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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 6 · 1 year ago

3-6. The Melmetal Curtain

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are loving Lucario Melmetal Zacian, come hear about the Player's Cup is going and how the meta is developing in a LMM world.

Yo, what's up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend JW crew. All, JW, how's it going today? Hey, it's going pretty well, Riley. How are you? Man, I'm not gonna lie, I'm stressed, but I'm thriving to you know, like, yeah, you were just saying how how you were playing with your hair because you're so stressed. I don't know if I'm so stressed what. I am stressed, and when I do that I twirl my finger like around the end of my hair because it has like a little bit of a curl to it. So like I twist around the curl, but then it makes my whole hair very chaotic. So just a mess. But you know, things are going well on the whole. I can't complain. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, I when I get stressed I eat a lot of chewing gum. So I have yeah, this was like a week ago. It's already gone. My Spear Mint extra. Yeah. Well, I was telling you about another one that's halfway through. I was telling you last week about the icebreakers and how those are like deadly for me. Yeah, yeah, so I'm out of icebreakers. I didn't I didn't buy a new ones when I went to the store. Do you do the mint ones or do you get the Ya? I get the graber one, the green one, like Green Apple. No, it's it's like the spear men versus like m whatever else meant. See, I like the flavored ones, like the fruity ice breakers are. So sounds all good. I like Maur the whole Po. I like mint because it's like cold, you know, it's a cold sensation when you bite into it, and I like that. I really like bubble gum flavor, but I never buy the bubble gum flavor chewing gum because then I would just like the spear mint is like something that I'll eat and I'll just have like one piece like periodically, but then the bubble gum I would just like probably just eat like multiple pieces at a time just I don't know, I like it too much. Yeah, well, that's just candy at that point. Right. All right, that's all I'm saying. So yeah, cool. Any exciting developments in the last week in the world? JW. I wish I could say that there was. I'm going to be going this upcoming week. I'm leaving tomorrow for for a high school friends wedding, so in the wedding party for that. And so I'm going to be leaving tomorrow and going there and, yeah, and then quarantining afterwards. I'm going to try to get a trying to get a covid test after the wedding. But it should be very small, you know, very I mean as safe as you can have it, you know, with inviting people. So I didn't. You know, I'm going to take a risk. Right, it is a risk, but at the same time that's also like a wedding of a really good friend and I trust, I trust everyone that's going there to be safe. You know, it's not like a friend, it's a friend that's that's you know, would would be conscious and and their family would be conscious of COVID. So yeah, I'm feeling as safe as I can be in that kind of social setting. Sure. Yeah, Nice, Nice. So, yeah, enjoy your expedition. Yeah, it'll be fun, I mean, because this is really is the first time that I've seen people, yeah, you know, in close proximity since March. Yeah, I feel like I haven't seen a human being and forever man. Yeah, yeah, I mean we would do things like with with the church group and go out, you know, to like a park or something, but we just haven't stayed anywhere with anyone inside and six months. Yeah, that's kind of where we are right now. Where we are, YEP, definitely a wild scenario truth. So let's jump right in then. Let's let's talk poke Players Cup rages on. A couple weeks left to finish out that qualification and we've seen some some shifts and how things are going, if you ask me at least. Yeah, I think primarily the the main benefactor of which has been the Carlo Melt metal kind of went from nobody really playing it and then...

I got a couple nice performances, including Andrews Finish at the full grip online series last week, and since then I think it's been truly very popular. It's been making a lot of ways. A lot of people are playing it in top players are playing it at these Players Cup tournaments. So you know, I have my own thoughts. I've always enjoyed the car on that metal. GW You have any inside as to why it's been on such a rise yeah, well, I've actually been playing it a lot for my players cup run, and we can talk about just our individual performances here in a second. But it's a deck that gives you more than one turn. Gives you more than, you know, two or three turns, like the the ATP right can you know almost immediately. You know from the first couple of turns, like whether or not you win or lose. But with Lacario Mel metal you have a little bit of wiggle room to I'll play your opponent. I've actually found some of the most interesting matchups in this format to be a locario Mel Metal Mirror. And I say interesting, you know, relatively speaking, but it's certainly the most thinking that I've had to do in this format in terms of, you know, what do I attack with when and when do I play certain cards as opposed to holding on to certain cards, and, you know, when do I set up a backup attacker or not, and just all these little things that I think about in that matchup. I've really been enjoying myself with that. I think again, the deck gives players the most room to I'll play their opponents, and I think that's why we're seeing people jump onto it as a viable option. Yeah, no doubt. It's been a favorite of mine in my players Cup events so far as well, and for a lot of the same reasons that you said. You get multiple turns. It slows down the tempo of the game. It's some of the only decks where I will choose to intrepid stored and that's like my choice. You know, I'll have like the ability to attack and I'm like, well, actually, I want to intrepid sword this turn and like do something next turn. That's like what much more fabulous than this? Yeah, sure, you know. And you get to high behind the dolls and you have this like tanking factor, a really good turn it this match off with the Zambas enters and just using the ones osh in to pick off major threats. It's it's really very fun. And you know, you have a week matchup into fire dexs will talk about fire decks, but the fact that you get to take these games out and make more strategic play, I think is made it really a big draw for a lot of these decks. Yeah, and you look at the favorable matchups for Lucario Mel metal and you have a favorable matchup into straight at turn it is. You have a very, I would say, unfavorable matchup into poison at turn it is, depending on how like this the skill level of the player. But then you also take a very favorable, I maybe not very favorable, but a favorable matchup for my experience, into ATP. So that's another reason. You know, when we're seeing these Players Cup tournaments, especially early on, a lot of people were just running ATP. I think I've seen less and less ATP as the tournaments have gone on. I don't quite know why that would be, but I certainly have noticed a dip as opposed to like the first I've played twenty five now. The first twelve, I would say, I hit ATPE at least one time a tournament and then these last, you know, twelve. I've pretty much seen it sporadically, but you look at those two being kind of the the big bullies of the format. And then you also have ways to get around fire in the form of the bronze song. It's not a perfect answer by any means, particularly if sent to Scorch, which is the biggest fire deck right now. Particularly if sent to scorch plays a crammer ant. They're very easily able to deal with, you know, at the very least one bronze song. It's really hard to get to bronze on up in that matchup, but with the cramerant they're able to do that. And so sent to Scorch isn't quite the you know, easiest matchup, even if you do include something...

...like a bronze on but it is a deck that you can try to tech for. Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely a solid all around deck. I mean the fire matchup is what it is. Right. Like the fire decks, as long as they have a Cramar ant, will definitely meet you pretty much. and honestly, like I don't even bother with the bronze online very often. Yeah, it's it just feels like a waste of space ninety percent of the time. Yeah, well, sure it is, but I think that the deck also has that room. You know, you're done. It definitely does like it's the mostful kind of exaption. So you have, yeah, I would say you have somewhere between four and six slots that you can just kind of fool around with, you know, and kind of tailor the deck to your to your liking, and so I like that as well. About the list is that you just have that option agreed for sure. It's a very flexible deck. It's honestly, you know, it's similar to ATP in the fact that it has, yeah, a lot of room to work with and make things happen within the list itself. It's just tends to focus on more defensive strategies as opposed to offensive strategies. So we're sure ATP might play a Pokemon Catcher or, you know, an elder goth or an extra moss's orders or whatever you might have. You know, the car I'm about was that play an extra pokey doll, or they'll play some crushing cameras or, you know, some of those more slow the game down, like get you down to my speed kind of cards. Yep, absolutely. So I do slightly disagree. I don't think the ATP matchup is inherently favorable. I think it's probably one of your closest matchups actually. Okay, yeah, and I mean that is I don't think it would be considered unfavorable. I would say at the very least it's favorable from my experience. Yeah, I don't think it's unfavorable at all. Yeah, I just think it's very, very close, especially depending on like how the ATP player chooses to about their game. They suld AYTP player can actually make. It's one of the few matchups for the ATP player can actually make like meaningful decisions. And that's it too. You know, I've had a I've actually had a few of the ATP in the last you know, ten tournaments that have just like they played a turbo version, but they've played it like exactly like a turbo version, or they're just dumping all the resources in turn one and it's I don't think you know, you could, you could just slow down, you know, just take one turned to intrepid sword and you're probably in a way better spot. Yeah, I think the ATPS that I've been most afraid of are the ones that are willing to take some more time to tempo out and like make the game play to like kind of play to both of our decks in a way. Yeah, I've seen ATPS also try to use a second ATP is like their next attacker. So like they'll attack with an ATP as Oshtion and an ATP. I've seen that and almost work for them. Not Quite extranata. I think they prized and a water energy or something, but sure they have. The idea was actually good. I think it was a good idea. Yeah, yeah, to Ako, regardless of your swinging with an ATP or SASHINS. Sure, so, why not give yourself that extra HP? Yeah, anyway, though, shifting away from that, I want to talk next about kind of the effect that has had on the Meta at large. So I think the most obvious and immediate effect of the Quario Mel metal rising and prominence has been the subsequent rise of fire decks. You brought up. Sent to Scorch is probably one of the main offenders. Greens charzard has made a slight surge ever since Danny played it at the limitless event. If you been really interested in green ard, I mean even like Babyl Cephalon, is still kicking, you know, still there. You can't forget about it, certainly, and you know obviously all those decks take a either auto win or very favorable matchup against the car me metals ash had. So it makes sense then, that you'd play it in the rise of that Meta, and I think POCO players love it. Love a counter right, like they love to hit her weakness and like do that damage. You know say, yeah,...

...it is really thrilling to to go in with baby blue cephalon or like to get a big sense of scorch built up and just be doing you know, three, four under damage a turn. It's it's pretty fun. Yeah, and you a tour it as well, kind of really advocating for sent to scorch with the Magneton. So got a lot of angles here, a lot of things coming into play with fire and people are about that. People really like welder. Yeah, and it shows. So it's pretty it's pretty curious now that. I mean we're I don't think we'll ever reach a stage where water becomes the best play or becomes a viable play, like it's seemed some, you know, some success in terms of tournaments. There was a limitless tournament where there was a frost moth lapperus that got top eight. But you know, I don't think we're going to reach a stage just because of how good ATP is and how good Lucario Mel metal and a turn its are like. I don't think we'll ever reach a stage where it goes that like next step into okay, fire is good, so now water will be good. I don't think we're we're going to reach that. But why do you think? Maybe what we can't take that next step in a metagame evolution to see water rise up? Yeah, and I do a some more thoughts on fire specifically. But yeah, I think the water decks themselves just aren't good enough. Really. I think if lappers had like twenty more health to help it like take that hit from an intern is more cleanly, it would be in a much better position as a deck as it stands right now. You know, you're not. You're really swinging for the fences against ATP like you're not, you know, a reliable strategy there besides just doing your normal thing and hoping ATP doesn't do their thing better than you. Yeah, yeah, the car metal, I think, like the water decks, like lappers, actually maybe have a chance if they're able to load up just some insanely ridiculous lappers and sweet, but that's just like not a consistent strategy. You know, you don't even have intrepid sword to like build up massive hands to perform that. which is one of the major benefits of option in general is that you can yep, if your pumps not doing anything, you can just build up an insane and and go to town, for sure. For sure, and that. So it's just like it's got like these weird angles that just like don't quite work for it. So, yeah, like if you play a lappers deck, you'll probably be every sandy scorps that you play at. That logically follows. You know, minimum energy lappers will Ko Sandi scort. You don't even need a frost smoth to do that right, like you could just use the first attack on the lappers V to like get a second energy on it, evolve it next turn, attached a third and you'll probably sweep from there. Yeah, sure, but a, you know, I guess everything else like a you have to rely on any frost moth out, which, yeah, that already sucks. Be like the water attackers. Aren't that phenomenal? Both? Yeah, both in Tellyon and laperous are three hundred twenty HPV Max has, which is like the floor of emacs health. And they don't have like exceptional attacks under them either. Like, yeah, the sniping on a telly on school, but like it comes at the cost of like not getting really clean knockouts. Yeah, until you get like a lot of counters on the boards like work. Yeah, certainly. And then on the lapper side of things, like, yeah, you have on cat damage, but you're really rely on getting a lot of energy and play to do that kind of damage outside of the fire matchups. So it's just like there's just so much going on with these water decks. Are More complicated than the other decks. There's were, yeah, moving parts to them. Yeah, certainly. And that's again not to say like no one can do well with him, because I know people that have done well with Cantellian in the Players Cup, but, like you're saying, it kind of struggles without a low health, it struggles a little bit with getting the clean knockouts and it really runs into...

...a wallet, from my experience, just into a turnitis, which has been a very like us. I think the health matters the most. Right. It's like, yes, could actually reach that. So right, exactly, exactly. So, yeah, just interesting thoughts. Are we want to circle back to fire. Sorry to get off on that tangent. No circles back the fire. You had a few you had a few thoughts about about fire decks in this format. Well, I mean I think, I mean in general, I think fired XS are okay. They're not decks that I gravitate towards because I really don't like welder right now. It's clearly still a powerful supporter, but it you just have such a strong idea of like what a welder deck is capable of. In the fact they like they can't welder and boss you in the same turn, which is to me is a really big deal. So, like, if they don't have something powered up immediately, then you know that whatever's on your bench is safe for the most part on that turn. And you know they're more gimmicky in the fact they require multiple pieces in hand to perform their combo to the fullest extent. And in a format where you play Marni and stuff, it's a lot harder to ask that. It's a lot easier to ask for, you know, a sequence of cards over a course of a turn than it is to ask for multiple cards at once on demand. Yeah, you know, if you get mare neied, but you need like a two card Combo, like you need er sweet energy switch and a patch. That's simpler to achieve because if you if you research and draw patch and then you did anna and draw a s when energy switch or whatever, you've got that Combo and it's over the course of like multiple efforts to draw, whereas you know, you get your draw and you get like a does an a or Crowbat and you get your welder, which that just feels unfortunate to me. It's so like to get around that. The Greens decks are all playing surge. But yeah, and like the Brakestar deck. You know, obviously a searches out cards like equip these large Combos, but then it's just like, Oh, you know, your brakes are got resetstam after Marnid, after you got the search off, and and now actually every single card that you wanted is on the bottom of your deck. Yeah, right, right. So well that and that's actually the Meta, is to actually grab three bad cards put them on the bottom of the deck. Yeah, the opponent's so that way the rest of your deck is better when you rub. Yeah, that's insane. So, yeah, it's just like they're fine, they're good decks. It's just it's not something I would gravitate towards because I think the water decks are really pigeon holed and how they play the game. I think the the flexibility that the use out, especially these ash and decks just have a lot of flexibility with how they play game to game and I think it serves their benefit, obviously, because they're the best decks. So sure, sure, so let's talk a little bit about our individual Players Cup runs. Riley, you've done five tournaments, I've done twenty five tournaments, and let's just kind of go over how we've been doing, how we feel about everything that's happened and kind of what we've seen during the course of the tournaments. Everything that's happened makes it sound like there's some massive trashty years. I think no. Yeah, how do we feel that everything that's happened? Does that not sound like traps? I'd like to propose a moment of silence for the players Cume to entrance that are hovering in the sixty point realm. So that doesn't mind me though. So first things first, we made a mistake with our math. Honestly, we don't have like a great a fination for how we got such bad math. It was just a grievous error on our part in terms of calculations. So I would like to issue a redaction. The average distribution of points in a Players Cup is actually one point two five. So the overall average points, assuming you have a fifty chance of winning around which again it's kind of a faulty assumption outright...

...for a multiple of reasons. But it's under that assumption you would get sixty two point five points for playing in the Players Cup. So just want to do the air that before anything. That being said, diving into my particular run, so I played five so far. was kind of I'm trying to like wait it out and get into like that midpoint. So like starting like this in next week. I think this one I'll pullay the most dumb and I played only the cargo my metal so far and it's gotte pretty well. I have sixteen points. So two finals and two wins so far and then one that's really good, one loss in first round. So it's been good. You know, obviously it's a small sample side. Look, I've just played a very, very straightforward the car on my metal list. No fancy tricks, just like maxed out counsel, pretty much everything, and I've really enjoyed it. It's very similar to the list that Andrew played at the full group online series last week. M I'm just playing high counts of the stuff that matters and hitting that stuff and haven't really hit any fired DEX. Actually, almost every single round of all of these events I've played either a turn it this or ATP so I played thirteen rounds of Pokemon so far and nine of them have been against the turns or ATP wow. The other four where two MEWTWO's, one water, one fire, a geartine a card shop. In the finals of one, which was kind of interesting corn, I almost rage put that game because my pun was drawing like crazy and he and then he gg ended my guy after taking insane knockout like he he got this like insanely ridiculous play where he like gusted my luke metal before attacked and like hit double Zigzagoon and also calamitous on turn to. Yeah, and and then he gig ended and then I like martyed him and he got everything he needed. The GIG end my Zashin and I for some reason I thought that took prizes and so it's like, Oh, I just lose, so I just like I close the game out that I opened it back up and I put me back in the tournament like Oh, I didn't lose yet, and then I won that games that's so happy. It was pretty sick, not gonna lie. Some a little rage to it and then one that's hilarious. But it is good to know, though. I learned something from that. I learned a don't rage quit. Well, I learned D ggn doesn't take prizes and I always I don't know, I know that obviously, but like it right. Whenever you see it happened, you're like, yeah, you just knocked out my guy. Dude, what that? Yeah, you're moving everything to the discard pile. So the only time you do that, for the most part, is what he's wings look so still like. I learned that. And I also learned, like, if you happen to DC from a players got momentarily and get logged out, you actually can like get back into it if you haven't timed out yet. So, yeah, that's pretty cool. And I did have that happened later in the night. Like I had a brief laps in AER connection. I had to relog in and I was still in it, which is kind of cool. It's great. But yeah, so I played. To me, two is one ggn, and what was the other day? Oh, peak rom was the fourth of the man ATP Attorney Sex. Yeah, so I what I'll say is in my experience to Meta has been very centralized. I think it's been a lot of people's experience as well, especially with ATP and Luke. Metal is kind of served well into that Meta. If I honestly, if I even sniff like to fired acts, I'll probably switch took as soon as I see my second fire deck. I'll try something else for a little bit. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I've seen a fair amount of fire deckx and, you know, again I've I've tried to play in my Lacario me metal a you know, to to line a brown song. But if people are going to play cramerant and they're sent to Scorch, which has been the case, I...

...probably am just going to drop it from here on out. was something that I was trying and and it be one fire deck that I played, one sent to scorch and then I lost to another one. So it's been, you know, for four slots in a deck. I'd probably rather at this point go forward with something that will help more matchups, but it was a fun little experiment. So I'm sitting at about, I believe I'm at thirty four points out of twenty five tournaments, and that's like certainly not where I want to be, but it's a lot better than where I was. I was at something ridiculous before, like today, where it was like seventeen points on fifteen tournaments or something like that, and like it's not a market improvement, but I'm trending up. And so always get to end of right. Yeah, yeah, and you know, and I mean at the end of the day, like two hundred fifty or two hundred and what fifty six people will make it and then some people won't. Like that's just the nature of like having a car. So, you know, I feel like I didn't know. I feel like I have to say that, though, because you know, there are there are people that are getting very, very be upset with their performance and you know, I'm I was in that camp to an extent, just like feeling very unlucky or feeling like, you know, I couldn't catch a break, and I think they're you know, there's certainly some element of truth in that, but also, you know, it's just that's how it goes. I just want to say that it's not the end of the world. You know, if you go through these fifty keys and find yourself on the outside looking in, it's not the end of the world. Yeah, there will be more chances. Hopefully at heavily imply there'll be another player's cup. So at the very just just again I've talked about on the cast and on different you know, twitch streams and youtube videos, like how to be successful over the course of a tournament and then you look back at your performance, whether or not you did well, like whether or not you won, or even if you lost. Like if you if you play to your strengths and you play doing everything that you can to win, I don't think you can be upset if you lose. And so just keeping that level headedness, I think it's been really helpful and also being able to take a break. I found myself recently playing a tournament and then losing and then being kind of tilted but like wanting to run it back immediately after, and then I just had to like take a step back and say, Hey, you know, maybe tonight isn't the best night to play another one. Like yeah, I think for me I get caught in this, you know, trying to like prove myself like one more, just one more, just one more. You know, I know this can work. I know this can work, when maybe I could just take a step back. We're still, you know, a couple weeks from the end of this thing and and retry again some other time. Yeah, and I ask something I was actually going to say as well, is if you're if you're not into it, like don't force yourself to play at that moment in time right, like tilt is a real thing and like actively will invary Gameplay, even if you don't realize it, like while you're in the moment and it's hard to see if you don't like save your ods or like record your gameplay to be able to look back, because you won't, you won't notice the mistake. So even if you're taking like written notes, you know you're not going to write down the mistakes that you made in those instances. Yeah, I'll say, if you're not into it, just take a break, like it's going to serve to your benefit. Don't let yourself fall into the cycle of till because what's going to happen is, you know, let's say you made it too, let's say lost round one in a tournament and it's a really unfortunate loss and like you genuinely got very unlucky. And it happens, you know, sometimes you will draw to Dedenna and seven energy and that's it and like you'll get docked on turned to by his option, and we've all been there. But if you...

...are very upset after that, and you know you can, you're fuming about your luck. Yeah, and it's like an ongoing thing. Don't click that event button again, like just take a breather, maybe take even if it's just like fifteen minutes to an hour, and just don't play for a little bit, like step back, like Reef Center Yourself, because if you click that event button again, that's going to happen is you're already tilted. You'll make some minor mistake. You won't realize it at the time. You'll end up losing the game. You'll attribute it to further luck, get more of set, continue to make worse and worse mistakes while not seeing them because you're just upset and think that everything at this point is now you continually being unlucky and it's just a cycle. It's a horrible cycle, cycle that I myself a phone into before. Yeah, at like real life events. So yeah, so you know take advantage of the fact that we have an online to tournament where you can step back for a little bit a chill. Yeah, exactly. And then and then I think to like, if you're finding that you are not being as successful as you want to be, you know, certainly like, first of all, give your deck the time. You know, we talked about this a lot on the last cast, but give the deck the time that it needs to kind of show the results. And then if you are finding that you're not succeeding after, you know, ten or fifteen tournaments, you know, maybe then it's time to switch decks. Certainly that's what I did. I was on Luke metal for like the first five and then I switched to ATP because it seemed like all these people were, you know, saying, okay, I use all my tickets and I got ATP and I got a hundred points and it just seemed like so easy. So I was playing ATP and then I lost, you know, in the first round, I don't know, probably eight out of the next ten tournaments that I played and I'm like, well, I guess, you know, I should probably switch back. And then I have playing Lucario Mel metal and just have been having a much greater return per key with that deck, and so just being able to again, like I said, take a step back, breathe, see that what you're doing maybe isn't working and and either switch decks, try again a different day or, you know, do both. You know, try to find some strategy to kind of get back into the zone. I'll also say be really thoughtful about, you know, what mistakes you might be making, like, even in games that were unlucky, there's probably a point somewhere where you could have helped to make things more in your favor and you didn't or you made a mistake, and that's fine, like we all make those mistakes. The best players in the world make mistakes all the time. But be thoughtful about those, like don't attribute things to luck when you could have done more. Is ultimately like the kind of minds that you need to have and if you're if you're not able to like keep track of that as well in game, like just record your games. It's much easier to see in hindsight, like Oh, you know, I bench this pokemon and I clearly shouldn't have. Right, didn't then this pokemon in my hand. I got my wild like yeah, you know, it might seem like it's luck in the moment, but there's a lot of things that happen to make the luck work right, like yeah, certainly, certainly so. What all that said, what do you think the point cut off will be? This has been a topic of conversation in my streams amongst the people in my community from you know, we have another week's worth of data. What do you think the cutoff will be for the Players Cup to yeah, it's tough because, like, and we're kind of talking about this for the Stream, it's tough because the people who are posting about their results are the ones you are like happy about it usually. So you know, you'll see the people who got a hundred plus points in our are feeling good about themselves and they'll post their deck and like what they were doing. You won't see the people who finished with like sixty two point five points and just weren't having a great time. That all being said, I think the cutoff is going to be somewhere around eighty. I've seen a lot of people try and do like mathematical models around it and I don't think that's like holly appropriate a because I think the assumptions that you have to make about like what is an average result...

...are inherently flawed and be like it's really hard to distribute this on like a normal distribution because we don't really know how many people are attempting to do this. Yeah, we can only get like a vague idea. So I think somewhere in the eighty range. It might be lower, it might be higher. I it's really hard well say that's that's true, Riley. It might be lower or or maybe it's a ready, it's a hundred and fifty man like. Maybe all the really driven talented people are playing later and they just haven't done it yet. You know? Yeah, sure, you know. We don't have like a great estimate for it. I think, I think somewhere like seventy eighty, ninety, like somewhere in that ballpark is. I think seventy s probably the safer guess. Yeah, but I mean if I would feel very confident if I was ninety plus, if I was over ninety points, I would feel pretty sure that I was going to make it. So I think rather than think about the cutoff, I would say where I feel comfortable and I would feel comfortable if I was over ninety points. Yeah, yeah, and true. Like you look back at a ninety point performance, knowing that each tournament would return an expected value about a point and a quarter, and you would say, yeah, you know, Ninety points, I pretty much shattered that expectation. What it's what I should have performed at. And so, yeah, if that's your barometer for success and ninety you get, you know, ninety plus, and you end up not making the top two hundred and fifty six, like I think you just say, okay, well, yeah, you know, I really put in at all. Yeah, I mean if you make ninety and dunk, get it. Like, I apologize for a setting that expectation, but am be because I think you have personally done very well if you've got the ideas. So, you know, I think you deserve something for that. You'll get a pat on the back from tag team. Yeah, for sure. Do you have any like to sending thoughts about it? I think it's just so hard, like model that out. It really is. I mean we have more information, so, you know, the more that we get, like I presume the the cast. You know, two weeks from now right, which will be the last cast before the end of the Players Cup. Right. Yeah, we'll have the most information that you would presume that a majority of the people will have finished and will get to know pretty well what is, what the cutoff is. You know a little bit more. Obviously, with more data points, will know a little bit better. So seeming, I would have to guess, yet, somewhere in that seventy to eighty point range seems correct. Like you said, a lot of people have been posting that they're you know, if they're if they're posting the point totals, they're very happy about them and they're very proud of them. So you're going to see that. So if you're seeing that on facebook or twitter and you're seeing these people like, Oh yeah, you know, played Atpz and got a hundred points, just take that with a grain of salt, because there's that person that played Atpz and got fifty points and fifty keys. You know, I mean they're just is that a person out there? So just be careful by judging yourself by what others are posting on social media, just because that is, you know, that is for everything, but also in pokemon cards. That is a place where people want to kind of inflate themselves and for good reason, I think, a lot of the cases, but nobody's trying to be malicious. But in any cases you're going to see this kind of very polished players cut performance if people want to showcase them. For sure. I don't play too much of your value on I like your players cover from instance, just another event at the end of the day, exactly. So let's jump into our next segment, which is our card of the week. So, JW, you got something special for us today? Well, we have gone with very nostalgic cards in the past. We've gone with some cards that means something personally to us, and I have opted to go for a card that I...

...just think the artwork is very hilarious. It is a fighting Pokemon, okay, it is a basic pokemon, okay, it is is a HP pokemon from the crystal Guardians Expansion. Okay, and it looks like. I won't even say what it looks like, but I'll just say the name at this point. Well, actually, let me read the yeah, read the Deck Entry, the Deck Sentry, and see if you can get this one. Yes, I love pretty I love you, I love guessing Pokemon from deck sentries. Yeah, let me, let me just go ahead and get that up. Okay. So where are we at? Okay, it's skin is very thin. If it is a supposed to light, it's blood heats up, causing it to grow weak. What is it? What is it? A digglet? Bro It is. How did you know? Because it diglets are moles. They are always underground. Right, Oh, I didn't. You know what, I never really thought about digglet having skin. That's good, interesting, but okay, well, did you? Did you really think about this? Is this the dig light that's on the wave? Yes, it's the dig lets that's on the way. Okay, so this is let me describe the card for those of you that are listening. This is from x Crystal Guardians. Its card number fifth, forty two, no, fifty out of a hundred in the English expansion. In forty two out of seventy five in the English are in the Japanese expansion. And it's the side of a cliff and there's a diglet and there's an ocean with a giant wave coming and this diggle it is looking at the wave and it's got like a sweat, a sweat running down it's ready. Card is so good. It's like simple and and beautiful and like the art like really isn't anything particularly special. It has kind of this angular design to it, but it just is so funny, like this is a perfect example of a pokemon card telling a story, and that's one of the things that really draws me to card art is that if I can see the story being told in the card, like it's one image, but I can already like feel how that diggle it must be feeling. See it's like mortal enemy come crashing at it. It's just so funny. It's cert another card to that like has like a sequel or frequeled that card. It's like related in some way. I feel like. Well, we'll have to give that challenge out to our listeners to find that, because I can't think of it. I thought where there's a car that like has that way and the diggling like the background or something. I forget what it is, though. It came out like later to I'm pretty like a significantly later, I'm pretty sure. Okay, so they they were kind of like call and giving outmage, kind of like how some I don't know if you knew this, but like some of the I everget what it was I was like the Behem and alleheam that were using like the item lock deck or whatever. They had art that was in reference to cards from like the NEO era. They are on like the same buildings, you know how, like the new era there's always cart yeah, I was a reference to the Abra on the I think it was on the LLEHEAM. The small one was on the same like spire as the Avra. It is kind of like a yeah, so the Diggle, I think, had a similar card or is like an in reference to that. Okay, we'll good. Well, we'll have to research that. Yeah, don't get back next week. Don't quote me...

...on that, but I say, I swear, I mean certainly to me this is very iconic and anyone that's on the on the Patreon, knows that I have this as the banner there. I just think it's so funny. It's like such an emotional card. It is in just like a the funny way that Pokemon is right, like Pokemon die and like pokemon are creepy and like pokemon get hurt and all this stuff, but it's like a cartoon. So like this diggle, it you know water. Presumably it's weak to grass on the card. But, like water, is also a weakness of diggle it and just like staring down the thing that could kill you and just like be like being so sweaty about it. You know, it's just it's so funny, it isn't it's such a good card. Also, thanks for sharing that at this JW. I loved it. I love that card. I have great card. It's one of my favorite arts, I think. Ever, like I said, it tells a tolls a great story. You you know how that diggle. It's the emotional state that diggles in. Yeah, exactly, and I feel like that sometimes too. We all do. So I think we've reached the point in the castle we can open it up to chat for questions. So if anyone has any thoughts that they want us to touch on on the players, Cup or cards that you like or Pokemon in general, feel free to drop those in the chat. See a couple from my friend Thomas asking about megabis Ral and yen mega and Mega Garridos, all of which are currently a non existent or very bad so okay, okay. Well, it's good to know. I'm glad we have that in in recording podcast form. Yeah, Riley, do you think you'll stay with your Lucario Mel Metal Deck through the duration of the Players Cup? Now, once I hit two fire decks in a row, out row, like, I mean, I know you said that, but I thought it. No, that's like not cap about. Okay, once I hit the second one in a row, I'm gone, like catch me not playing Lacario the little ever again. What would you play? I don't know. Whole figured out when we get there. Honestly, I'll just play mad parting. I thought it destroys the fire effects. Sure, it actually does. Yeah, no, mad but I actually lost to a mad party with Lucario me metal. It was bad, Dude. That's so sick. I love that. It was. It was. It hurt, but I was like, you know, promps to you for Bringing Mad Party one deck that I've been really seeing and kind of enjoying. We touched on a little bit from the player's Cup. Is the poison at turn its. Yeah, and I find that normal. At tarnity this has a very bad matchup into Lucario. Not to not to shift all perspective through the through Lucario Mel Metal, but just to say that poison at tarnity this is a very viable way to play at it is and one that I've lost to a couple of times with with Lucario momental. Having that answer to Zamasena in the form of poison is very strong and I'm just being able to reach those high numbers for you. On to other vmax has is also a perk playing the poison build. No, I definitely agree. I like the poison it turn. It is actually Dustin Zimmerman on undaunted just tweeted earlier today how he's been doing very, very well with the poison variant of reternity. said, definitely don't write that off. Yeah, obviously it's got a little less consistency because there's just more going on, but very good deck for sure. Yeah, absolutely. How about you? Are you planning on sticking it out with a Luke metal for the rest of the way? Just it feels great to play a deck that I can I'll play my opponents. I mean again, I've felt that the most clearly in the mirror match where certainly I've played a couple of mirror matches where I just, you know,...

...kind of lost just because the opponent drew better. But there have been a couple of games that I look back on in that mirror where I've been able to kind of overcome a slower start or overcome just a very unlucky break and take the match. So I look at those as being as being matchups that I look forward to just in terms of trying to out strategize, and that's something that I've missed for a while here in in this format, just with the speed of ATP, just the power of eternity is I really enjoy that kind of back and forth game play over multiple turns. Yeah, I totally agree. Being able to send the game out and feel like your choices matter is, yeah, very satisfying. Yeah, absolutely. So, don't snipe me and play fired de x please, but we felt definitely here to stay. So I guess send a scorch players, is your time to shine. Right. There you go. Yeah, if you're send a scorch lover out there, you heard it here. I mean you probably didn't need to know. If you're send a scorch lover, you're like deep, you're in right, I don't think anyone's like, I think I'll play sent a scorch today. Now. They love you, like you're either. Yeah, you love Senda scorch right, you're just holy that. So it's so true. Yeah, go for it. Nobody's it. Nobody has a middle ground on Senna scorge. Yeah, so true. Well, thank you all so much for your continued support and listening. Thank you to link is back eighty eight for the raid during the stream today, and the Bulba gang for joining us. We appreciate all your continued support. If you're listening on a podcasting platform, be sure to rate and review. It helps us get discovered easier so we can deliver more content to you, guys, and we will catch you in the next episode. Peace. See You.

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