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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 23 · 8 months ago

3-23. The Lightning Round

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back for some Player's Cupdates on the Vivid Voltage format, but with some extra fun mixed in! Come in for fun conversation, fun memories, and the lightning round (not PikaRom!).

Yo, what is TAT guys welcome back totag team, the Fokmon Trading Card Games for mere podcasting do my name is Raleiholvert joined, as always by my lovely good good friend, MR JW Cree Wall FW.How you doing today very well now I could add, lovely to the intro LareYeah. Well, you're doing this little presidential wave kind of thing it itslike. That's a adjective that kind of sprung. To my mind, gess kind of alittle like queenly Wayyeah, yeah yeah. It was nice it as Nice, nice littlelike you very much very regal, yeah, very regal wave. Yes, thank you over. Iinpey how's everything going with you Ralyit's going! It's going well, so the project I've been working at work. Ithink I mentioned this last week- is wrapping up at the end of the month,Yep Tho owe're rolling out hospital software at a new hospital at the endof the month, which is like the most crazy time ofthe project, because now everyoneis stressed out Te. They have like lastminnute requests, they're, worried, ou things going wrong, and so it's beenreally hectic, but also like a satisfying time. At the same time, youknow see Tis come to his conclusion. It's kind of like kind of like that.Last minute, fervor, you know had a hotel room before an event. Wheneveryone's like do we play O, we play the pony, tod Doilit, the grimer. It'slike it's kind of feels like that. You know right, Wer e. We have the deck, we knowthe deck. It's like. What is this last? What is the sixtyof car going to be? isat the great ball or the grime right kind of thing. That's pretty excitinghoestly. It is pretty exciting, but, as a consequence, I have been ompletelywiped Tho. I went to bed at nine yesterday and I woke up at eight todayand I'm just still so tired yeah, I iam. So I'm a little worried about thataspect of kind of coding right in that software world, where things have thosedeadlines, and so you just you know you stay up until you meet it right. Yes, Ireally do like to separate kind of work from pleasure, and you know if that, if that comes intoyou know, budting heads with each other. It's certainly makes for long nights,as you said for sure, and so you know I was talking with with my boss, and ourplan is after this project. I've had a lot of months where I've kind of gotover what I would want out of my work week, O kinus kind of have like a monthof Shill time, basically Sowherenot, really a lot of my plate, thatd be great yeah Yo, I'm feelinggood, though it's been a satisfying time. How about you boot camp is gone well, we're in week.For now it's crazy! Just how much I can do you know Calin in the classes anddoing the instantiating, the objects and etc, etc. It's pretty fun, you know,still been having fun we're getting heared up for a big capstone project that we are making a well, it's our like week, one module orexcuse me, our Mochal, one kind of capstone and ice making a basically like a ending machine style.You know program, but I got my partner for it. We met up tonight, discuss whatwe need to do and it should be a good little project and then I also, if you have a Linkedin in yourlistening, add me on Lington John Creewall over onLinkedon. I would love to connect and I also need to connect because I need itfor an assignment. So if you want to do me a solid up on over send me a littlerequest. I'll be more than happy to accept you, you really got to make the plug there.I Wai did I mean this is Proablan one of the biggest platforms that I have.You know outside of Youtube, so I said it over there. I'm Ta say here. Youknow: gotta got Ta cast that Net Srei...

Guess so I guess. But in this way Iguess it's a little bit mutually beneficial right, because you dosomething for me and then I you know, do something for you in a way in. Youknow what what do you call it connecting on lengthen see? I don'teven know- and it's like it's like facebook light or something Idon't really understand linked in. Like I professional facebook, I guess yeah,it's like facebook, but a little more professional kind of of like it'sfocused on business. There's there's like job applications built into linkedin to like yeah kind of like monster. TAT's kind of like got a similar thingon okay, so, but instead of seeing like memesfrom from grandma you're, seeing you're, seeing like thes bizarre, likeselfhelp posts from CEA millennial, explains lengthd into boomer. That's what it is, though you get these.You know you get these either get this weird. Like forty fifty year old he'slike not quite plugged into how things ore Cosessian Medis like trying toexplain like how important businessis or you have like you know, you got theeighteen. Twenty year old, CEO who's, like yeah, wake up at five am every dayyou got to stay on. Thet Grind Tyeah, it's like that's Horon! Addy of this grind mentality, O it's kind of Goofy,but you know it's a good plat. I can' wait to DELV more into it, but that isenough linked in for now I want to get on to some pope. Let's talk poke andlet's talk full grip online series. We just had a tournament yesterday in theexpanded Forman. I don't know if you got to watch much of it, probably notconsidering how busy you were, but it was a very fun time we had about thirtyentrance. I've been finding that just generally speaking, a lot of attendancenumbers are down for tournaments, pretty much across the board, but Ithink expanded the people that, like to play expanded like really like Tho playexpan. I do so W. I'm very happy that we were able to. You know, give thepeople that, like expanded a very you, know safe and Nice Environment, to play,and we actually had some particularly interesting decks. When I want ahighlight from last night in third place, Brian playeda Mallamar v v Max deck yeah, a malmarv Max deck. There you go. Do you want totake take a guess, is what Bout Mal Marvimax does iit takes a car from yourhand and puts it on or your Pon is hand an pus on the bottof Er deck. I do knowthat yeah, so so, essentially that tard yeah too dark in a colorless and thething that makes it you know a little bit better, certainly different fromTrevin and Dusnor is that you get to choose the card yeah. So that is like ahuge advantage, because you can still do that same strategy of either endingor Ace trainering, your opponent down to a low hand size, and then you get tochoose the card in their hand, so pretty nice little attack, and then youpowereid up with electrod same kind of idea that we had with the Trevenin odusk, nor you don't really give yourself too much leeway in the sensethat you know you're giving up a coupleprizes. So if your opponent can knock out of Malamar VMEX and find you knowone more prize, you know it's a little bit easier of a time for them to winthe game. But generally speaking same kind of idea- and I thought it wasreally unique- I don't think I've seen a Malamar v Max deck yet yeah, it'skind of like I don't know if it's necessarily an evolution, but it's aalternative strategy to that Trivena in Duss Nar strategy, you knowit seemslike a logical progression. Yeah. You know you don't have them meloticanymore, to really abuse that a price trade to power up your Treenen,industnor and obviously ELECTROC cannot power up DEVERAN THATS NAR ye. So thisis, I i'Llturn, I tragy accompishes a very similar goal, pretty cool,honestly yeah. It is really cool. We saw a lot of really great play justacross the board...

...and I just was reminded just how much Ilove expanded. It seems like every time because I always am in the standardformat or I should say not always but generally in the standard. Four minutes.That's where most of the action happens. You know Players Cup is in the standardformat. You know people are just generally moreinterested in standard, particularly th, newer players, and so I just generallyfeel like I'm in the standard format a lot but anytime we have expanded eventsthat it can be really really fun and last night was another reminder of justhow crazy expand it can get yere. So you know there's not a lot of expanetgoing on right now, but I am curious. You know what does your take as far asthe top dog and expanded right now, or at least the one that you would choosefrom the top to year? Sure Yeah? Well, that's a really cool thing aboutexpanded is that there just are so many options, and you really can't. I don't know that the Meta game is likecentralized enough to really say. Oh yes, this is by far the best deck,because I think, on the whole you know, Rae can win,Zahan can win, ATP can win, drag a pult one. Last night stall has a really goodchance. You know you have just a number of decks that you know we look in thein the standard. FORMETUCE is there's a number of decks that are like kind ofclose to the top, but generally speaking, you're going to have you know,sent to Scorge Pekerum, you know, Lukemetal Atternat is probably is goingto win a tournament, but in the expanded format you have maybe doublethat amount of decks that could reasonably go on to win the tournament.So I don't know that I could definitively say that we have a dactobest deckor. Even you know three best decks, but that's what makes itexpanded fun for sure sure. So you know I'm on justthe decks in general and expaned. Tis are one that ust really its you goingthat you're really excited to play or try out. Ui Have A. I don't know. Ihave a liking to ATP in the expanded format. Just because you can do the GXattack like we think that the gx attack is pretty unfair and current standardnow imagine just doing it for one energy attachment. So that to me is Idon't know I'm kind of cruel in that way that I like it, but yeah ATP inexpanded. I justgenerally like that, and then you get kind of crazy with Zauhians andexpanded as well, just because there's so much deckhinning that it's pretty easy to get a exautionpowered up in expanding. You know you can battle compressor and then getthose entergy back woth the metal sauce or like we said the ATP can attack for oneenergy. So you know you can go ahead and- and you know atpgx attack and thengo in and and Exa ches on the next turn fairly easily. You got things likeMaxelixer, so those are always really fun. DECS, I think for sure, yeah super cool stuff. I got to say I really do like the thedagopoe garb deck. It just seems really fun to play. Ou K, O lockor Ponsibility,throw damage counters all over the place, just like a very it's kind of like an iteration of aclassic Straegy and like locking down your poent and spreading dame alwaysfun to day yeah for sure- and that is one of you know those decks. That isreal, a really nice crossover that gets a lot of things in the expanded FormaDragon Hole. You know being a deck that really isn't featured that heavily andstandard, which is kind of an interesting thing. Like generallyspeaking, you know we think of the ATPS. Astion deck is being a good kind ofport. You know not, maybe not one to one but t it gets some new tools, butit generally remains. You know kind of the same idea dragopule. It gets kindof a new layer of complexity, and I love that about that deck. Absolute,really cool! Well, you know expandid Super Fun once the next expanded fullgrup online series do we know I don't know about the next expanded one, butthe next tournament will be in two...

...weeks on the Seventeenh so probablygoing to be standard. We might even I haven't really talked to Natali aboutit, but we might do some experimentation with bands. The banning things has been somethingthat we've been generally reluctant to do. The last standard format was thefirst one that we had banned ADTP in, but I don't know the more. I think about itthe more I kind of could picture a format akin to what they do and VGC incertain spheres of VGC, where they're always just kind of banning thingsbased on how you know popular they are and unbanning things based on. You knowhow underused they are, and things like this, so I think that could be kind of fun wherewe just maybe experiment a little bit more than what other people are doing.I don't know Wellat the talk wel. I can't wait to see how thatdevelops. Let's talk about the players gup, though, so speaking of standardswith no bands, we have the Players Cup right now. Quite a few people havelowed through quite a few, if not all, of their keys. You know we're lookingat about three weeks left here. I'm like pretty impressed with theamount of people who've like already steamed through their tes. I can'tbelieve it honestly cannot believe it. It is impressive to say the least,because I find myself spending a good. You know if I'm making it to the finals,I'm spending. You know forty five minutes to an hour on a tournament andsomebody might hear that, and they might say, Whoa O Woa. You know you'regoing way too slow, but I don't know I've been putting the challenge onmyself, for the Players Cup to you know, play every game optimally like playevery game like it's the finals of worlds or something like that, whereI'm checking my prizes just double checking my routing just again beingvery on top of where I'm going with every move that Imake so yeah. Maybe it's taken me a little bit longer in terms of theamount of time, but still I mean I feel like thirty to forty five minutes is.Is reasonable and then you're doing that fifty times, that's a number ofhours, pretty pretty crazy. To think thatthere are a lot of people that are already finished with their tournamentkeys, yeah and it also comment. It seems, like the the top of the leader board, will capoff much higher than it did in the previous players. Cout yeah. I don'tknow if you notice that but point it are pretty high yeah. I don't quiteknow what to Attrib Youe to that, because I don't necessarily I mean it'simpossible to know without you know statistic like true statistics, but Idon't know that there's necessarily any more players playing now. I don't knowthat. There's any anything, you know more any more hype generated around thegame or anything like that. I'm just truly not sure where these numbers arecoming from, because yeah you're looking at the top of the leader board,I think Alex Shamansky with a hundred and seventy three rep. I believe I sawthat out thr, which is absolutely that's absurd. That is absterd ahundred and seventy that's more than three points per key. So that's onaverage he did better than a second place finish in every single tournament,which is just a ridiculous. Clip stated that he played Cento Scorch by the wayfor those keys, so incredible incredible and yeah you're,seeing it just across the board, like I'm thinking that when we had playersCup to you know our cutoff was about that late. Eighty early Niney, I think itended up being ninety eight or Nino. Excuse me. Eighty eight or eighty nineand I would not be surprised, based on the numbers that we've been seeingthrough the first week of a hundred being about that cutoff yeah I mean it's Goinna, it's going tobe tight and I mean who's to say like maybe we just have the outliers are allcoming out of the gate early, but I mean I was. I was pretty taken it back honestly byhow high these points are getting so yeah and definitely stay in your Toesogoing through you keys, try and get to that pripple digits, and if you can, Imean yeah. Of course, more points are...

...better than fewer points. You know andwe'll never truly know until everything is calculated, but yeah. It's prettyabsurd. Just the high end, like you said, is very, very high and I don'treally know what to attribute that to, since they were both played in the same format, and you knowessentially- and I don't know that- There's more playersplaying. So what's that or Tevid woltage, I know GW. I personally have not started mykeys. I've stayed true to my word that I'm going to plough through my key onthis coming weekend. I'm planning to go through at least thirty of them. You started off with a couple how'sthat gone for you. It's gone pretty well, so I'm sitting at twenty threepoints after eight keys used. So that has me feeling really good so far, andI've used strictly pikarum. I kind of talked on the cast. How I thoughtPekrum atturnitis would be my kind of two go tos and maybe, if I felt likethe medagame was shifting in such a way that you know colossal would be theplay, then I might go that way, but I've kind of found that Pikaram is justit's just been rolling. For me. I've been facing a lot of Adpz, which I feltvery good about, haven't lost a game to that deck yet feel like I can outplay sent to scorch.Generally speaking, I have a loss. I think, against that atturnatis feelsvery doable and so yeah I just I'm likein the deck and I think I'm goingto roll it at least for another. You know ten keys or so and then reassessfrom there, but akeys played twenty three total points, so I'm well ontrack to making that threshold. So that's a great, certainly greatfeeling pretty sick. We also have gotten some data collected by Celio'snetwork over on Youtube, got some of the top players so far in the rankingsand what they've been playing it. What's the main trends coming outof that was to take away here. Yeah sure I mean there's pretty you know it's a pretty smallwindow of like what is doing well. So pikaram is right. There, a couple ofplayers playing pekrom, the most represented deck in the top twenty five.So far again, this is there's a number of factors that will talk about aboutwhy this maybe isn't the most like accurate. You know prediction, but youknow there's some Luke metals. There are for four Luke metals. There arethree cent O scorch a number of ATPZ Pekerom like I said, and you know somealternitiv scattered in there as well. So you know pretty pretty much thedecks that we kind of thought we would see yeah for sure for sure kind. Ofcourse you know there's kind of an Astris extat data. You know only onedeck was collected per person as far as I'm aware, which isn't necessarily the case forhow things maybe actually went like. Certainly they could have playedmultoters and and other things to are like you know, there are times whereyou maybe want to switch out a few cards. You know so even the list thatsome people provide, maybe they switched out car. I've certainly donethat in my Akes I've tried, you know, Pekarom with you know, minus one cardplus one other card. You know it's just those little tiny variations that that you can have so e h, like El themicrocosm of the Meta or the players cop changes over time. I specificallyI'll think back to like Players Cup to Pekeron us like anominal deck in theearly stages of Players Cup to H, and it was still good later on, but Inoticed the the further we got into the weeks. The more there was like Excadril,the more there was Santa Canda. You know like this weird stuff, that's justlike yeah, I'm trying to be the lightning deck up right, yeah rightright, I mean I still feel like you know, there's a lot of ATP there's alot of sent to scorch and you're. Taking you know pretty favorablematchups tof, those lukemetal is...

...certainly doable. We've discussed thatmatchup a lot here on tag team, but just that matchup is not something thatI'm. I don't want to see it, but I'm notnecessarily scared about seeing it. So I think if you're you know looking toplay players scup and you're, like Oh man, I'm worried about all thecounterdecs to my Pekaron, really really don't be the only counters thatwe've seen so far among the top again. This is also just among the top twentyfive, so their cap is going to be wo. Fifty six, so you know. Certainly,there are other players that are Goingnto, make it in playing differentdecks, but the only k, ow consistent kind of counterdeck that we've seenamong the top twenty five players has been Decidui, obstacon for sure sure yeah, so any other updates. As far as thePlayers Cup goes tow any like meter shift that you see in Er Cox, you wantto make yeah, I mean my sample. Size is fairlysmall. I played in eight tournaments, but I've seen a pretty wide breadth. I meanATP has been the most the deck I face, the most sent to Scorch I've seen a lotof so I would just be cautious if you're taking a deck into Players Cupthat has you know a highly unfavorable matchup against either of those twodecks. I think you might want to rethink your choice other than thathaven't realeased again, my sample size is very, very small, but haven't seen aton of Aternitis haven't really seen like there's no other Mu Tu decks. Iactually face my first PEK around mirror today when I played a key yeah, it wasa little surprising. I is funny. I played a Pikache vmax deck before Iplayed a Pekeramdeck yeah yeah people are just trying a lotof interesting things. I think O he on theladder there's a lot of the same in that atypcent to Scorch, and then youknow, I'm seeing some whimsicod I'm seeing some orbeetle that peak a Chu vMax steck Ye a lot of there's just going to be some random stuff sure. So, let's go to our next talking pointthen and so Gw. I want to do kind of a lightning round with you here I have alist of cards and either cards that or decks in somecases that you know it's frustrating to lose to them. So if you want to beat the cards that Ilist out, I want you to list like say the deck or the tach that you wouldinclude in a particular day to make yourself more resilient in thesematchops. Okay, so, first and foremost, is, I think, the Star Child of theformat crushing Hammer. If you want to overcome crushing Hammer, what's thedeck of choice play crushing Hammer Yourself, I mean that's like kind of a copoutanswer, but, like you know, it's u use evil against evil. You know turn evilon it for sure. Try to mitigate the opponent'sadvantage, because you know crushing Hammer Coan be so good and you know ifyour deck has a space for ID. I think you can afford to run it. I thinkPikeram is just one of those one of those decks again. It's like it's greatto run, crushing Hammrin, because yeah you have the space. Why not yeah, Ithought for sure in response to crushing Hanver use they like Senenscorch or something for Stan Cor, AAll rightnext stuff. I have DeciduiLas Tecitu Offo to you. It's got ta be Agusslah, it just lashs, just like anAty pdeck yeah and en I I mean aslys ADYP for sure yeah. Next Stup is mad party ind. Also likeasters, like single prizers, single prizers. How do you beat DragApult You'R making? Thank you. That's! Okay! Next step, ARS Tagn Pakia, crushing hammer yeah in what deck you need to deck Tude. Ifyou're going to Sayee crushing hammer in, I think you could say peek. I've hadreally good success so far. Okay, next...

...that you want to be Pikachu and Zekra play atturnidus, okay, XF! You want toplay it. You want to be Atternei. This play colossal allright next step. You want to beatSenti scorge play. Oh Gosh, this one's hard. I meanbecause as much as as much as sent a scorch like as much as we don't like it,you know and E. I think you know t our viewers will know we're not really lbut.You know it doesn't. It doesn't really have a truly bad match. I would saythat Pekeram is probably its worse matchup. If you have a competentPekaron player, I think they corse Thatis arthin yeah. I think personally yeah for sure.I, because I think Peker Rumkan really prey on the prey on the the early game, setups that that Centine scorch can sometimesfumble around with cooll. Those are the main ones I wantedto call out. We might bring this fact sometime. I thought this is pretty funthat hurt yeah. I understood what you said when you were like you were tryingto hide it from Coe. Show you're like oh I'm Gon Na, saysomething, and I wanted to be off the cuff and I was like. Are you leavingthe podcast like? What's going on he's like? No? No, NO TRUST ME! It's goingto be fine. So before we go into car of the day, Ido Y. U want to call it if you're listening live right now start tosubmit your questions in chat. That way we can get to those for the end of thecast here, the card of the day it's Riley Serifi car of the day, and I havea fight one for you. So in the spirit of the Players Cup andplaying in tournaments on pokmon trading card game online, I wanted tohearken back to a fun memory that I had playing the fokmontrating card gameonline. So around the time that I started, theway that you would get your first deck was that you would play a theme deckand you would enter the theme deck tournaments and you know you get like acouple packs from those and then you do those to trade for your Shaans orwhatever, and slowly build up your deck, and once you have like a playable deck,you go onto the regular tournaments and usually the decks in. There were verybad, so you culd win so my deck of choice or the theme decktournaments, when I wasn't playing basic, blue or basic greetin, becausethose were pretty powerful as well Wasa night striker and Net Chekeris, apretty infamous meme in pokemon yeah. But so I want to call out as my cart ofthe day, the noivern from break through soive heard from right through is areally bad card. ISI think it's for three energy, adarkes psychic and a colorlist. It does one twenty and discards and energy, andthat's it's only attack it soundbout right. It's really bad, especially Itedek format. You have to keep attaching to it. An it's like no, anincredible amount of damage honestly like there are plenty of thing, dectcards that do more damage. So it's just it's such a goofy car. Itlooks really cool. I think dorens a really cool pokmon honestly, and it hasa lot of really cool looking guards, but goodness that break through noif isso awful, the sete a Heev deck around it. I think Noge from brakhere to me,like a perfect simpilization of how themedecks have evolved in terms of Ye,the pokemon that represent them, sir oiverns is so awful. You compare thatagainst, like or modern themedex, where you have stuff, like alone executor oryou have stuff like swamper or maybe not swomper, it wasn't a Keteck,but that and poleon was Teim deck like all the like much stronger tars, Soi just wanted to give noiver Ju shoutout as, like my origin, let's turn yeah...

...running deck. You know that's great.How many? How many packs do you think you got off Novern? I got a fair amount.I mean I wanted to call it noiver specifically because it was an actualtheme, Deck Yeap. I would say I got more packs off of the Basic Green Deck,which is like okay, the the trainer challenge deck that you got. If youstarted during x and Y, a lik was very strong actually because Hou had theshift tree that like discarded grass and drew three cards, but the noivern. I still got a fairamount of packs. I definitely got at least a shamein worth to packs. Offten,like you know, I distinctly remember a at the time. I was working at like aboard and trained facility for dogs, so we'd like it was like a dog hotel wherewe also traine them. If you wanted to Lik, leave them for two weeks to betrained, yeah and so on. Sundays, though I was the only onewho was working, we didn't have any training on Sundays and my job was bas,good to stay there all day in case there was a pickup and also just likeclean up indmee the dogs and so yeah. You know during my off time on Sundays.I would just bring my laptop in and play these tournaments, so I in so likeI ceeup it, my no for deck, so I got enough stuff, actually build a realdeck, so just very fin memories. THAT'S SO IPIC! I love that very cool. Well, let's get to someviewmor your questions. I have one more topic as well for the day, and so it's actually in the spirit. Sowe met kind of mentioned earlier vivid voltage, yea, Wy, ivolted, just kind ofa flop. So Jw, I didn't tell you this stopiceither, but I'm curious what you think do you think battlestyles will changethings up like can should I I feel like that.Question is a little open ended because so, let's say rel yeah the how I I oageimpacted the format. ICH impacted the format. What do you think batle stylesimpact movie like comparatively yeah, I feel like it will be pretty high comparatively now. That's I feel likeit's not saying much like so on the SCILL. Let's go on the l from vividvoltage to darkness a blaze in terms of format, impact yeah, okay, okay, giveme like how about a one to ten. So let's do I'm goingto say in like six, Idon't think it'll be particularly it's going to introduce a few new archetypes.You look at their Ershifu ershafuzs, but nothing that I'm particularly lookingat that saying like Oh, yes, this will absolutely shift the metagame, becauseyou know fighting. I is good, but we've seen a lot of these other decks be veryresilient to fighting. You know me to is a great example of how you can justadd a couple: Ino your peak deck and like Youyou're, okay against fightingso yeah. I think it'll, I think, it'll begood. The support Pokemon to me aren't necessarily super impactful with theformat that we do, but they should do something we should be able toconstruct some new strategy. So I'm going to say it's going to be good:it's not going to be gamebreaking six out of ten Otan Awesome, and is that,like that's on that scale of Iboltis, the darkness ablaze, Yeah Yeah, exactlyexactly so, I think it'll make A. I guess like if I can put that six andattend into some words. It will make bring us a couple of new archetypessimilar, like you know, colossals an archetype that we have that's. You KnowVery Meta right now, it'll bring us something like that andthen you know maybe another kind of one of those one of those weird hiddenarchetives. So we don't know kind of right off the bat that Pokmon doesn'tjust print right for us, and so I think 'm have some impact, but not not a hugeone, at least not until we get rid of tag teams. Yeah I mean that sounds about what Iwould think as well wel. So let's jump...

...into our viewer questions for the day.First, up from bortmilk twenty five we have, would you continue playing afterrotation if they announced the ATP? Isn't rotating? Well, I don't think they're going to dothat. I hope not that's a good question,though Bord I would say yeah absolutely. I would I mean yeah, I'm playing now yeah. I think we've talked about it.Why are people so down on the format? It's not the best forma, but I alsothink we're in this pressure cooker of there's really nothing to do with ourlives, so people are probably playing more pokmon than they ever have before,and you know they're playing in more tournament situations than ever before,which is where you're going to get the most salty when you lose to an ATP. So I and you know, we've had this formatfor a fairly long time again, like vivid voltage like we were saying,didn't really bring a lot to the table, so I think it's a number of factors,that's really contributing to a lot of these people saying you know, I don'tlike the format right now and actively think that you know the this formatwould be better without certain cards and there's just an anger againstPokemont that I have never seen before, despite playing in like way. Worseformats than this, I'm not that's not too excuse what we're in right now, butI'm just saying generally pokmon has been SIC cyclocal in the ten years. Idon't think the game is going to the crapper, like some people think. But yes, I understand. If ADP was here,it wouldn't be great. I wouldn't be happy, but I don't think that's goingto happen, so I hope that isn't going to happen so right. Hopefully we wantto worry about it yeah I would say even if they made some kind of weird specialexception where, like every card from to mon rotates, except for ATP, I would still continue to play like Idon't think. Truly I mean ATP is obviously like a problem card right,but I don't think ATP is like the sole offender for what's going on at thegame at the moment with the game, you have all sorts of factors that arecoming into it and atps just a part of that puzzle. So I mean, I think, ultimately likewe're going to have to look at like a larger corrective path, which we haveseen. Pokmon kind of like shift diractions eededly over the years right, so I think I think at the moment ATP iscertainly a problem card, but it's not the offender for all things wrong inthe format yeah. So I mean I love this game. I love playing it. I love talkingabout it, so I would, I would still stay involved. fourse yeah. Definitely, next step. We have real slam. Shady askwhat archetype do you guys think should come back into the metagame, so I guess there's two angles: Whocould approach this fromence like or like a archetype, maybe wwe're fond ofversus archetype- that you think maybe has a place in the Meta, maybeoverlooked. Ou vdo have any ininitial thoughts foreither those angles. You know we do have a spread deck inthe form of orbitle, but I think just a fan favorie would be some type ofstronger spread. I mean, I guess we could argue or Beatles pretty strong,since you can spread multiple times in a turn but spread on an attack. I thinkis the most traditional way we've seen spread in the past, so that would besome kind of archetype. I'd like to have back yeah. I think I'd love to see like morecontrol kind of deck kind of reemerge and we seen definitely all sorts ofattempts. Different variants come up over over the month, but I I really do enjoy like blowingdown the pace of the game and really going methodical and thinking throughthose plays so yeah. We have seen standerd gothrough a couple, different versions of control and standard. I would love tosee that kind of archetype, reemerge yeah. Those are definitely some of themost thought provoking games that I've ever had is playing something like youknow: Pigy control or wall stall, yeah for sure...

...next, step from Pokin injus swag forPlayers Cup. What is the best play out of these three ATP ATTERNIS andSentiscorce, and then worst pick out of those three, so basically we're rankingthose three yeah if out of three Picke the best in the worst t a sounds right,yeah! Well, why don't you tackle this one? Rightly okay, so I think you can look at it frommaybe like a macro perspective or from like our personal perspectives, becausewe are pretty biased, tosent against Centi sporge. I actually think amongthose three in like terms of order of what I would play, I would say:Atturnisis is number one, especially in the environment like theplayerscup I enjoyed just like going fast and plowing through things, YehSeni corce would probably be my number two actually and the reason I pick atps. The wars isnot necessarily because he houored or because at piece of bad deck, it's just a finicky deck its a det thatI don't like playing and there's all sorts of like weirdroom for things to go wrong that are completely out of your control, just inthe same way there's opportunity for things to go right for you, they'recompletely out of your opponents, control yeah, thesure, AP and Tomy, inmy opinion, removes a lot of agency from the game. I'd rather just play adifferent, DEP yeah. I think yeah, there's, there's amaybe a little more room to potentially out play opponents with the deck. Likesent to Scorch, you know you have the first attack on sent to SCORCHV. Youhave you know various text that you can play with the with the scupup nets, andthings like that. So there might be a little bit more of an opportunity to kind of counter what your oponentstrying to do so yeah. I would. I would largely largely agree with that. For me: I'mjust going to put set th scorch at the bottom, though I still would probablytake ATP over it, but I can't you know I can't fall to anyone that that lovesentof scorch. I think it has put up the numbers to be considered. You know a strongdeck, it's just mean you can just look at alxoms. These players got PRI,unbelievable, unbelievable yeah, really truly a a ridiculous performance, andyou know what I might have to give cent to scorch some more some moreconsideration. I mean I feel like I always say that, and then I just likeget back on my old. You know high horse and be like now I'm never playing SUCporch in the worst teck of all time, but yeah. You know congratulations to allthe players that have just dominated with sent to Scorch, because you'recertainly putting it on the map for sure I think that's a pretty well roundedepisode we're coming out wit here. If there's other ideas, you have forlightning round kind of segments be sure to let us know on twitter, we loveto kind ofkeep going with this idea. At least I would, I think it's really funyeah. Otherwise you can still be sure to check us out on twitter. That's at tag t pokemon at Real John Walter andat smiles riles, be sure to give us a Raht inrerview if you're listening on apodcasting platform and helps booth up and get us discovered, so we can keepmaking awesome, podcast content for you guys and do let us know what you likeand don't like in that rating. You know it doesn't Dosn't Hav to be a five staroff rip like if you have something that you'd like to see change a lot of now.Yeah that'd, be great that'd, be great. We're always look for new ideas, alwayslove to hear from from all of you, so would be happy to Havey to hear fromyou guys. Otherwise, if you're playing in the Players Cup have good luck, havefun. Keep yourself centered if you're, not playing in the Players Cup, keep enjoying poke like find ways to play and enjoy yourself if you're trying to buyshining fates, God speed and we'll catch you all next time see you guys base.

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