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Season 3, Episode 6 · 1 year ago

3-6. The Melmetal Curtain

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are loving Lucario Melmetal Zacian, come hear about the Player's Cup is going and how the meta is developing in a LMM world.

Yo, what's up everybody? Welcomeback to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. Myname is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend JWcrew. All, JW, how's it going today? Hey, it's goingpretty well, Riley. How are you? Man, I'm not gonna lie,I'm stressed, but I'm thriving to you know, like, yeah,you were just saying how how you were playing with your hair because you're sostressed. I don't know if I'm so stressed what. I am stressed,and when I do that I twirl my finger like around the end of myhair because it has like a little bit of a curl to it. Solike I twist around the curl, but then it makes my whole hair verychaotic. So just a mess. But you know, things are going wellon the whole. I can't complain. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, Iwhen I get stressed I eat a lot of chewing gum. So I haveyeah, this was like a week ago. It's already gone. My Spear Mintextra. Yeah. Well, I was telling you about another one that'shalfway through. I was telling you last week about the icebreakers and how thoseare like deadly for me. Yeah, yeah, so I'm out of icebreakers. I didn't I didn't buy a new ones when I went to the store. Do you do the mint ones or do you get the Ya? Iget the graber one, the green one, like Green Apple. No, it'sit's like the spear men versus like m whatever else meant. See,I like the flavored ones, like the fruity ice breakers are. So soundsall good. I like Maur the whole Po. I like mint because it'slike cold, you know, it's a cold sensation when you bite into it, and I like that. I really like bubble gum flavor, but Inever buy the bubble gum flavor chewing gum because then I would just like thespear mint is like something that I'll eat and I'll just have like one piecelike periodically, but then the bubble gum I would just like probably just eatlike multiple pieces at a time just I don't know, I like it toomuch. Yeah, well, that's just candy at that point. Right.All right, that's all I'm saying. So yeah, cool. Any excitingdevelopments in the last week in the world? JW. I wish I could saythat there was. I'm going to be going this upcoming week. I'mleaving tomorrow for for a high school friends wedding, so in the wedding partyfor that. And so I'm going to be leaving tomorrow and going there and, yeah, and then quarantining afterwards. I'm going to try to get atrying to get a covid test after the wedding. But it should be verysmall, you know, very I mean as safe as you can have it, you know, with inviting people. So I didn't. You know,I'm going to take a risk. Right, it is a risk, but atthe same time that's also like a wedding of a really good friend andI trust, I trust everyone that's going there to be safe. You know, it's not like a friend, it's a friend that's that's you know,would would be conscious and and their family would be conscious of COVID. Soyeah, I'm feeling as safe as I can be in that kind of socialsetting. Sure. Yeah, Nice, Nice. So, yeah, enjoyyour expedition. Yeah, it'll be fun, I mean, because this is reallyis the first time that I've seen people, yeah, you know,in close proximity since March. Yeah, I feel like I haven't seen ahuman being and forever man. Yeah, yeah, I mean we would dothings like with with the church group and go out, you know, tolike a park or something, but we just haven't stayed anywhere with anyone insideand six months. Yeah, that's kind of where we are right now.Where we are, YEP, definitely a wild scenario truth. So let's jumpright in then. Let's let's talk poke Players Cup rages on. A coupleweeks left to finish out that qualification and we've seen some some shifts and howthings are going, if you ask me at least. Yeah, I thinkprimarily the the main benefactor of which has been the Carlo Melt metal kind ofwent from nobody really playing it and then...

I got a couple nice performances,including Andrews Finish at the full grip online series last week, and since thenI think it's been truly very popular. It's been making a lot of ways. A lot of people are playing it in top players are playing it atthese Players Cup tournaments. So you know, I have my own thoughts. I'vealways enjoyed the car on that metal. GW You have any inside as towhy it's been on such a rise yeah, well, I've actually beenplaying it a lot for my players cup run, and we can talk aboutjust our individual performances here in a second. But it's a deck that gives youmore than one turn. Gives you more than, you know, twoor three turns, like the the ATP right can you know almost immediately.You know from the first couple of turns, like whether or not you win orlose. But with Lacario Mel metal you have a little bit of wiggleroom to I'll play your opponent. I've actually found some of the most interestingmatchups in this format to be a locario Mel Metal Mirror. And I sayinteresting, you know, relatively speaking, but it's certainly the most thinking thatI've had to do in this format in terms of, you know, whatdo I attack with when and when do I play certain cards as opposed toholding on to certain cards, and, you know, when do I setup a backup attacker or not, and just all these little things that Ithink about in that matchup. I've really been enjoying myself with that. Ithink again, the deck gives players the most room to I'll play their opponents, and I think that's why we're seeing people jump onto it as a viableoption. Yeah, no doubt. It's been a favorite of mine in myplayers Cup events so far as well, and for a lot of the samereasons that you said. You get multiple turns. It slows down the tempoof the game. It's some of the only decks where I will choose tointrepid stored and that's like my choice. You know, I'll have like theability to attack and I'm like, well, actually, I want to intrepid swordthis turn and like do something next turn. That's like what much morefabulous than this? Yeah, sure, you know. And you get tohigh behind the dolls and you have this like tanking factor, a really goodturn it this match off with the Zambas enters and just using the ones oshin to pick off major threats. It's it's really very fun. And youknow, you have a week matchup into fire dexs will talk about fire decks, but the fact that you get to take these games out and make morestrategic play, I think is made it really a big draw for a lotof these decks. Yeah, and you look at the favorable matchups for LucarioMel metal and you have a favorable matchup into straight at turn it is.You have a very, I would say, unfavorable matchup into poison at turn itis, depending on how like this the skill level of the player.But then you also take a very favorable, I maybe not very favorable, buta favorable matchup for my experience, into ATP. So that's another reason. You know, when we're seeing these Players Cup tournaments, especially early on, a lot of people were just running ATP. I think I've seen lessand less ATP as the tournaments have gone on. I don't quite know whythat would be, but I certainly have noticed a dip as opposed to likethe first I've played twenty five now. The first twelve, I would say, I hit ATPE at least one time a tournament and then these last,you know, twelve. I've pretty much seen it sporadically, but you lookat those two being kind of the the big bullies of the format. Andthen you also have ways to get around fire in the form of the bronzesong. It's not a perfect answer by any means, particularly if sent toScorch, which is the biggest fire deck right now. Particularly if sent toscorch plays a crammer ant. They're very easily able to deal with, youknow, at the very least one bronze song. It's really hard to getto bronze on up in that matchup, but with the cramerant they're able todo that. And so sent to Scorch isn't quite the you know, easiestmatchup, even if you do include something...

...like a bronze on but it isa deck that you can try to tech for. Yeah, yeah, it'sit's definitely a solid all around deck. I mean the fire matchup is whatit is. Right. Like the fire decks, as long as they havea Cramar ant, will definitely meet you pretty much. and honestly, likeI don't even bother with the bronze online very often. Yeah, it's itjust feels like a waste of space ninety percent of the time. Yeah,well, sure it is, but I think that the deck also has thatroom. You know, you're done. It definitely does like it's the mostfulkind of exaption. So you have, yeah, I would say you havesomewhere between four and six slots that you can just kind of fool around with, you know, and kind of tailor the deck to your to your liking, and so I like that as well. About the list is that you justhave that option agreed for sure. It's a very flexible deck. It'shonestly, you know, it's similar to ATP in the fact that it has, yeah, a lot of room to work with and make things happen withinthe list itself. It's just tends to focus on more defensive strategies as opposedto offensive strategies. So we're sure ATP might play a Pokemon Catcher or,you know, an elder goth or an extra moss's orders or whatever you mighthave. You know, the car I'm about was that play an extra pokeydoll, or they'll play some crushing cameras or, you know, some ofthose more slow the game down, like get you down to my speed kindof cards. Yep, absolutely. So I do slightly disagree. I don'tthink the ATP matchup is inherently favorable. I think it's probably one of yourclosest matchups actually. Okay, yeah, and I mean that is I don'tthink it would be considered unfavorable. I would say at the very least it'sfavorable from my experience. Yeah, I don't think it's unfavorable at all.Yeah, I just think it's very, very close, especially depending on likehow the ATP player chooses to about their game. They suld AYTP player canactually make. It's one of the few matchups for the ATP player can actuallymake like meaningful decisions. And that's it too. You know, I've hada I've actually had a few of the ATP in the last you know,ten tournaments that have just like they played a turbo version, but they've playedit like exactly like a turbo version, or they're just dumping all the resourcesin turn one and it's I don't think you know, you could, youcould just slow down, you know, just take one turned to intrepid swordand you're probably in a way better spot. Yeah, I think the ATPS thatI've been most afraid of are the ones that are willing to take somemore time to tempo out and like make the game play to like kind ofplay to both of our decks in a way. Yeah, I've seen ATPSalso try to use a second ATP is like their next attacker. So likethey'll attack with an ATP as Oshtion and an ATP. I've seen that andalmost work for them. Not Quite extranata. I think they prized and a waterenergy or something, but sure they have. The idea was actually good. I think it was a good idea. Yeah, yeah, to Ako,regardless of your swinging with an ATP or SASHINS. Sure, so,why not give yourself that extra HP? Yeah, anyway, though, shiftingaway from that, I want to talk next about kind of the effect thathas had on the Meta at large. So I think the most obvious andimmediate effect of the Quario Mel metal rising and prominence has been the subsequent riseof fire decks. You brought up. Sent to Scorch is probably one ofthe main offenders. Greens charzard has made a slight surge ever since Danny playedit at the limitless event. If you been really interested in green ard,I mean even like Babyl Cephalon, is still kicking, you know, stillthere. You can't forget about it, certainly, and you know obviously allthose decks take a either auto win or very favorable matchup against the car memetals ash had. So it makes sense then, that you'd play it inthe rise of that Meta, and I think POCO players love it. Lovea counter right, like they love to hit her weakness and like do thatdamage. You know say, yeah,...

...it is really thrilling to to goin with baby blue cephalon or like to get a big sense of scorch builtup and just be doing you know, three, four under damage a turn. It's it's pretty fun. Yeah, and you a tour it as well, kind of really advocating for sent to scorch with the Magneton. So gota lot of angles here, a lot of things coming into play with fireand people are about that. People really like welder. Yeah, and itshows. So it's pretty it's pretty curious now that. I mean we're Idon't think we'll ever reach a stage where water becomes the best play or becomesa viable play, like it's seemed some, you know, some success in termsof tournaments. There was a limitless tournament where there was a frost mothlapperus that got top eight. But you know, I don't think we're goingto reach a stage just because of how good ATP is and how good LucarioMel metal and a turn its are like. I don't think we'll ever reach astage where it goes that like next step into okay, fire is good, so now water will be good. I don't think we're we're going toreach that. But why do you think? Maybe what we can't take that nextstep in a metagame evolution to see water rise up? Yeah, andI do a some more thoughts on fire specifically. But yeah, I thinkthe water decks themselves just aren't good enough. Really. I think if lappers hadlike twenty more health to help it like take that hit from an internis more cleanly, it would be in a much better position as a deckas it stands right now. You know, you're not. You're really swinging forthe fences against ATP like you're not, you know, a reliable strategy therebesides just doing your normal thing and hoping ATP doesn't do their thing betterthan you. Yeah, yeah, the car metal, I think, likethe water decks, like lappers, actually maybe have a chance if they're ableto load up just some insanely ridiculous lappers and sweet, but that's just likenot a consistent strategy. You know, you don't even have intrepid sword tolike build up massive hands to perform that. which is one of the major benefitsof option in general is that you can yep, if your pumps notdoing anything, you can just build up an insane and and go to town, for sure. For sure, and that. So it's just like it'sgot like these weird angles that just like don't quite work for it. So, yeah, like if you play a lappers deck, you'll probably be everysandy scorps that you play at. That logically follows. You know, minimumenergy lappers will Ko Sandi scort. You don't even need a frost smoth todo that right, like you could just use the first attack on the lappersV to like get a second energy on it, evolve it next turn,attached a third and you'll probably sweep from there. Yeah, sure, buta, you know, I guess everything else like a you have to relyon any frost moth out, which, yeah, that already sucks. Belike the water attackers. Aren't that phenomenal? Both? Yeah, both in Tellyonand laperous are three hundred twenty HPV Max has, which is like thefloor of emacs health. And they don't have like exceptional attacks under them either. Like, yeah, the sniping on a telly on school, but likeit comes at the cost of like not getting really clean knockouts. Yeah,until you get like a lot of counters on the boards like work. Yeah, certainly. And then on the lapper side of things, like, yeah, you have on cat damage, but you're really rely on getting a lotof energy and play to do that kind of damage outside of the fire matchups. So it's just like there's just so much going on with these water decks. Are More complicated than the other decks. There's were, yeah, moving partsto them. Yeah, certainly. And that's again not to say likeno one can do well with him, because I know people that have donewell with Cantellian in the Players Cup, but, like you're saying, itkind of struggles without a low health, it struggles a little bit with gettingthe clean knockouts and it really runs into...

...a wallet, from my experience,just into a turnitis, which has been a very like us. I thinkthe health matters the most. Right. It's like, yes, could actuallyreach that. So right, exactly, exactly. So, yeah, justinteresting thoughts. Are we want to circle back to fire. Sorry to getoff on that tangent. No circles back the fire. You had a fewyou had a few thoughts about about fire decks in this format. Well,I mean I think, I mean in general, I think fired XS areokay. They're not decks that I gravitate towards because I really don't like welderright now. It's clearly still a powerful supporter, but it you just havesuch a strong idea of like what a welder deck is capable of. Inthe fact they like they can't welder and boss you in the same turn,which is to me is a really big deal. So, like, ifthey don't have something powered up immediately, then you know that whatever's on yourbench is safe for the most part on that turn. And you know they'remore gimmicky in the fact they require multiple pieces in hand to perform their comboto the fullest extent. And in a format where you play Marni and stuff, it's a lot harder to ask that. It's a lot easier to ask for, you know, a sequence of cards over a course of a turnthan it is to ask for multiple cards at once on demand. Yeah,you know, if you get mare neied, but you need like a two cardCombo, like you need er sweet energy switch and a patch. That'ssimpler to achieve because if you if you research and draw patch and then youdid anna and draw a s when energy switch or whatever, you've got thatCombo and it's over the course of like multiple efforts to draw, whereas youknow, you get your draw and you get like a does an a orCrowbat and you get your welder, which that just feels unfortunate to me.It's so like to get around that. The Greens decks are all playing surge. But yeah, and like the Brakestar deck. You know, obviously asearches out cards like equip these large Combos, but then it's just like, Oh, you know, your brakes are got resetstam after Marnid, after yougot the search off, and and now actually every single card that you wantedis on the bottom of your deck. Yeah, right, right. Sowell that and that's actually the Meta, is to actually grab three bad cardsput them on the bottom of the deck. Yeah, the opponent's so that waythe rest of your deck is better when you rub. Yeah, that'sinsane. So, yeah, it's just like they're fine, they're good decks. It's just it's not something I would gravitate towards because I think the waterdecks are really pigeon holed and how they play the game. I think thethe flexibility that the use out, especially these ash and decks just have alot of flexibility with how they play game to game and I think it servestheir benefit, obviously, because they're the best decks. So sure, sure, so let's talk a little bit about our individual Players Cup runs. Riley, you've done five tournaments, I've done twenty five tournaments, and let's justkind of go over how we've been doing, how we feel about everything that's happenedand kind of what we've seen during the course of the tournaments. Everythingthat's happened makes it sound like there's some massive trashty years. I think no. Yeah, how do we feel that everything that's happened? Does that notsound like traps? I'd like to propose a moment of silence for the playersCume to entrance that are hovering in the sixty point realm. So that doesn'tmind me though. So first things first, we made a mistake with our math. Honestly, we don't have like a great a fination for how wegot such bad math. It was just a grievous error on our part interms of calculations. So I would like to issue a redaction. The averagedistribution of points in a Players Cup is actually one point two five. Sothe overall average points, assuming you have a fifty chance of winning around whichagain it's kind of a faulty assumption outright...

...for a multiple of reasons. Butit's under that assumption you would get sixty two point five points for playing inthe Players Cup. So just want to do the air that before anything.That being said, diving into my particular run, so I played five sofar. was kind of I'm trying to like wait it out and get intolike that midpoint. So like starting like this in next week. I thinkthis one I'll pullay the most dumb and I played only the cargo my metalso far and it's gotte pretty well. I have sixteen points. So twofinals and two wins so far and then one that's really good, one lossin first round. So it's been good. You know, obviously it's a smallsample side. Look, I've just played a very, very straightforward thecar on my metal list. No fancy tricks, just like maxed out counsel, pretty much everything, and I've really enjoyed it. It's very similar tothe list that Andrew played at the full group online series last week. MI'm just playing high counts of the stuff that matters and hitting that stuff andhaven't really hit any fired DEX. Actually, almost every single round of all ofthese events I've played either a turn it this or ATP so I playedthirteen rounds of Pokemon so far and nine of them have been against the turnsor ATP wow. The other four where two MEWTWO's, one water, onefire, a geartine a card shop. In the finals of one, whichwas kind of interesting corn, I almost rage put that game because my punwas drawing like crazy and he and then he gg ended my guy after takinginsane knockout like he he got this like insanely ridiculous play where he like gustedmy luke metal before attacked and like hit double Zigzagoon and also calamitous on turnto. Yeah, and and then he gig ended and then I like martyedhim and he got everything he needed. The GIG end my Zashin and Ifor some reason I thought that took prizes and so it's like, Oh,I just lose, so I just like I close the game out that Iopened it back up and I put me back in the tournament like Oh,I didn't lose yet, and then I won that games that's so happy.It was pretty sick, not gonna lie. Some a little rage to it andthen one that's hilarious. But it is good to know, though.I learned something from that. I learned a don't rage quit. Well,I learned D ggn doesn't take prizes and I always I don't know, Iknow that obviously, but like it right. Whenever you see it happened, you'relike, yeah, you just knocked out my guy. Dude, whatthat? Yeah, you're moving everything to the discard pile. So the onlytime you do that, for the most part, is what he's wings lookso still like. I learned that. And I also learned, like,if you happen to DC from a players got momentarily and get logged out,you actually can like get back into it if you haven't timed out yet.So, yeah, that's pretty cool. And I did have that happened laterin the night. Like I had a brief laps in AER connection. Ihad to relog in and I was still in it, which is kind ofcool. It's great. But yeah, so I played. To me,two is one ggn, and what was the other day? Oh, peakrom was the fourth of the man ATP Attorney Sex. Yeah, so Iwhat I'll say is in my experience to Meta has been very centralized. Ithink it's been a lot of people's experience as well, especially with ATP andLuke. Metal is kind of served well into that Meta. If I honestly, if I even sniff like to fired acts, I'll probably switch took assoon as I see my second fire deck. I'll try something else for a littlebit. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I've seen afair amount of fire deckx and, you know, again I've I've tried toplay in my Lacario me metal a you know, to to line a brownsong. But if people are going to play cramerant and they're sent to Scorch, which has been the case, I...

...probably am just going to drop itfrom here on out. was something that I was trying and and it beone fire deck that I played, one sent to scorch and then I lostto another one. So it's been, you know, for four slots ina deck. I'd probably rather at this point go forward with something that willhelp more matchups, but it was a fun little experiment. So I'm sittingat about, I believe I'm at thirty four points out of twenty five tournaments, and that's like certainly not where I want to be, but it's alot better than where I was. I was at something ridiculous before, liketoday, where it was like seventeen points on fifteen tournaments or something like that, and like it's not a market improvement, but I'm trending up. And soalways get to end of right. Yeah, yeah, and you know, and I mean at the end of the day, like two hundred fiftyor two hundred and what fifty six people will make it and then some peoplewon't. Like that's just the nature of like having a car. So,you know, I feel like I didn't know. I feel like I haveto say that, though, because you know, there are there are peoplethat are getting very, very be upset with their performance and you know,I'm I was in that camp to an extent, just like feeling very unluckyor feeling like, you know, I couldn't catch a break, and Ithink they're you know, there's certainly some element of truth in that, butalso, you know, it's just that's how it goes. I just wantto say that it's not the end of the world. You know, ifyou go through these fifty keys and find yourself on the outside looking in,it's not the end of the world. Yeah, there will be more chances. Hopefully at heavily imply there'll be another player's cup. So at the veryjust just again I've talked about on the cast and on different you know,twitch streams and youtube videos, like how to be successful over the course ofa tournament and then you look back at your performance, whether or not youdid well, like whether or not you won, or even if you lost. Like if you if you play to your strengths and you play doing everythingthat you can to win, I don't think you can be upset if youlose. And so just keeping that level headedness, I think it's been reallyhelpful and also being able to take a break. I found myself recently playinga tournament and then losing and then being kind of tilted but like wanting torun it back immediately after, and then I just had to like take astep back and say, Hey, you know, maybe tonight isn't the bestnight to play another one. Like yeah, I think for me I get caughtin this, you know, trying to like prove myself like one more, just one more, just one more. You know, I know this canwork. I know this can work, when maybe I could just take astep back. We're still, you know, a couple weeks from theend of this thing and and retry again some other time. Yeah, andI ask something I was actually going to say as well, is if you'reif you're not into it, like don't force yourself to play at that momentin time right, like tilt is a real thing and like actively will invaryGameplay, even if you don't realize it, like while you're in the moment andit's hard to see if you don't like save your ods or like recordyour gameplay to be able to look back, because you won't, you won't noticethe mistake. So even if you're taking like written notes, you knowyou're not going to write down the mistakes that you made in those instances.Yeah, I'll say, if you're not into it, just take a break, like it's going to serve to your benefit. Don't let yourself fall intothe cycle of till because what's going to happen is, you know, let'ssay you made it too, let's say lost round one in a tournament andit's a really unfortunate loss and like you genuinely got very unlucky. And ithappens, you know, sometimes you will draw to Dedenna and seven energy andthat's it and like you'll get docked on turned to by his option, andwe've all been there. But if you...

...are very upset after that, andyou know you can, you're fuming about your luck. Yeah, and it'slike an ongoing thing. Don't click that event button again, like just takea breather, maybe take even if it's just like fifteen minutes to an hour, and just don't play for a little bit, like step back, likeReef Center Yourself, because if you click that event button again, that's goingto happen is you're already tilted. You'll make some minor mistake. You won'trealize it at the time. You'll end up losing the game. You'll attributeit to further luck, get more of set, continue to make worse andworse mistakes while not seeing them because you're just upset and think that everything atthis point is now you continually being unlucky and it's just a cycle. It'sa horrible cycle, cycle that I myself a phone into before. Yeah,at like real life events. So yeah, so you know take advantage of thefact that we have an online to tournament where you can step back fora little bit a chill. Yeah, exactly. And then and then Ithink to like, if you're finding that you are not being as successful asyou want to be, you know, certainly like, first of all,give your deck the time. You know, we talked about this a lot onthe last cast, but give the deck the time that it needs tokind of show the results. And then if you are finding that you're notsucceeding after, you know, ten or fifteen tournaments, you know, maybethen it's time to switch decks. Certainly that's what I did. I wason Luke metal for like the first five and then I switched to ATP becauseit seemed like all these people were, you know, saying, okay,I use all my tickets and I got ATP and I got a hundred pointsand it just seemed like so easy. So I was playing ATP and thenI lost, you know, in the first round, I don't know,probably eight out of the next ten tournaments that I played and I'm like,well, I guess, you know, I should probably switch back. Andthen I have playing Lucario Mel metal and just have been having a much greaterreturn per key with that deck, and so just being able to again,like I said, take a step back, breathe, see that what you're doingmaybe isn't working and and either switch decks, try again a different dayor, you know, do both. You know, try to find somestrategy to kind of get back into the zone. I'll also say be reallythoughtful about, you know, what mistakes you might be making, like,even in games that were unlucky, there's probably a point somewhere where you couldhave helped to make things more in your favor and you didn't or you madea mistake, and that's fine, like we all make those mistakes. Thebest players in the world make mistakes all the time. But be thoughtful aboutthose, like don't attribute things to luck when you could have done more.Is ultimately like the kind of minds that you need to have and if you'reif you're not able to like keep track of that as well in game,like just record your games. It's much easier to see in hindsight, likeOh, you know, I bench this pokemon and I clearly shouldn't have.Right, didn't then this pokemon in my hand. I got my wild likeyeah, you know, it might seem like it's luck in the moment,but there's a lot of things that happen to make the luck work right,like yeah, certainly, certainly so. What all that said, what doyou think the point cut off will be? This has been a topic of conversationin my streams amongst the people in my community from you know, wehave another week's worth of data. What do you think the cutoff will befor the Players Cup to yeah, it's tough because, like, and we'rekind of talking about this for the Stream, it's tough because the people who areposting about their results are the ones you are like happy about it usually. So you know, you'll see the people who got a hundred plus pointsin our are feeling good about themselves and they'll post their deck and like whatthey were doing. You won't see the people who finished with like sixty twopoint five points and just weren't having a great time. That all being said, I think the cutoff is going to be somewhere around eighty. I've seena lot of people try and do like mathematical models around it and I don'tthink that's like holly appropriate a because I think the assumptions that you have tomake about like what is an average result...

...are inherently flawed and be like it'sreally hard to distribute this on like a normal distribution because we don't really knowhow many people are attempting to do this. Yeah, we can only get likea vague idea. So I think somewhere in the eighty range. Itmight be lower, it might be higher. I it's really hard well say that'sthat's true, Riley. It might be lower or or maybe it's aready, it's a hundred and fifty man like. Maybe all the really driventalented people are playing later and they just haven't done it yet. You know? Yeah, sure, you know. We don't have like a great estimatefor it. I think, I think somewhere like seventy eighty, ninety,like somewhere in that ballpark is. I think seventy s probably the safer guess. Yeah, but I mean if I would feel very confident if I wasninety plus, if I was over ninety points, I would feel pretty surethat I was going to make it. So I think rather than think aboutthe cutoff, I would say where I feel comfortable and I would feel comfortableif I was over ninety points. Yeah, yeah, and true. Like youlook back at a ninety point performance, knowing that each tournament would return anexpected value about a point and a quarter, and you would say,yeah, you know, Ninety points, I pretty much shattered that expectation.What it's what I should have performed at. And so, yeah, if that'syour barometer for success and ninety you get, you know, ninety plus, and you end up not making the top two hundred and fifty six,like I think you just say, okay, well, yeah, you know,I really put in at all. Yeah, I mean if you makeninety and dunk, get it. Like, I apologize for a setting that expectation, but am be because I think you have personally done very well ifyou've got the ideas. So, you know, I think you deserve somethingfor that. You'll get a pat on the back from tag team. Yeah, for sure. Do you have any like to sending thoughts about it?I think it's just so hard, like model that out. It really is. I mean we have more information, so, you know, the morethat we get, like I presume the the cast. You know, twoweeks from now right, which will be the last cast before the end ofthe Players Cup. Right. Yeah, we'll have the most information that youwould presume that a majority of the people will have finished and will get toknow pretty well what is, what the cutoff is. You know a littlebit more. Obviously, with more data points, will know a little bitbetter. So seeming, I would have to guess, yet, somewhere inthat seventy to eighty point range seems correct. Like you said, a lot ofpeople have been posting that they're you know, if they're if they're postingthe point totals, they're very happy about them and they're very proud of them. So you're going to see that. So if you're seeing that on facebookor twitter and you're seeing these people like, Oh yeah, you know, playedAtpz and got a hundred points, just take that with a grain ofsalt, because there's that person that played Atpz and got fifty points and fiftykeys. You know, I mean they're just is that a person out there? So just be careful by judging yourself by what others are posting on socialmedia, just because that is, you know, that is for everything,but also in pokemon cards. That is a place where people want to kindof inflate themselves and for good reason, I think, a lot of thecases, but nobody's trying to be malicious. But in any cases you're going tosee this kind of very polished players cut performance if people want to showcasethem. For sure. I don't play too much of your value on Ilike your players cover from instance, just another event at the end of theday, exactly. So let's jump into our next segment, which is ourcard of the week. So, JW, you got something special for us today? Well, we have gone with very nostalgic cards in the past.We've gone with some cards that means something personally to us, and I haveopted to go for a card that I...

...just think the artwork is very hilarious. It is a fighting Pokemon, okay, it is a basic pokemon, okay, it is is a HP pokemon from the crystal Guardians Expansion. Okay, and it looks like. I won't even say what it looks like,but I'll just say the name at this point. Well, actually, letme read the yeah, read the Deck Entry, the Deck Sentry, andsee if you can get this one. Yes, I love pretty I loveyou, I love guessing Pokemon from deck sentries. Yeah, let me,let me just go ahead and get that up. Okay. So where arewe at? Okay, it's skin is very thin. If it is asupposed to light, it's blood heats up, causing it to grow weak. Whatis it? What is it? A digglet? Bro It is.How did you know? Because it diglets are moles. They are always underground. Right, Oh, I didn't. You know what, I never reallythought about digglet having skin. That's good, interesting, but okay, well,did you? Did you really think about this? Is this the diglight that's on the wave? Yes, it's the dig lets that's on theway. Okay, so this is let me describe the card for those ofyou that are listening. This is from x Crystal Guardians. Its card numberfifth, forty two, no, fifty out of a hundred in the Englishexpansion. In forty two out of seventy five in the English are in theJapanese expansion. And it's the side of a cliff and there's a diglet andthere's an ocean with a giant wave coming and this diggle it is looking atthe wave and it's got like a sweat, a sweat running down it's ready.Card is so good. It's like simple and and beautiful and like theart like really isn't anything particularly special. It has kind of this angular designto it, but it just is so funny, like this is a perfectexample of a pokemon card telling a story, and that's one of the things thatreally draws me to card art is that if I can see the storybeing told in the card, like it's one image, but I can alreadylike feel how that diggle it must be feeling. See it's like mortal enemycome crashing at it. It's just so funny. It's cert another card tothat like has like a sequel or frequeled that card. It's like related insome way. I feel like. Well, we'll have to give that challenge outto our listeners to find that, because I can't think of it.I thought where there's a car that like has that way and the diggling likethe background or something. I forget what it is, though. It cameout like later to I'm pretty like a significantly later, I'm pretty sure.Okay, so they they were kind of like call and giving outmage, kindof like how some I don't know if you knew this, but like someof the I everget what it was I was like the Behem and alleheam thatwere using like the item lock deck or whatever. They had art that wasin reference to cards from like the NEO era. They are on like thesame buildings, you know how, like the new era there's always cart yeah, I was a reference to the Abra on the I think it was onthe LLEHEAM. The small one was on the same like spire as the Avra. It is kind of like a yeah, so the Diggle, I think,had a similar card or is like an in reference to that. Okay, we'll good. Well, we'll have to research that. Yeah, don'tget back next week. Don't quote me...

...on that, but I say,I swear, I mean certainly to me this is very iconic and anyone that'son the on the Patreon, knows that I have this as the banner there. I just think it's so funny. It's like such an emotional card.It is in just like a the funny way that Pokemon is right, likePokemon die and like pokemon are creepy and like pokemon get hurt and all thisstuff, but it's like a cartoon. So like this diggle, it youknow water. Presumably it's weak to grass on the card. But, likewater, is also a weakness of diggle it and just like staring down thething that could kill you and just like be like being so sweaty about it. You know, it's just it's so funny, it isn't it's such agood card. Also, thanks for sharing that at this JW. I lovedit. I love that card. I have great card. It's one ofmy favorite arts, I think. Ever, like I said, it tells atolls a great story. You you know how that diggle. It's theemotional state that diggles in. Yeah, exactly, and I feel like thatsometimes too. We all do. So I think we've reached the point inthe castle we can open it up to chat for questions. So if anyonehas any thoughts that they want us to touch on on the players, Cupor cards that you like or Pokemon in general, feel free to drop thosein the chat. See a couple from my friend Thomas asking about megabis Raland yen mega and Mega Garridos, all of which are currently a non existentor very bad so okay, okay. Well, it's good to know.I'm glad we have that in in recording podcast form. Yeah, Riley,do you think you'll stay with your Lucario Mel Metal Deck through the duration ofthe Players Cup? Now, once I hit two fire decks in a row, out row, like, I mean, I know you said that, butI thought it. No, that's like not cap about. Okay,once I hit the second one in a row, I'm gone, like catchme not playing Lacario the little ever again. What would you play? I don'tknow. Whole figured out when we get there. Honestly, I'll justplay mad parting. I thought it destroys the fire effects. Sure, itactually does. Yeah, no, mad but I actually lost to a madparty with Lucario me metal. It was bad, Dude. That's so sick. I love that. It was. It was. It hurt, butI was like, you know, promps to you for Bringing Mad Party onedeck that I've been really seeing and kind of enjoying. We touched on alittle bit from the player's Cup. Is the poison at turn its. Yeah, and I find that normal. At tarnity this has a very bad matchupinto Lucario. Not to not to shift all perspective through the through Lucario MelMetal, but just to say that poison at tarnity this is a very viableway to play at it is and one that I've lost to a couple oftimes with with Lucario momental. Having that answer to Zamasena in the form ofpoison is very strong and I'm just being able to reach those high numbers foryou. On to other vmax has is also a perk playing the poison build. No, I definitely agree. I like the poison it turn. Itis actually Dustin Zimmerman on undaunted just tweeted earlier today how he's been doing very, very well with the poison variant of reternity. said, definitely don't writethat off. Yeah, obviously it's got a little less consistency because there's justmore going on, but very good deck for sure. Yeah, absolutely.How about you? Are you planning on sticking it out with a Luke metalfor the rest of the way? Just it feels great to play a deckthat I can I'll play my opponents. I mean again, I've felt thatthe most clearly in the mirror match where certainly I've played a couple of mirrormatches where I just, you know,...

...kind of lost just because the opponentdrew better. But there have been a couple of games that I look backon in that mirror where I've been able to kind of overcome a slower startor overcome just a very unlucky break and take the match. So I lookat those as being as being matchups that I look forward to just in termsof trying to out strategize, and that's something that I've missed for a whilehere in in this format, just with the speed of ATP, just thepower of eternity is I really enjoy that kind of back and forth game playover multiple turns. Yeah, I totally agree. Being able to send thegame out and feel like your choices matter is, yeah, very satisfying.Yeah, absolutely. So, don't snipe me and play fired de x please, but we felt definitely here to stay. So I guess send a scorch players, is your time to shine. Right. There you go. Yeah, if you're send a scorch lover out there, you heard it here.I mean you probably didn't need to know. If you're send a scorch lover,you're like deep, you're in right, I don't think anyone's like, Ithink I'll play sent a scorch today. Now. They love you, likeyou're either. Yeah, you love Senda scorch right, you're just holythat. So it's so true. Yeah, go for it. Nobody's it.Nobody has a middle ground on Senna scorge. Yeah, so true.Well, thank you all so much for your continued support and listening. Thankyou to link is back eighty eight for the raid during the stream today,and the Bulba gang for joining us. We appreciate all your continued support.If you're listening on a podcasting platform, be sure to rate and review.It helps us get discovered easier so we can deliver more content to you,guys, and we will catch you in the next episode. Peace. SeeYou.

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