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Season 3, Episode 6 · 1 year ago

3-6. The Melmetal Curtain

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are loving Lucario Melmetal Zacian, come hear about the Player's Cup is going and how the meta is developing in a LMM world.

Yo ATS, up everybody welcome back totag team, the POKAMON trading card games, fromer paasting duo. My name isRiley Holbert joined, as always by my good good friend, Gwcre WL, GW how's itgoing today. Hey it's going pretty well Riley. How are you man, I'm not going?Ta Lie, I'm stressed, but I'm thriving too. You know like yeah, you were njust,saying how how you ere playing with your hair, because you're so stressed. I I don't know if I'm so stressed with.I am stressed and when I do that I twirl my finger like around the end ofmy hair 'cause. I have like a little bit of a curl to it. So, like I twistaround the curl, but then it makes my whole hair, very chaotic, Um. So just amess, but you know things are going well. On the whole, I can't complain Gotcha Gotcyha Yeah. I, when I getstressed, I eat a lot of chewing gum so yeah. This was like a week ago it'salready gone my spearment extra yeah ll. I was telling you hout another one.That's halfway through. I was telling you last week about the ice breakers nd,how those are like deadly for me: Um Yeah, yea, I'm out of ice freakers. Ididn't, I didn't buy new ones. When I went to the store, do you do the mintones or do you get the yeah? I get the Labor Oorn, the green ones like greenapple? No, it's it's likethise spearmen verses, like whatever else meant O see. I like theflavored ones, like the fruidy ice breakers Ar Ogood ar I like our thewhole. I like MIT, because it's like cold, you know 's, it's a coldsensation when you bite into it and I only know ow a lat. I really likebubble gum flavor, but I never buy the bubblegum flavored chewing gum. 'causethen I would just like the spearment is like something that I'll eat and I'lljust have like one piece like periodically, but then the Babo Gum Iwould just like- probably just eat like multiple pieces. At a time I just Idon't know I like it too much y a well, that's Jis candy at that point, right,Ol right! That's what I'm saying so yeah cool any exciting developments inthe last week in the Rod Fu. I wish I could say that there was I'mgoing to be going this upcoming week, a'm leavingtomorrow for for a high school friend's wedding, so in the wedding party forthat, and so I'm going to be leaving tomorrow and going there and yeah and then quarantining afterwards,I'm gong to try to get a trying to get a Cova test after the wedding, but itshould be very small. You know very I mean as safe as you can have it. Youknow with inviting people, so you know I'm going to take a risk right. It is arisk, but at the same time it's also like a wedding of a really good friend,and I I trust uh. I trust everyone. That's going there to be safe. You knowit's not like a friend it's a friend, that's Um that you know would would beconscious and in their family would be conscious of cobed, so Um yeah, I'mfeeling as safe as I can be in that kind of social setting. Sur Yeah Nice,Nice, O yeah, enjoy your expedition. Yeah it'll be fun, I mean because thisreally is the first time that I've seen people yeah Um. You know in closeproximity since March yeah I feel, like I haven't, seen a human being, anforever anyeah yeah. I mean we would do things like with with the church groupUm and go out. You know to like a park or something,but we just haven't stayed anywhere with anyone inside in six months, yeah Kinda, where we areright now, yeah, definitely a wild scenario. Truthsellet's jump right in there. Let's, let's talk, Bok Players Cup rages on acouple of weeks left to finish out that qualification and we've seen some someshits and how things are going. If you ask me at least, I think primarily the the main benefactor of which has beenlecardio mail medal.

Kinda went from nobody really playingit, and then I got a couple. Nice performances, including Andrew's,finish at the follger all Ling series last week, and since that I think it's been trulyvery popular. It's been making a lot of waves. A lot of people are playing itand lot of top players are playing it at these playerscup tournaments. So Y, I have my own thoughts. I' I'vealways enjoyed the card on hy metal. Do you have any insight as to why it'sbeen on such a rise? Yeah? Well, I've actually been paying it a lot for myplayers, scup run and- and we can talk about just our individual performanceeshere in a second but is a deck that gives you more than one turn gives youmore than you know, two or three turns like the eighty P right can y? U, you knowalmost immediately. You know from the first couple of turns like whether ornot you in er loose, but with Lcaria melmetal. You have a little bit ofwiggle room to outplay your opponent. I've actually found some of the mostinteresting match. UPS In this format to be a Lucario, mal, metal, mirror-and I say interesting- you know relatively speaking, but it's certainlythe most thinking that I've had to do in this format. In terms of you know,what do I attack with when and when do I play certain cards as opposed toholding on to certain cards, and you know, when do I set up a back ofattacker or not, and just all these little things that I think about inthat match of I've really been enjoying myself with that, I think again, thedeck gives players the most room to ou play their opponents and I think that'swhy we're seeing people jump onto it as a viable option.Yeah. No doubt it's been a favorite of mine in my players, Cup of events. Sofar as well, and for a lot of the same reasons thatyou said you get multiple turns it slows down the Tempe of the game. It'sone of the only decks where I will choose to intrepid sword and that'slike my choice. You know Illi'll have like the abilities to attack and likewell. Actually, I walk to an trepid sword. This turn and like do somethingnext, her. That's like much more fabulous than this yeah sure you knowand you get to hide by the dolls, and you have this like tanking factor really good turnitis match UF with theZamazentas and just using the one's auhion to pick off major threats, and it's really very fun, and you know youhave a week match up in a firedaxk, we'll talk about firedecks, but the fact that you get to take thesegames out and make more strategic play. I think it's made it really a big drawfor a lot of these tacks. Yeah and you look at the favorable matchups forLucario Melmedal and you have a favorable match up into straightATTERNITISS. You have a very, I would say, unfavorable matchup, into poisonatternatives, depending on how like this, the skill level of the player.But then you also take a very favorable, maybe not very favorable, but afavorable match up for my experience into ADP. So that's another reason. Youknow when we're seeing these Players Cup tournaments, especially early on alot of people, were just running AP. I think I've seen less and less ad P asthe tournaments have gone on. I don't quite know why that would be, but I Icertainly have noticed a dip, as opposed to like the first Ie playetwenty five. Now, the first twelve, I would say I hit ADP at least one time atournament, and then these last you know twelve I've pretty much seen it sporadically Um.But you look at those two being kind of the the big bullies of the format andthen Yo. You also have ways to get around fire in the form of the bronzesong. It's not a perfect answer by any means, particularly F sent to Scorch,which is the biggest firedeck right now, particularly if centascorge plays acramarants they're very easily able to deal with. You know at the very t least,one bronz Zong. It's really hard to get two brons dung up in that Matcip, butwith a Cramarat they're able to do that and so Centti scorch isn't. Quite theyou know: easiest matchip, even if you...

...do include something like a bronze Zong,but it is a deck that you can try to Tecke for yeah yeah. It's it's definitely t solid. Allaround Dack I mean the fire match up is what it is right, like the VIRDEX. Aslong as they have a cramarant will definitely beat you pretty much and honestly, like I don't even botherwith the bronze online very often yeah. It just feels like a waste of space.Ninety percent of the time yeah well sure it is, but I think that the deckalso has that room. You know you'r. It definitely does like if ethe iest, lockout of Xaushian, so you have Y. Ah, I would say you have somewhere betweenfour and six slots, that you can just kindof fool around with. You know: Um kind of tailor the deck to or to yourliking, and so I I like that as well about the list is that you just havethat option agreed fersire, it's a very Faal Te.It's honestly, you know it's similar to ADP in the fact that it has yeah a lotof room to work with and make things happen within the list itself. It justtends to focus on more defensive sthaterdiys as opposed to offensandstrategies, so ers SUREANADP might play a Pukmin catcher or you know an eldegoth or an extra mouse's ordersor whatever you might have uh. You know the car mymetal was that playan extra pokey doll or they'll play some crushing cammers or you know someof those more slow the game down like get you down tomy speed kind of guards. Yep. Absolutely so I do slightly disagree. Idon't think the ADP match up is inherently favorable Um. I think it'sprobably one of your closest matchups, actually, okay, yeah, and I mean that is I Idon't think it would be considered unfavorable, I I would say at the veryleast it's favorable from my experience yeah. I don't think it's unfavorable atall yeah. I just think it's very, very close Um, especially depending on likehow the player chooses or rout their game. Thhedy people R can actually makesome of the few matchups where the EIGTP player can actually make likemeaningful decisions, and that's it too. You know I've had aI've actually had a few of the ADP in the last. You know. Ten tournamentsthat have just like they've played a turbo version, but they've played itlike exactly like a terro version or they're just dumping all theirresources, the turn one and you knowyou could just slow down. You know justtake one turn to an Trup, assord and you're, probably in a way better spotyeah. I I think the avs that I've been most afraid of are the ones that arewilling to take some more time to tempo out and like make the game play til Ikind of play to both of our decks in a way. Yeah. I've seen ad PS, also try toUm use a second eighty ps like their nextattacker tilike they'll attack with an Egty t, Asasha and and an et P. I'veseen that and almost worked for them, not quite exteriaato. I think theyprized water, energy or something but sure they t e idea. It was actuallygood. I think it was a good idea, yeah yeahtokay, regardless, if you'reswmging, with an eight P or sashion sure. So why not give yourself thatxtraypyeah anyway, though, shifting away from that, I I wanted totalk next about Kindof, the effect that has the had on the MEDA at large. So Ithink the most obvious and immediate effect of the Chario mal metal, risingand prominence has been the subsequent rise of firedecks you'R, not upsent toscorge is probably one of the main offenders Um agreens chasart has made aslight serge ever since Danny played it at the the limitless event en really interested in greenzard Um I mean even like Basil. CEFFALON isstill kicking, you know still there. You can't forget about. Certainly- andyou know, obviously, all those dacks tic either auto win or very favorable matchup against Lucaro Ma Metals Ashan. So it makes sense, then that you'd play itn in the rise of that matter, and I think Poga players love love a counterright, like they love da out of...

...weakness and like do that damage, youknow yeah yeah. It is really thrilling to to go in with Babeble saflonor liketo get a big censence scorch built up and just be doing. You know three fourhundred damage ittern, it's it's pretty fun, yeah and, and you know, toward aswell kind of really advocating Percento scorge with the magnetine, so got a lotof angles here, a lot of things coming into play with fire and people areabout that people really like welder yeah and it sit's pretty it's prettycurious. Now that I mean, were, I, don't think we'll ever reach a stagewhere water becomes the best play or or becomes a viable play like t it seemsome Um. You know some success in terms oftournaments. There was a limitless tournament where there was a frosmothlaprus that got top eight but Um. You know, I don't think we're going toreach a stage just because of how good ADP is and how good Lecario, malmetaland atternitis are like. I don't think we'll ever reach a stage where it goesthat, like next step into okay, um fire is good. Sonow water will be good. Idon't think we'rewe're going to reach that M, but why do you think maybe wh? We can'ttake that next step in a metagame evolution to see water rise up yeah andI I do have some more thoughts on fire specifically, but I I think thewaterdecks themselves just aren't good enough really. I think if lappers hadlike twenty more health to help it like take that hit from an internitives morecleanly, it would be in a much better position as a deck as it stands rightnow, Um, you know you're, not you're, really swinging for the fences againstADP like you're. Not You don't have a reliable strategy. There, besite justdoing your normal thing. An OING AP doesn't do their thing better than youy. Ah, the Caro Metal, I think, like the waterdex Lik oprs, actually maybe have a chance if they're able to load up tosome insanely ridiculous, laprus and sweet. But that's just like not aconsistent strategy. You know you don't even have a trap and sword to likebuild up massive hands to perform. That, which is one of the major benefits ofastion in general, is that you can kep if your Pan's not doing anything, youcan just build up aninsane a at go to town for sure Ishan, and so it's just like it's got likethese weird angles that just like, don't quite work for it. So yeah like if you play a lapro stack,you'll, probably be every centi Scorps that you play. That logically follows:You know: Minimum Energy Lapris, Voco, Centi scorts, you don't even need afrosmoot to do that. Right, like you, could deceise the first attack on theLabrzov to like get a second energy on it evolve it next to an attach a thirdand you'll, probably sweep from there sure ry to you know, I guess everything else likeEy. You have to rely on on Eny oneons Wotout, which Y that already sucks Um B,like the water attackers, aren't that phenomenal both yea, both in telion and Laprus, are threehundred and twenty hpb maxes, which is like the floor of Emac Health Um and they don't have like exceptionalattacks under them. Either um like yeah the sniping on Tella on school, butlike it comes at the cost of like not getting really clean, knockouts Yung until you get like a lot of counters onthe board like work yeah, certainly, and then on the Lapo side of thingslike yeah, you have uncat damage, but you're, really relying getting a lot ofenergy in play to do that kind of damage outside of the fire match up soit' s, just there's just so much going on with these water dackts they're morecomplicated than the other daxters yeah moving parts to them. Yeah, certainly,and that's again, not to say like no one can do well with him 'cause. I Iknow people that have done well with Um intalion in the players cup M, but likeyou're, saying it kind of struggles with that low health m, it struggles alittle bit with getting the clean, knockouts Um and it really runs into awallet from my experience just into...

Aternitis, which has been a very likeAswheri, think the health matters the most RIAs like yesk could actuallyreach that right. Exactly exactly so. Um Yeah just interesting thoughts there.So we want TA circle back to fire. Sorry to get off on that Tangon! No, Isettle oin fire. You had a few Y had a few thoughts about about firedex inthis wormint. Well, I mean, I think I mean in general. I think firedexs areokay. There, not Texa E gravitate towards 'cause. I really don't likewater right now. Um, it's clearly still a powerful supporter, but it you just have such a strong idea of,like Wadowilderdeck, is capable of in the fact they like they can't welderanboss you in the same turn, which is to me, is a really big deal so like. If they don't have somethingpowered up immediately, then you know that whatever's on your bench is safefor the most part. On that turn and UH, you know they're more gimmicky in thefact they require multiple pieces in hand to perform their Combo of thefullest extent and in a format where you play Marni and stuff. It's a lot harder to ask that it's alot easier to ask for you know a sequence of cars over a course of aturn than it is to ask for meltable cards at once on demand Yeh. You knowif you get marnide, but you need like a two car Cambo like aner ane switch anda patch that's simpler to achieve, because if you, if you research and draw a patch andthen you DDENA and draw a Uh Wen energy switch or whatever you'vegot that Cabo and it over the course of like multiple efforts to draw. Whereasyou know you get your draw and you get like a dzenna or a Robat and you getyour Walter, which that just feels unfortunate tome o like to get around that thegreensdecks are all playing surge but yeah and like the break, Starte Dack,you know obviously searches out cart's like it equipped these large combos.But then it's just like. Oh you know your brakstard got reset day afterMarnid after you got the search off and and now actually every single card thatyou wanted is ot the bottom of your deck right right so well, and that'sactually the Meta to actually grab three bad cards, put them on the bottomof the deck. So that way, the rest of your deck is better on eachy. THAT'SINSANE! So Yeah! It's just like they're, fine,they're, good tx, it's just it's not something. I would gravitate towards'cause. I think the Walterdex ar really pigeon hold and how they play the game. I think th the flexibility that these,especially these auchian decks, just have a lot of flexibility with how theyplay games to game and I think it serves their benefit. Obviously 'causetheyre best ex RSURE. So let's talk a little bit about our individual players.Cup Runs Riley, you've done five tournaments. I've done twenty fivetournaments. Let's just KINDOF go over how we've been doing how we feel abouteverything. That's happened, an and kind of what we've seen during thecourse of the tournaments everything thats happened, makes it sound likethere is some massive crashitye or something nhow. Do we feel abouteverything? That's happened. Does that not sound like Traum I'd like topropose a moment of silence or the Players Cup, two entrants that arehovering in the sixty point realm, so that that does remind me, though, sofirst things. First, we made a mistake with our mathhonestly. We don't have like a great effatiop for how we got such bad math.It was just a grievous eror on our part in terms of calculations Um. So I would like to issue a redaction. The average distribution ofpoints in aplayers. Scoup is actually one point two five. So the overall average points, assumingyou have a fifty fifty chance of wunning around which again its kind ofa faulty assumption outright Um for a...

...multitue of reasons Um. But under thatassumption you would get sixty two point. Five points for playing in theplayerscot, so just one to Clae theair that befor anything a being sad divinginto my particular run. So I played five so far I Waskini'm trying to likewait it out and get into like that midpoint. So like starting like this innext week. I think it's on awfully the most Um and I played only the car ove, my metalso far and it's gone pretty well. I Have Sixteen points so two finals andtwo winds. So far. U and then on's really good one loss andfirst round so it's been good Um. You know. Obviously it's a small samplesize. I've just played a very, very straightforward, the Caron, my metallist, no fancy tricks, just like maxout counsel, pretty much everything andI've really enjoyed it. It's very similar to the list that Andrew playedat the Voga Bo line series last weekjust playing high counts of thestuff that matters and hitting that stone and haven't really hit anyfiredacks. Actually, almost every single round of all of these events,I've played either alternative or ADP played thirteen rounds Opokamon so far,and nine of them have been against turns or AD P W. The other four weretwo mutus one water, one fire um a your seen, a Gar shop in the finals,one which was kind of interesting Qen. I almost raged quit that game becausemy poe was drawing like crazy and and then he he ended my guy after taking insane knockoutl. He hegot this like insanely ridiculous play where he like gusted, my Luke metal,before it attacked and alike, hit, doubles, Zigzagoon and alsoColamedo, slash on turn two yeah and and then he g g ended and then I likemarnied him and he got everything he needed to G G and my Zashan and for some reason I thoughtthat took prizes, and so I was like. Oh, I just lose so I just I closed the gameout a then I opened it. He back up, and I put me back in the turm and like Oh,I didn't lose Yat and then I want that case. That's so happening. It was pretty sick, not going to lie.Som Ha little tace fit and then one that's Hilarious, but it is good toknow, though I learned something from that. I learn E. don't rage while Ilearned T, gg n doesn't take prizes and I I always I don't know. I know thatobviously but like whenever you see it happen, you're, like P, I just knockeddown my Guy Ywat yeah you're, moving everything to the disheartpile. Theonly time you do that, for the most part, is what hes we o so so ike. Ilearned that, and I also learned like if you happend, a DC from a players gotmomentarily and get locked out. You actually can like get back into it ifyou haven't timed out yet so thatwas pretty cool, and I did have thathappened later at the night. Like I had a brief Lapsin airconnection D I had torelog in and uh I was still in it, which was kindof cool. It's Great Bso.I play TVTS ONE GN and h. What was the other D opeekerom was thefourth of the Noatturnin teex yeah. So I what I'll say is in my experence,the MED. It has been very centralized. I think thete's been a lot of people'sexperience as well, especially with ADP, Um and Luke metalas kind of served wellinto that Meada. If I honestly, if I even sniff like two fire tacks, I'll,probably Swissh Tex, I be my second firedack I'll. Trysomething else for a little bit. Yeah Yeah for sure I mean I'e. I've seen afair amount of a fire DAX and Um. You know again I've I've tri to play in myLicario Mil metal, a you know, twotwo line of Brown song,but if people are going to play...

...cramrate and therer sent a scorch whichhas been the case, probably am just going to drop it from here on out wassomething that I was trying an and it beat one fire deck that I played oncesent the Scorch, and then I lost to another one. So it's been, you know forfour slots and a deck I'd, probably rather at this point, go forward with something that willhelp more matchups, but it was a fun little experiment, soI'm sitting at about. I believe, I'm at thirty four points out of twenty fivetournaments and that's like certainly not where I want to be, but it's a lot better than where I was. I was atsomething ridiculous before like today, where it was like seventeen points onfifteen tournaments or something like that and like it's, not a marketimprovement, but I'm trending up, and so I was I not right. Yeah Yeah Yeahand you know- and I mean at the end of the day like two hundred and fifty ortwo hundred and what fifty six people will make it and then some people won't like that's just thenature of like having a car. So you know I feel Li E. I I feel like. I have tosay that, though, because Um you know there are, there are people that aregetting very, very upset with their performance, and you know I I was inthat camp to an extent just like feeling very unlucky, yor feeling likeUm, you know I couldn't catch a break and- and I think there you know-There's certainly some element of truth in that, but also you know it's justthat's how it goes Um. I just want to say that it's not the end of the world. You know if you go through these fiftykeys and find yourself on the outside. Looking in it's not the end of theworld, there'll be more chances. Hopefully attemtly imply t there'll, beanother player's CUV, so at the vary just just again. Um I've talked abouton the cast and on different. You know, twitch streams and utwo videos like howto be successful over the course of a tournament, and then you look back atyour performance whether or not you did well like whether or not you won or even if you lost like. If you, ifyou play to your strength, you play doingeverything that you can to win. I don't think you can be upset if you lose andso just keeping that level headedness, Ithink, has been really helpful and also being able to take a break. I foundmyself recently playing a tournament and then losing and then being kind oftilted, but like wanting to run it back immediately after and then I just hadto like take a step back and say: Hey, you know, maybe tonight isn't the bestnight to play another one like yeah. I think for me. I get caught in this m.You know trying to like prove myself like one more just one more just onemore. You know. I know this can work. I know this can work when maybe I couldjust take a step back we're still. You know a couple of weeks from the end ofthis thing and and retry again, some other time yeah and UH. I at'sedsomething I was actually going to say as well, is, if you're, if you're, notinto it, like don't force yourself to play at that moment in time, right liketilt, is a real thing and it like actively will embar amply, even if youdon't realize it like while you're in the moment and it's hard to senl me ifyou don't like save your vahads or like record you'R gatne play to be able tolook back 'cause. You WoN'tyou, won't notice the mistake so en, if you'retaking like written notes, you know you're not going to write down themistakes that you made in those instances, dn I'll say if you're not into it, justtake a break like it's going to serve to your benefit. Don't let yourselffall into the cycle at till 'cause. What's going to happen is let's say you made it to let's Sa LostRoun one in a tournament and it's a really unfortunate loss and, like yougenuinely got very unlucky, and it happens, you know sometimes youwill draw to Dedena and seven energy and that's it and like Itwould, getdonked on turned to by his aution and we've all been there bu...

...if you are very upset after that and YKno you're feming about your luck, Dek ant, like an ongoing thing, don't clickthat event. Button aget like just take a breather mayme take even if it's justlike fifteen minutes to an hour and just don't play for a little bit likestep back like ree center yourself 'cause. If youclicke that of vent button again, what's GOINGTO happen is you're alreadytilted you'll make some minor mistake. You won't realize it at the time you'llend up losing the game. You'll attribute it to further luck. T more ofset continue to make worse and more s mistakes, while not seeing them,because you're just upset and think that everything at this point is nowyou continually being unlucky and it's just a cycle. It's it's a horriblecycsycl. I myself AV Allin into before yeah a like real life events, so yeah, so you know, should take advantage of thefact that we have an online to tournament where you can step back fora little bit, Shill h, exactly and and then I I think too, like if you'refinding that you are not being as successful as you want to be. You knowcertainly like first of all give your deck the time you know we talk aboutthis, a lot on the last Cask, but give the deck the time that it needs to kindof show the results and that if you are finding that you're not succeedingafter you know ten or fifteen tournaments, you know, maybe then it'stime to switch deck. Certainly that's what I did. I was on Luke metal for,like the first five and then I switched to AIDP because it seemed like allthese people were. You know, saying: okay, I used all my tickets and I goteighty P and I got a hundred points and it just seemed like so easy. So I wasplaying ATP and then I lost you know in the first round. I don't know probablyeight out of the next ten tournaments that I played and I'm like. Well, Iguess you know I should probably switch back and then have btem playinglicariomel metal and just have been having a much greater return per keywith that deck, and so just being able to again, like you said, take a step back,breathe, see that what you're doing maybe isn't working and and eitherswitchdecks trag in a different day or you know, do both. You know Tryi tofind some strategy to kind o get back into the zone. I'll also say be reallythoughtful about. You know what mistakes you might be making like evenin games that were unlucky, there's probably a point somewhere where youcould have helped to make things more in your favor and you didn't, or youmade a mistake and that's fine like we all make those da the best players inthe world, make mistakes all the time Um but be thoughtful about those likedon't attribute things to lock when you could have done more. Um is ultimatelylike the kind of minds that you need to have and if, if you're not able to like keeptrack of that as well in, like just record your games, it's much easier tohavl you in hindsight, like, Oh, you know I I bench this pokeeon an I cus,ey shouldn't have, or I didn't tedn this poke Mon. In my hand, I got mywild yeah. You know it might seem like it's luck in the moment, but there's alot of things that happen to make the luck work right, like certainly, certainly so what all thasaid. What do you think the point cut off will be? This has been atopic of conversation in my streams amongst the people in in my community from you know, we have another weeksworth of data. What do you think the cut off will be for the playerscuptoo yeah? It's tough because like and we're kindo talking about this beforethe Stream? It's tough, because the people who are posting about theirresults are the ones whou are like happy about it. Usually, so you knowyou'll see the people who got a hundred plus points and are are feeling goodabout themselves and they'll post their Dacka like what they were doing. You won't see the people who finishdwith like sixty two point, five points and this woren't having a great timethat all being said, I I think the cut off is going to be somewhere aroundeighty. I see a lot of people try and do like mathematical models around itand I don't think that's like wholly appropriate a because I think theassumptions that you have to make about...

...like what is an average result orinherently flawed mb like it's really hard to distributethis on, like a normal distribution. ECAUSE, we don't really know how manypeople are attempting to do this yeah. We can only get like a vague idea, so I I think somewhere in the eighty rangeit might be lower, it might be higher. I it's really awthat's, that's trueRiley it might be lower or or maybe aray is a hundred and fiftymlike. Maybe all the relates riven, talentedpeople are playing later and they just haven't done I yet Y Eah. You know wedon't have like a great estimante, for I think I think somewhere like seventyeighty. Ninety like somewhere in that ball park, I think seventyt. Eighty isprobably the safer gas yea, but I mean I would feel very confidentif I was ninety plus. If I was over ninety points, I would feel pretty surethat I was going to make it soi rather than think about the cut off. I wouldsay where I feel comfortable and I'd feel comfortable if I was over n ninetypoints, yeah yeah and true, like you, look back at a ninety point:Performance Um, knowing that each tournament would return an expectedvalue, f about a point and a quarter and you would say yeah. You know ninetypoints. I I pretty much shattered that expectation, an what it what I shouldhave performed that, and so you know, if that's your barometer for successand ninety you get. You know, Ninety plus and you you know, end up notmaking the top two. Fifty six, like, I think, you'd just say: Okay! Well, youknow I I really put in all. If you make ninety and don't get it, I like Iapologize for a setting that expectation but NB 'cause. I think youhave personally done very well if you've got IDs, so I think you deservesomething for that. You'll get a pat on the back fromTagtean yeah for sure. Do you have any like descentic thoughts about it? Ithink it's just so hard to like model that out. It really is. I mean we. Wehave more information, so Um, you ow, the more that we get like I, I presumeUm, the the cast. You know two weeks from now right, which will be the lastcast before the the end of the players. Cop Yeah we'll have the mostinformation that you would presume that a majority of the people will havefinished and we'll get to know pretty well. What is what the cut off is? Youknow a little bit more obviously, with more data points, we'll know a littlebit better, so m seemin. I would have to guess ye somewhere in that seventyto eighty point range seems correct. Like you said, a lot of people havebeen posting that they're. You know if the ' e, ifthey're posting the R point, totals they're very happy about them andthey're very proud of them, so you're going to see that so, if you're, seeingthat on ou know facebook or or twitter and you're seeing these people, like-Oh yeah, you know played ADP Z and got a hundred points. Um just take that with a grain of Sault,because there's that person that played ADP Z and got fifty points and fiftykeys, you know I mean there- just is ha person out there, so um just be carefulby judging yourself by what others are posting on social media just becausethat is you know, that is for everything, but also winpoke, my cards.That is a place where people want to you know kind of inflate themselves andand for a good reason. I think a lot of the cases but um nobody's trying to bemalicious, but in any case you're going to see this kind of very unpolished players cup performance. If people wanta showcase that for sure I don't play too much of your value on, I dont, likeyou play cors just the other event, it the other day, exactly so, let's jump into our nextsegment, which is our car o the week so tw you got something special for ustoday. Well, we have gone with very nostalgic cards in the past. We've gonewith some cards that...

...mean something personally to us and Ihave opted to go for a card that I just think the artwork is very hilarious. It is a fighting pokamine. Okay, it isa basic pokamot. Okay, it is a FIFTYHP pogamon from thecrystal Guardian's expansion Oka, and it's looks like I won't even say what it looks like,but I'll just say the name at this point owell. Actually, let me read the yeah read the Deck Entry, the DeckSentry and see. If you can get this one yehll retty Fiv o get ig love guessingFok amone from deck entries yeah. Let me let me just go ahead and get that up.Okay, so where are we? Okay? Its skin is verythin. If it is exposed to light, it's blood heats up, causing it to grow.Weak wh. Is I what is it a diglet brow? It is.How did you know? 'cause E diges are moles, so they're always undergroundright. I didn't you know what I never reallythought about Diglett having skin. That's interesting, Oay Lldid, you didyou reallthink about. Is this the DIGL? That's on the wave, yes is the digli ookay, so this is on. Let me describe the card for those you that arelistening. This is from e x, Crystal Guardians, its car number, forty two N N, fifty out of a hundredin the English expansion in forty two out of seventy five in he eng in theJapanese expansion and it's the side of a cliff and there's a diglit andthere's an ocean with a giant wave coming, and this Digola is looking atthe wave and it's got like a sweat. A sweat running down its red card is sogood. It's like simple and and beautiful andlike the art, like really isn't anything particularly special. It haskindof this angular design to it, but it just its so funny like this is aperfect example of a Pokamon car telling a story. One of the things thatreally draws me to card art is that if I can see the store being told in thecard like it's one image, but I can already like feel how that diglit mustbe feelingit's like mortal enemy come crashing at it. It's just so funny.There's are another card too, that like has like a sequel or freekcold. Thatcard is like related in some way. avially. Well, we'll have to give that challengeout to our listeners to find that 'cause. I can't tink of it it a there's,a car that, like has that way it the DI. Like the background or something I forget what it is, though it came out like later too, like asignificantly later, I'm pretty sure, okay, so they t they were kind of likeOh Calin, Gein, hamage, yeah kind of like how s I don't know if you knewthis, but like some of the Um, I I forget what it was. It was like thethe behevent Alahem that were usn like the ITEMACDAC orwhatever m. They had art. That was in reference to cards from like the NEOera. They were on like the same buildings. You know how like the newYoar, there was a asper yeah. It was a reference of the Abra on the I think itwas on the LEM. The small one M was on the same, like spire as the Avra.It was kindof like so dig, I think, had a similar carer is like in reference tothat. Okay, well, good! Well, we'll have to um research that yeah don't getback next week. Don't quote me on that,...

...but I I swear I mean, certainly to methis is very iconic and anyone that's on the on the Patrion knows that I havethis as the banner there. I just think it's so funny. It's like suctionemotional card. It is just like a the funny way that Pokmon is right, likePokman die and like Cokemon ar creepy and like Pokmon, get hurt and all thisstuff. But it's like a cartoon. So, like this diglet, you know water.Presumably it's it's week to grass on the card, but like water is also aweakness of digaled and just like staring down the thing that could kill you and justlikebe like being so sweaty about it. You KN W. I it's just it's so funny itit's such a good curd. Also thanks for Sharin Tha State Yo, I loved. I lovethat card. I I great card it's one of my favorite hearts. I think ever like you said it tells it tells a greatstory. You know how that deglits, the emotional state that diglesin yeah yeahexactly- and I feel like that- sometimes too, we all do so. I think we've reached a point inthe cast and we can open it up to chat for a question. So anyone has anythoughts that they want us to to touch on on the players, cop or cards that you like or Bomon in generalyou'll, free to rop those in the chat see a couple from my friend Thomasasking about Mega Bugrel and Yanmega and Megagardos, all of which arecurrently nonexistent or very bad. So, okay, okay! Well, it's good to know.I'm glad we have that in H, Inecann hodcast form yeah Um Ralei. Doyou think you'll stay with your Lucario Melmeteldec through the duration of theplayerscup? No once they hit two firedecks and are all out ro, I I mean I know you said that, but Ithought it no ATTHLI KNOT CA! I'm out once I hit the second one in a row, I'mgone like catch me not playing with Caro me. littll ever again, what wouldyou play? I don't know hoi figure out when e get there honestly I'll, just say n that parkingbout, he destroys the Firefax sure it actually does yeah. No, I I actually lost to a mad party with LucarioMelmadelit was bad dude, that's so sick! I love that Tatgrat. It was it. It hurt,but I was like you know, pehops to you for bringing mad party Um one deck,that I've been really h, seeing and and kind of enjoying. We touched on alittle bit from the playerscup as the poison atternitis yeah, and I find that normal alternatives has avery bad match up in the Lecarom, not t not to shift all perspective throughthe through Lecario mail medal, but just to say that poison atternitis is avery viable way to play. ATTERNITISES UM and one that I've lost to a coupleof times with with Lucario Momento having that answer to Zamazensa in theform of poison is very strong and w not being able to reach those high numbersfor Um Yo on to other V. Maxes is also a perk aplaying, the poison, build. No,I I definitely agree. I I like the poison itternitive, actually duston'sierman on undaunted, just tweated earlier today, he's been doing it very,very well with Um the poison varian that eterative definitely don't writethat off Yep. Obviously, it's got a little less consistency, 'cause,there's just more going on, but a very good dack for sure yeah. Absolutely how about you are you planning onsticking it out with look metal for the rest of their way? Just it feels great m to play a deckthat I can I'll play my opponents, I mean againI've I've felt that the most clearly in the mirror match where certainly I'veplayed a couple of Mero matches where I...

...just you know, kind of lost justbecause the opponent drew better, but there have been a couple of games thatI look back on in that mirror, where I've been able to kind of overcome aslower start or overcome just a very unlucky break and and take the match.So I look at those as being as being matchups that I look forwardto just in terms of trying to outstrategize and that's something thatI've missed for a while here in in this format. Just with the speed of ADP mjust the power of Eternitists, I really enjoy that kind of back and forth gameplay over multiple turns yeah. I totally agree being able to Aten thegame out and feel like your choices matter, yeah very satisfying. Absolutely so don't snipe me and playfired acxs, please Lev Mel defnitely here to stay Um. So Iguess then, is wor. Players is your time to shine right there you go yeahif you're a send a scorch lover out there. You hurt it here. I mean youprobably didn't need to know if you were send a scorch lover, you're likedeep you're in right. I don't think anyone's like I think I'll play CENTAscorch today. No, they don't feel like you're either yeah you loveCENTAESCORCS, right, you're, just Ol Onseso, it's so true! Yeah go for itnobody's. Nobody has a middle ground on SATASCARS TSO! True! Well! Thank you all. So much for yourcontinued support and listening. Thank you to Linkas back eighty eight for theRa during the stream today and the Bolbagang forjoining us. We appreciateall your continued support. If you're listening on a pocassing platform besure to rae in review, it helps us get discovered easier. So we can delivermore content to you guys and we will catch you in the next episode. PeaceSee Hem.

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