You know, it can really lead you down some very destructive paths where you're kind of you know, you lose a tournament and you're like well, you know, I'm not good enough, and that's absolutely not true. Like...

...these are again are kind of crap shoots in the sense that it's a best of one. So it's a best of one where you don't know your opponents decklist, so you know they could just come out with you know, some tech or some card that you just weren't expecting. I've definitely had that happen to me. or You, you know, lose the coin flip and a matchup where you want to go in a particular turn and it just it's a crap shoot at the end of the day. So please, please, please, take anything from this discussion of the Players Cup too, is don't place yourself worth and how well you do at these tournaments, because that can be very, very destructive at the end of the day. You know, play because you enjoy it and play in the way that you enjoy it. I think it's Yep, that the message that we can drive home. Yeah, sure, as as we wrap up today, if anyone in the live stream has any questions, you can feel free to leave those. Will answer a couple of them before we sign off. As always, we appreciate your support. If you're listening on Itunes, feel free to leave a review. It really helps us out. Makes this move a look up a little bit of the tears and the Algorithm so it's easier to find us. We Love Algorithms. We love the algorithms. We're very algorithmic here and it makes it easier to find and makes us able to better provide more content to you. Yep, absolutely, I think to just while we're on the topic here, or I'm going to go back to the topic. I don't care. Yeah, but yeah, if you're the fun aspect of the player's cup is like I was finding myself, you know, I had gone on, I've been on, let's see, over the course again, I disclosed my my my point totals, but there was a time where I had like lost three in a row in the first round to like very winnable matchups and I just either had a dead hand or, you know, missed a turn and some cases I like, you know, interrupted sworded three times and like I just needed to hit one card and I just didn't do it. You know, it's just like those frustrating, frustrating games. or it's like I should have won, you know, as a one percent chance that I lose and it still happened. But in any case, being able to step away from the game, I think it's a really nice thing. Like avoiding tilt is something that you can do, I generally think, pretty easily in these online players cups. So if you find yourself getting into these tournaments, and, you know, maybe you're on a losing streak and you're finding yourself getting really frustrated and annoyed and angry at the game. Just take a step back, like it doesn't have to be like that. It doesn't have to be so cutthroat and harsh that you're getting mad at the game. I think that can be really destructive as well. So just avoid that tilt there and and step back like like I've been doing. You know, I was like really Gung Ho, really trying to go for it. Ended Up, you know, having that little streak of bad luck and I was just like, okay, you know what, it might be better if I just waited a week and came back to the Players Cup fans. That thing right. That's the thing about the way this tournament is going is like you can always just step back and do it another day. And I must really actually at the end of the the timeline there. Yeah, because at the point that it's not becoming fun, like you're going to make more mistakes, you're going to be tilted, for sure. It's just you're the mistakes are going to compound on themselves. So don't put yourself in that position. For sure, we got a couple questions in chats, so we'll get to those for we sign off for the day. We got loser. Our losers are US asking. What do you think of Salaman's? kind of touched on Saliman's earlier. Not really a deck that I would play myself, but it's super, super cool, and that isn't really a demerit to the deck. I think it's actually pretty decent in terms of the the more niche vmax decks. I think it stands up pretty well and I really enjoyed the spread aspect of it. Mass Dave says, and this...

...is a good question for you, Riley, and I mean for for both of us, but I'm majorly through a game last night at the full grip on line series. Just had to sit back and laugh at myself try to stay positive. Do either of you have any funny stories of throwing a game that was basically on losable at a tournament? Do you have any of those times? Riley, that's such a you're asking me that in such a leading way because you know what the story that you're thinking. Yeah, well, yes, I did have a game that was in a completely unlosable game state. If I played it out completely normally and I just got very confused in the early game and accidentally tried to set up for a new game by picking up my prize cards, and so I got a double prize penalty for it. Let's see, my press it was the mess. It was absolute mass. So yes, I do have a situation like that. It was at a real tournament in a real location. It was. It was horrible, absolutely awful. It's very funny, though, like, looking back, that happened. Yeah, like what kind of more on picks up their prize cards lay through game? I know, right, you have to be so stupid to do that. But you know, thanks for a good story. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, I had one that they just sticks out most to me. I don't know why it sticks out most, but it's just like I always remember this play where I was. I was at this it was that a League Cup? Oh No, I have a better one. Actually, I have a better one that I could share. I have. Okay, so, but now I just cut the eye. Have a better one. Okay. So this is top eight of a regional in like twenty fifteen, I want to say two thousand and fifteen, two thousand fourteen two thousand and fifteen, two thousand and sixteen. That you know, they all just run together anyway, top eight of a regional playing against a good friend. I'm up one hundred in the series playing dark eye garbodor. They're playing Verizi in Geno SEC. It was in like it was that kind of weird period where it was you played standard and then you switched to expand it or something for the second day, and so I had the state where I was just I needed to attack into this one. I made kind of a bad play, but I could have just remedied it. Remedied it by just attacking for the knockout. Instead, I announced the wrong attack and so I had to perform the wrong attack, which didn't get the knockout, which tilted the prize trade. It was with absol from plasma freeze and there was one attack where it just was like it counts the number of, I think, opponent's bench pokemon. It does like that's my jaxt on that and then the other one looks at the opponent's hand. Will I had enough energy to complete the attack that looked at the opponent's hand and I accidentally set it out loud and then my opponent, you know. Well, I was a little tilted at this because they started to move their card to the discard pile, but then they realized that I said the wrong attack, so they put it back in the active and then showed their hand and I was like Brow, you know what I meant, like he can you, you know, get away that, like I'll take my prize. And then as like no, you said the second attack. I was like a little bit tilted because, yeah, I was just against a really good friend of mine and I was like man, how could you do that to me? And I mean it did so and we you know, and I almost like yeah, that was really trying time. Actually, that was probably the saltiest I ever been in a tournament, because I just say that, you know. Anyway, I lose that game because I make that stupid miss play and then I go on to lose the second game in like I get bumped out of cut. And now was a tournament I legitimately thought I could have won because I was kind of like I had a decent matchup, a really good, well, a good matchup in the next round and then it would have been a mirror...

...in the finals. So it was just really frustrating. kind of punt that one away and toppy. You know, actually I want to build off of that. The worst part about the fact that I lost that game where I picked up my price cards, and, to be fair, you probably should lose a game where you pick up your price cards by mistake, but as a double prize penalty, you know, where they have to take two less prizes to win or whatever. And the only reason I actually lost was because I unnecessarily benched at execute and the Ko the execute, but the only pokemon left in their deck that could attack and it only did like fifty damage. That's bad. That was actually the worst part of all of that is if it just didn't fetch the execute. You know, it's one thing to be so stupid that you pick up your fries cards, but then to continue to play bad for the rest of the game. Yeah, it's so tilting. Yeah, that's horrible, man, I feel bad. Funny. Well, I think there's no better way to wrap up than by reviewing our failures. So thank you all so much. As always, do rate and review on your podcasting platforms, and we will catch you next time. Pace see you. Guess.

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