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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 49 · 8 months ago

3-49. The Recap Episode

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are feeling hyped after a great year for the game, come listen into some of our top hightlights for the year.

Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, Trading Card Games for me, your podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Curry. Wall JW. As going to day? It's going pretty well, Riley. How are you? I am thriving. That is my word of the day. I've said thriving to everyone who's asked. Dude, that's good. Okay, what makes you thriving? Nothing, really, and if anything, I'm not thriving. But you know, it's kind of like one of those you know, speaking to reality until you make it. Yeah, exactly, sound reality kind of things. Okay, okay, Gosh, okay, well, that's good. I'm glad we're back once again. Once again, happy to be here. Yeah, how are things going in the creole world? It's good. Let's see, the biggest thing yesterday I couldn't sleep. I was playing Peter Ciggio till I oh, no, three in the morning, don't tell my wife, and then I cleaned my room, so I now have yeah, no, I it was really good. I got rid of like four boxes last night, so I now have my table all set up and I could potentially, if I ever find a friend here in Columbus, I could potentially do like tabletop stuff. Just need a just need a like to set the camera up. So I ordered like a I have my little logic tech Webcam, so I'm going to see how that looks with a little extender for the cord out back and but yeah, there might be some tabletop stuff coming. I don't know, or at least at the very least it's a place for like Anna and I to play board games or something, and that's not to be underestimated. That's that is nice. It's nice. I just I'm so happy that I finally got it set up. It's like been, yeah, a month in the making. So you go. That's awesome. Any other exciting developments? Who? Jobs going well? I'm ordering a lot of cards for IRL tournaments. I mean it's like a lot of little things, right, yeah, on TCG player and like if full grip doesn't have something, you know, then I'll just like go on tcg player and it's like an order here, a little bit of this, like one gues Lord, one, you know, Max Alick Sir, right, like all these little cards that just are kind of adding up. So that's pretty cool and that's been that's when fun. It's been good to touch cards again. Yeah, love to touch them all right, me too, bro like. Actually, just straight up touching the cards is like insane. I am getting the ITCH. I feel that, man. I feel that now whenever I go to like target and I find one of those like jumbo starter packs, you know with the the three starter pokmon for my generation, I always buy those. I can open up some packs. Nice, nice, that's cool. Yeah, sweet, okay. Anything new with you, Riley? NEW WITH ME? Nothing too wild. Nothing too wild. I went to a minor league soccer game on Saturday, which is pretty fun. The remind me their name again. Were because you Madison for forward, right, because you've been and there they have the pink and teel colors. Yeah, they look great. I'm remembering. So went to one of their games again. That was really fun and, you know, just been kind of plowing through a lot of work this week. Ton stuff going on, but the the clearing is on the horizon. Very Cool Day. And speaking of things on the horizon, the end is near, JW. The end of this calendar year of pokemon is is coming up quickly on us. Yeah, no doubt, and also another finish of another great season of tag team. Absolutely, absolutely. So. We got one more episode after this one before the season is complete, but we do want to spend this episode kind of taking a look back and at the the history of the format this year and taking a look at some of the highlights from the show and from, you know, just the general going on of the community in the past year. So we really excited to kind of share some of ideas with you and if you have any experiences that you've personally had that have been really valuable, feel free to either share them in the chat or, you know, she was over a message on twitter. Yeah, absolutely, Jadvy, do you want to start us off with our first highlight moment of the year? Well, moment or just general time frame? I I thought this year was really fun for a lot of the...

...pokemon content creator collaborations. Yeah, and one of those collaborations that happened earlier in the like rote rotational year, that the pokemon competitive year, was the domino poke online play league. I thought that was a fantastic thing for the community and just a really fun way for some of the content creators, both big and small, to collaborate on something for, you know, the greater good, I guess, for just, you know, people in general. I thought it was a really great time and unfortunately, I don't think that it really took off like it didn't. It didn't blow up in a way that that I think some of the organizers were expecting. But I don't think that that means that it's not a success. You know, I think it was a good way for us all to gather together, have some fun with each other and support each other in a way which which is really good, I feel like. Again, like we say it a lot, or at least I say it a lot, you know that the community really helps each other. Yeah, no, no, no, no, like the opposite, right, like people are always in the TCG community, amongst the content creators. For the most part, ninety five percent of the content creators are going to help one another out, and I think this was a perfect representation of that. Absolutely, absolutely. I forget. Did you win a lot of games in the play league? I went about average. Average. I went about average. I had some where it was like some absurdly bad luck. And yes, yeah, it was all the luck. I mean it wasn't like my deck choice or anything like that. But no, we went about average. I think you know, it's fine. It's kind of a toss up with that kind of stuff, right, because like you can just get hard, hard like metagame that out of the you know, it is the best of three kind of conquest style. So it's super easy to just kind of get get bodied there by one or two bad games. But there's a lot of fun. I hope we do it again in the future at some point or something similar, maybe not on the week to week level as that, but like maybe some kind of you know, invitational or something. You know, I think people like to see generally. You know, the feedback was that okay. I like to see these content creators match up against one another. You know, did it get the general views on Youtube? Maybe not, but yeah, that kind of competition among constant creators is pretty cool. Absolutely. It's always fun to see, you know, the crossover episode, right, or your favorite creators are like working with each other. Yeah, for sure. I mean that's a huge thing in I don't know, I guess I can I'm sure in any competitive arena, right, you just love to see like your favorite athletes go up against each other or yeah, your favorite team's right, like like in esports or something like go after each other. So it was pretty fun. I don't know that we, you know, developed any rivalries, but I think you know next time, if there isn't, next time I'm going to be talking way more trash. There you go. Yeah, that's the secret. You gotta Yeah, Filain, that's right. Why not me? I think I'm not right in thank Oh, what the heck? I think I'm the nicest of all the constant creators. Is that true? I mean, that's for you to decide, but I'm throwing that out to the universe, because the universal will be the judge of that. It's kind of another highlight, and this is like an other general one. I think a huge thing for me that I've emphasized throughout the year is I've been really surprised, pleasantly surprised and happy to see the kind of grassroots see that we built up and Pokemon, I feel like so much a pokemon was so rigorously defined by play Pokemon during like the past few years and really even historically, and you know, the communities really come together and made their own scene. In the last year. Basically it's been really impressive. You know, we've had the HEGSTER events, you've had the chill TCG events, you've had all these different like recurring series, getting tons and tons of entrance every single week, and people are still like enjoying the game and playing it and that's awesome. It's really cool to see. You know, we've talked as well about how it's had impacts on the metagame and the fact that, like the metagame is developing so much more quickly now because of the cadence of events and the publishing of all these different results, and it's really cool. I'm so curious to see one we eventually returned in person play,...

...like what the downstream effect of that is on this like limitless environment that we've cultivated. Are you saying, like do you want to see if it continues? Or yeah, honestly, like like if the players that have played a lot and have, you know, mode, I don't know names for themselves like continue on in the yeah, I think I hear both. I would love to see some of those players and like, you know, take it to the next level, improve themselves that like regional championship, and I would also love to see this online sphere like continue. You know, I think it's I think it's good for the game to have like this kind of grass roots, local ish scene where there's like tons of tons of smaller events that you can always participate in, you know, just depending on your availability or and time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it has been really cool. I mean, with the absence of a ranked ladder, it's been almost a necessity. Bring it up, right, I know, I know, but it's been almost a necessity for these kinds of tournaments to exist, right, because you just you need a way to showcase competition. Yeah, and you need a way for you know, players to to compete. And again, without a rank the ladder, like, it's been pretty hard to showcase that. So these tournaments have been, you know, one of those ways, right, that somebody can say, yeah, I'm I'm separating myself from the pack as being somebody that is good, that you know, you saw like a Zul win a bunch of tournaments. You're seeing all these, you know, players that I don't know that I had ever heard of before online tournaments like consistently perform very well. So it's really it's really neat. Absolutely, absolutely. But speaking of online tournaments, I think another thing that we should bring up. I mean, of course it is just the entire creation of the players cups. Yeah, what a fantastic idea by POKEMON. I think we were all kind of waiting early in the pandemic like hey, when is this going to be a thing? When is this going to be a thing? When is pokemon going to, you know, kind of step up and and provide the community with events and actual, you know, sanctioned online tournaments? And to their credit, I think they listened right, they listened to the community, at least I like to think that they did, and and brought us something that was really special, unique and I worked pretty well. Yeah, I think the Players Cup was. It was awesome. I the level of excitement around the Players Cup happening. Obviously, they kind of fumbled the ball a bit with like the first iteration of the key system, it felt like, but they really refine that going forward. It felt a lot smoother going forward and it was really just enjoy to see the fact that Pokemon was still invested into the online scene right, like we weren't just waiting for an answer, I guess, for a year, right, they actually did invest their time into it and and spoke to the players and their desire to play right. Absolutely, yeah, I think it. You know, we're always going to have concerns. I guess, like one of my concerns would be like well, could they have just done more of these tournaments? But it was at least something to look forward to every quarter and I really hope something like this exists. If, you know, soon we go back to irl competition, and that's a big I mean that's always a big if, like you were speaking like day by day, as if it's going to happen. But yeah, it's something certainly that I hope Pokemon will continue in some capacity, whether it's this large scale or even just, you know, eight man pods to earn, you know, some CP or something like that. I hope they continue this kind of level of competition in the online sphere. Yeah, and not to mention, you know, we can't, we'd do you're a miss to mention the players cups without talking about our own like experiences in them, you know, positive and negative highlights. I guess. If you know, I had some flubs and the players cups also. That's a really good qualifying runs. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there was that one. Let's see, use. I think place up to for me and then three for you. Oh, three for me. Yeah, and I just smoked through through Players Cup. Three, I don't know. What did you finish in Players Cup? To not great, okay, okay, okay, all right, Gotcha. Yeah, because I like I was like top sixteen, I think, terms of points. Oh, oh, okay, shop curation, I was. I was fifth. That's right. Yeah, I was, like I thought you had so ridiculous round to finish.

I was, I was tied for fourth, fifth, which is wool got. Yeah, that was kind of cool. I don't know what the tie breaker was. So Azul got fourth and you got fifth. Yeah, yeah, hate to see it. You hate you hate it. It's you despise it. Sorry about that, but it's okay. But I so I did do better than you, but that actual Players Cup itself, you far exceeded me. True. Yeah, there you go now, exactly. And of course Pikachu and ZAC ground carrying us hard through players cups. I mean that's you know what I'm about. Be Honest. I'm miss that that. Man, I played that back when it was like, you know, baby peak ram, Backo nose Peaka pads, you know, back with Ye have Bolton, like there have been a lot of iterations of peak around that I played and I'll miss it. I'll miss it. Yeah, it's kind of funny to see the life cycle and like reminisce about these cards as the life cycle, because that was what introduced in two thousand and nineteen right, like yeah, a long time ago, and then just to yeah, continually play it and see it kind of evolved this yeah, that's funny. Even a miss it. I was like a huge peek around a stand before peek rand came out, and then it kind of came to mainstream. So I got over it and then, but then I think post rotation this year I could had a revitalized interest in peak ram. I think yacking away like the Super Turbo elements to it made it, yeah, more interesting to me. Oh for sure. Yeah, you weren't just like a glass cannon. I felt like that was a lot of the old lists or just like yeah, I'm going to try to blow up and get that one big turn with like, you know, two or three electric power, like go hard and if I don't get it, and it's said it at the start of the year, I'll say it again. I really did not like electric power, I didn't like Thunder Mountain, I didn't like what they added. So having it be more restricted to just like cocoa and bolt on was it felt like a more strategic deck to me at that point. Sure, yeah, absolutely. But pokemon also invested in online seen in a completely different way. That we should call it as well, and that's the team challenge is now. Obviously the team challenge still looks like it needs some refinement in order to really nail down exactly what they're going for there. But so so cool that they did it. I think it was really interesting. Like you have all these local stores that have an opportunity to kind of represent this there scene in a way, at a high level of competition. So Super Fun. I love how they incentivized like for the stores and the players to participate. You know, you had these play maths that you got an iteratively, that you got new ones if you did better and better in your placements. So yeah, I love the idea. I would love to see them continue to iterate on that and like improve upon it. I think you still need some Polish, but I really, really am a fan of it. Yeah, I think it was pretty cool. I think there was some discrepancy. My biggest scripe, my biggest scripe outside of like the scheduling issues, which is really not a fault of anyone, but it's just you know what's going to happen when you're trying to coordinate. You know three to eight people are exciuse me, sixty people. But my biggest scripe was, like there's discrepancy amongst like teos and stores about prizing. Yeah, which I thought was was really interesting and I, on the one hand, I like kind of understand it. On the first team challenge, or the second team whatever one, I qualified for one of the earlier team challenges and Pokemon sent out a box to all the stores, I think, with the intent being, Hey, divvy this box up amongst your players and participants, and then they just ended up like selling the box, and it's like I understand, like I get it if you're a local game store and a pandemic, like I empathize. But also, you know, is that, is that good practice? Like you kind of knew that they were sending you this box? Yeah, I mean it be distributed a right. Really, the the lesson of the team challenge is there needed to be better logistics around it. Right, all look and it's, you know, that kind of covers the prizes, that covers the scheduling. Just like it wasn't logistically super well done, but the idea was there. Yeah, and it was a great idea. I mean it's fun. Yeah, you like, because I felt like the team challenge actually really like was a good line betweeen hard competition and just like fun. Yeah, you know, because you...

...had, at least on all the teams that I was on, or most of the teams I was on, like a general mix of like, okay, here's some try hards or like players with the results, and then here's some people that just like signed up one night and one you know, and like they'd been playing for a year or something. You know. I mean it was like there's that kind of mix, and so I thought it kind of made that made that kind of exciting, kind of interesting in the sense that, okay, we're really trying to win, but I can't feel too bad about losing because, you know, you know people are going to play weird decks or, you know, the caliber players, not like top tier, right, because you can't choose your your partners. But yeah, I thought it was a good mix of of like competition and I just like a chill atmosphere. Absolutely so I want them. Yeah, so, a long story short, like I want them to continue this kind of thing, like we're all these things. I feel like we're good innovations. That only happened because of the pandemic, but it's like a quality of life improvement that I want them to continue it well into the future. I don't know if they will. It doesn't really seem as though there's going to be another players Cup or another team challenge, but like, I really hope that they will, because they were a lot of fun. I totally agree, and I guess capping off our kind of like Players Cup online seen highlights from the year. I mean we got to mention Alex Shamansky. Man He took home the chilling rain players cop and then just shortly afterwards he took home like the Players Cup Invitational Championship using the same tech. Unbelievable, and he has some amazing games that then there too. I mean I just think of the one game he had in game three. You orsus a zul where this will really seem to be like in a commanding physician and Alex just finds this perfect route to take six prizes in one turn. I mean, this guy's figured it out. And I Alex has been a guy who's had good results throughout his career. He's been top sixteen player since he came to masters. But I feel like he's been waiting to have this like really big breakthrough moments where he's like this is, you know, this me on top here and yeah, yeah, for Sud that validating moment. I feel like he's yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean you know, if you've been playing the game for any number of years, you'll recognize Alex's name and and and you always kind of I don't know, at least for me, it was always like of course, Alex, fantastic player, little bit of an Asterisk, because it always would seem like, okay, he'd get to top eight of a regional or get to top eight of ocean, you know, of a international or something like. He'd always be there in the conversation but could never quite close the deal. Like a lot of it to know, fault of his own. Yeah, but that's just how the how the cards had been right, that's how the chips fell, and so to have him win this event, you know, kind of nothing else happening right, like all eyes Han the Players Cup and and that invitational as well, and to win both was just really, really, like you said, validating for him. So I'm very happy that that he was able to do that, come away with a win. Absolutely, and I think we have one more major highlight that we want to cover. We had a great year on the cast as well. We did. We had a lot of listenership this year. You all have shown so much love and support and we had a lot of great, friendly faces that joined us on the podcast. It JVD. You want to dive into some of those? Yeah, so early in the year we had chip Richie. Was a great interview. I thought, yeah, and and look for these people to you know, again, the the content creation sphere is like relatively small. So, like I would say, look for, you know, I handful of these people to potentially handful. Look for a couple of these people to be back again next season. But chip was very early on. Is really cool to get to hear his back story. I remember him talking about what he did like as a job, right, and he was just like yeah, man, I just sell on Ebay. And stuff and I was like, Oh, that's insane, what a guy. Finally, I know, the the Ebay Reseller, and then and then we also had Celio's network. So Luke was joining the cast. This is kind of that stretch where Riley, you were you were in your own world, man. I was so really luke was. Luke was another one that was great because he talked a lot about the you know, we talked a lot about a content creation and he's obviously pushing really hard for that as being kind of a viable means of income and just how hard that is right with all the challenges that I...

...think are seemingly apparent to playing the POKEMON trading card game. But, you know, props a luke and really great interview there that we had atrocious jake on the cast. Another player that it kind of falls into that category of like, oh, started with TCG, you know, started with with doing PTCG, Oh and openings and stuff like that, and then, as since, kind of moved into VGC, which is we've seen that a number of times players like purple cliff, Serra Dawn, and then I'm I mean I'm sure there's at least one or two others that I'm missing as the butt on the mine for me. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or maybe like like pink vapor would be another one. Right, to an extent, I suppose, but another one of those creators. And so that was cool to get his perspective on the two communities. And then we had frosted Cariboo, so she'll be joined us on well, joined me on the cast most recently, and that was again another great conversation. I feel like I got to know her a little bit better as a creator and person and I was pleasantly surprised by the insight that I gleaned from our conversation. So all those really great interviews are up on the you know, on the podcasting platforms of your choice, so I would definitely recommend you go check them out. At that rate, you're of you once you're done. Yeah, exactly. I don't know, Riley, did you have a chance to listen back to any of those? I haven't listened to the Carivou one. Yeah, I listened to the others. Okay, yeah, it was just curious. Any any thoughts on on the guests that we had on the cast this year? I mean, I really enjoyed all of them, and I think that's one of the things that we talked about this earlier is we have just such a with regards to the omnipop league. We have just such a welcoming, positive sphere and POKEMON. I think it's easy to lose sight of that, but just like really great people, honestly, that exist around us in the pokemon scene. Yeah, yeah, I would say for the most part right. Like, we still have, for sure, issues, there's bad apples, there's there's never there's never going to be a time to stop, you know, trying to move forward in terms of, you know, progressive thoughts on on, you know, various members in the community. But you're absolutely right, right, I think it's done a good it's a good those surrounding ourselves with, with positive people who uplift the community as a whole. Yeah, would agree. What agree? So Great. I want to make one because I know we're going to move into card of the day now. I want to make one other special shout out. Yeah, during Players Cup one, it was an absolute joy to work on a rogue deck that didn't actually come to the full realization. I mean it did, it was played right, but I was working with Alex Piney on his Decidu I obstacle deck and you know, he came to me with this idea and he's like hey, I need some help, like with the list and trying to figure out how to make this work, and it was a genius idea. Certainly spawned what we would see later on in future formats. The deciduali decks of future formats. Unfortunately had some bad luck running and into like, I think, just a random fire deck and then the I think if facing off against Natalie if I remember correctly, but certainly one of those metal decks that you know with the Gx, and then they had the the the Luke Metal Gx, right, getting rid of the energy and reducing the damage, and then the zoption and then the I think they also had the stunt Fisk as well. That a real that's fertile, real killer. So Oh no, no, I take it back. They had the bronze on, they had the bronze song. So still like doing seventy damage to shotting all the SCIDUIS and it taking really hard. And then, yeah, right, and then you had the metal goggles right, so you're like taking no damage. So that was really tough matchup, but it was cool to work on that deck with Alex and I'll remember that fondly from this season as well, honestly, just as a great year. Great Year interview. I'm excited for what the next year of rings with us, and with that I want to bring us into the car of the day. Jw, I got a Polka x entry for you for this card of the day. Are you ready? I am ready. Can I google it? Not? I mean, okay, I guess I can. Lest I can't physically stop you, but it I'm lost ready. It would be in bad faith if you did. That's fair. Okay, I will not. So it goes as follows. It's swiftness is unparalleled. It can scale a tower...

...of more than twozero feet in a minute's time. Um, I mean, I'll tell you what you can get one hint. It can either be the set or the type. Okay, I'll take the type, for sure. Water, what the heck? Um, okay, how about? This is going to be a weird one. I'm going to say I'm going to say pelaper. It's the Felibert. That was a weird one. So the card that I chose, and I was inspired because of our conversation last week at out drizzle. So I chose another stage, one of two water type that was relevant. Yeah, and that is frogodyear Oh man. So frogo deer from break point was another stage, one that had a lot of play. And what frogged deer did is it had, for one water energy, it had the infamous water duplicates attack where you could get up to three more frogo deer, all of them from your deck, and put them into play, let's go without having a new evolve of frokie, and that's really what enabled the whole Grninja deck to even be a thing. Greeninja break so, you know, not quite as useful generally as drasile, but it filled the niche of like a you know, of a stage, one that actually contributes to the game. So I really am a fan of the Gredinja Li and Gradinga break was it deck that I really wanted to work on a couple of occasions and never did. So frogo deer. Thank you for your service card of the day. Yeah, well, and you can still kind of play froged deer in this format. You can play frogod deer this format. I well, kind of, if you're looking for the same you know, are duplicates. Oh, yes, so curlia. Yeah, curly I brogoeer is their first road years there first. That's right. Never forget the og, never forget the OG. So the original Granninja. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, I think we want to move on now to some of the highs and lows from each of the formats. So these are more card based. What contenders and pretenders? What did we we called him MVPS LVPS, although I like the contender for pretender as well. Yeah, I don't know, MVP lvp maybe matches a little bit more, because there are certainly some on this list that enders that we're definitely not pretenders, but we don't think very highly of them. So let's go with the MVP lvp, most valuable players in their respective formats and least valuable players in their respective format. So we've had four set releases this year, darkness ablaze, vivid voltage battle styles and our latest, chilling rain Yep, and so we'll start with team up to darkness ablaze, Riley. What are the MVP and the lvp or this format? So I mean when you're thinking of an MVP for the darkness ablaze format. I think there's only one truly obvious answer. You know, we've talked about it a lot on the podcast about how much we like it, how how good it is, and that is, of course, mad party. But it's a mad party, but it's probably my favorite deck to come out in the past year. Just so ridiculous, so fun, and I can never get enough of it. Honestly, it's yeah, it just like it was like smooth sailing right, like you load peachcgo up, you got like Nary a care in the world. That's a you're just rolling your mad party. Bad exactly describes me. Yeah, they're sure, for sure, and like you know what like, and name a better deck to like Friday night. You know, you just got done playing league, you know, and you need to kind of like wind down, maybe with an adult beverage. They're like, okay, I'm going to log into Peachcgoh for, you know, an hour until I fall asleep and like you're rolling mad party every time that sitch. Oh, yeah, absolutely, deck is insanely fun. It was, you know, one of the one of the few like consistently viable one prize decks for multiple of the foremasts that we've had. Yep, so...

...it's been awesome. It's it was really good at good adition of the game, I think. Yeah, for sure. Now what wasn't a good addition to the game our lvp a turn. It is vmax. What a freaking card, man, what a freaking card. And for so many of the sets it was so, so good, so good. I mean I played that deck a lot in, I'm the poke league and in Players Cup and just on the ladder. Like I like that deck generally, but it was so linear and so just simple, simplified right, that it's especially it is point in time right, for sure. And so like we were all kind of looking for, you know, another set to like bring some diversity to the game and we all wanted a new set to kind of overthrow the tag teams, which I guess in a way that turn it is did, yeah, but just not in the way that we all kind of wanted it to. Yeah, absolutely, with like you know, with like skill ceiling and like yeah, it is such a frustrating deck to play, a guess, because it's like you either either had a deck that was good against the turn. It is. Or Yeah, I deck that wasn't good against the tarn. It is. Yes, that's definitely true. Yeah, that's daughter lost that game, unless that's dead drew off right. And that's the thing too, is like, yeah, you were just at the mercy of there's no real way to build the turn it is, to like make it that much more consistent, right, like you're playing your for Probat, you're playing your for researcher, for Marny, like that was pretty much it. Yeah, and so that made it frustrating as well, because I was like, well, I don't think I can really I'll play my opponent necessarily, right. So, yeah, like there's no our, there's no way I can like deck build my way into all playing my opponent. I guess that's what exactly exactly. So let's go to vivid voltage, though. Let's do it. So, after a long three months with darkness ablaze, I guess it was a shorter period of time at darkness ablaze, vivid voltage was fresh, ready to live enough the format JW. What was the most valuable player in vivid voltage? Over me, I love the concept of amazing rayars because I love the concert of amazing ruse. They were so epic, they were so fun. That's good content, such good content. And you know, they only happened like a quarter of the time realistically, but they were super cool when they did happen and they just were great art. Like I'm a collector of amazing rares, like if you got amazing rayres line around the house like Selm to me. For Real. I loved the artwork. I thought they were beautiful cards. They just kind of didn't, you know, didn't perform all that well, but they made for some fun games for sure. Yeah, amazing rares. Honestly, I loved the idea of that. I Love the art. Obviously was phenomenal, dear beautiful, beautiful cards, but I also kind of like the idea of just having these like intentionally absurd cards, you know, where they have these like crazy effects but it's like, yeah, you're not really ever going to use this, but like if you want to try, like right high risk, I reward sure. And and that's the thing too, I think is missing a little bit in the game design at times. And why this was so refreshing in the vivid voltage format is like they had cards that were that were like on the cusp of usable, right, because if any of these had, you know, maybe one less energy cost, right, or two of the energy were like the same type, right, like I think about kyoger. Kiger would probably have been an insane card if it was like to water and a lightning to power it up, right, because now you're not dealing with three different types. But it so was on the cusp of being playable and a lot of the times, if you could get it going, you know, like I'm thinking about Kyoger, the Ray Quasa was pretty good. You know, Zombozn't Zassian, if you can get those things going, like they were going to do some pretty pretty big damage. Yeah, well, I in a way I kind of like that. They're so ridiculous, though, like I feel like so many pokmon cards like have such obvious like like Niche's or, you know, build and play kind of strategies, and you kind of like mix and match those different like subsets of cards together where its like amazing. Rares is like yeah, you got to just figure this one out on your own, like yeah,...

...there's not like a way to make this work, so you gotta figure that out. Yeah, they didn't really like come with a built in you know package. Yeah, and so I don't know, I wish that. I almost wish that was something that they just like continued. Like imagine just like one amazing rare per set and it's like that. It's be cool. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so then, what would be your lvp for the vivid voltage format? I think, now I think about it more, I think there's two. The first one goes out saying that the FORMAT FOR VIVID VOLT DIV voltage, didn't bring it off to the game and brown nothing bro so we just played like six months of darkness, a blaze for that basically, which was so miserable by the end of that was the dark days for me. Like that felt so hard. Was a blaze. That this yes, you know, right before battle styles. That was tough, man. That was really, really tough. I think the other lvp, though, and this is the one we had written down, is the distributors or at lvp at this time period and like the printing, I guess, like vivid voltage got printed like once ver. Yeah, and you know, they gave about like three booster boxes of vid voltage and that was the entirety of the set. So if you didn't get one of those three booster boxes you had to hit to buy one of the cards. Yep, I was just it's impossible to find why. I know it was so crazy. I mean, you know, we can blame it on covid but yeah, yeah, crazy. So that was a it was just a difficult era of the game, I think. Oh, for sure. It's a low point for a lot of people, I feel like, because and actually the funny thing, though, is like vivid voltage probably becomes like a significantly better set in about two weeks. Yeah, right, like when we get the flaffy like all of a sudden, because I think that was I mean that was set that had the chalky chew, and then I think we also got like one other major lightning v Max. I'm forgetting like toxtricity or so. I should know this off the top of my head. Talk think maybe there was one. Oh, coat was a cocoa Coco v Max. Now that was I'm pretty sure there was one other lightning. I'm pretty sure there was one other lightning. Be I'm maybe I'm misremembering, but in any case, like people were trying to make Pikachu vmax work and it again there's another one like on the cost of being pretty decent right, doing some pretty big damage but falling a little bit short in the end. So, Hey, who knows? Yeah, maybe a maybe, a little a little flaffy action can get get some of those V maxes going from vivid voltage little flaction. Right. Well, let's go right into battle styles then. So battle styles, I mean the MVP is battle styles. Literally, the crew of battle styles was the MVP. What an awesome addition to the game. We've been so high on battle styles ever since they kind of like announced it. We thought it was going to be good and it really has been. You know, I sometimes I think when these kind of mechanics are printed they almost become like to like, I don't know, cookie cutter or like build and build and play. But I feel like the rapping strike and the single strike mechanics have both had like they're kind of defined niche. They've both like found their ways as just individual cars and to other decks and they're just a lot of fun to play. US An archetype as well. So and I think one of the best parts about this mechanic is they're not giving up on it. They're continuing to iterate on it. We got the fusion style coming now. So I mean just props the POKMON. We we've talked a lot about how good we think this is and it's been super fun to take part in the styles. Yeah, I think like one of the things that makes it a good mechanic from my perspective is it gives players a framework for creating a deck without dictating that they have to create the deck that way. Yeah, right, like in telly on rabbit strike and tellion, like is just a generally good card, but if you pair it with some of the other rapid strike tools, right, like it, it does maybe potentially like a little better or or it can fit, you know, very well into the Hershafu deck that also happens to be a rapid strike pokemon and like Oh hey, they can also use the same energy, but it's not exclusive. Right. We've seen other mechanics like this. I think about something like the SP pokemon. Right, they had their whole thing, but it was really confined, right. You couldn't really use the mechanics of the SP era, the the you turn the key ching...

...or the pokatern, excuse me, the the tool I'm blanking on everything now. Yeah, the energy gain, you know, the SP radar, these kinds of things, like you couldn't use them for other pokemon and just really kind of limited the deck building, like you were making an sp deck if you included those cards, whereas now you have okay, you can choose and like Oh hey, there might be some reasons to maybe include both a single strike and a rapid strike or a fusion and a rapid strike. Like there's kind of that framework that's given to you, but that's not dictating how you build your decks. Yeah, absolutely to speaking of single and rapid strike, though. JW. WHAT'S THE LVP? Bro A card that should never be this expensive. Drizzile, I don't think Jas I was our battle styles on. You don't think it was our battle styles one? Our LVP? No, we have there's out later, man. Okay, well, dress iles an lvp for the chilling rainformat. What was our LVP for battle stouce? We I had down hoound doom because, oh my goodness, hound doom of corn, because that was a flow. Of course. Remember how excited we were for Hound. Excited, man, so like like really excited, really really excited. I stamped by my take that I think how do? His problem is the single strike Mook on, not how do? True. True, yeah, it didn't really get too much support today. I blame the other single strikers. How do? His trying his hardest, but the team it's just not there for him. I mean, let's lay out the squad right. We got Hurcher, Fu, the single strikers, Fu, the baby, Got Max Tyrannatar, Uh Huh, and tornadoes. Tornados. That's about it. That's literally, yeah, that's I mean, you got like primate. Oh, you got. No, there's a there's a Non v Max single strikers. That's say, yeah, the Oh yeah, and then there's this a viper. Oh yeah, this is so. I mean, this is like I feel like this is if we were to make it a sports analogy, I feel like this would be like Lebron playing on the Lakers like three years ago, when it was just like basically how the cow dos Le Bron? I don't know, could be. Could be, I think how it is all the way to Le Braun, but he's definitely held back by his homies. That's right, true, very true. So, you know, battle styles was a really fun addition of the game though, as a set. Lots of enjoyable pieces there. And so JW take us home with chilling right. Okay, well, this is our this is our LV MVP, MVP for chilling rain. Card that should never have been, not be this expensive. But it should not be this expensive. But it's like a real zero to hero story in the drizzle right like. This is a an uncommon card. Little diamond in the bottom right should be worth somewhere between ten and twenty five cents is now worth somewhere between three and five dollars. Absolutely ridiculous, but will be a card that will have a significant impact moving forward. And of course we bring it up in chilling rain because it was a sword and shield card, but obviously with the addition of the Italian and the sniping, like very, very strong and just a really nice kind of alternative to just having crow bad drawn the post rotation format and even pre rotation like just a nice alternative having, you know, Chrobat or did an I draw, I think, even looking more head like post rotation jas I I, I think, will have just a greater impact because Crobat will have a lesser impact. There's just less cards that can thin the deck you know, thin the hand, like it. Just the crow bats we're going to find are going to be very clunky and very awkward, and so I think Dris I'll like moving forward. Like again, we've said this on the cast many times, but just if you don't already have them and you can find them for you a relatively cheap like, you'd got to do it, because I don't think that it's that that card's really going anywhere. It definitely is not. So shatage is out, man, you came up strong in the end. That's right. And the lvp is also a card that did not come out in chilling rain, but it's a card I think we can all agree...

...we would do better without, and that car hard is gang are n, a huge gx. This card literally it reeks havoc or whatever it is in a deck. Right like nobody ever wants to see a gang arbeque because it it just causes problems. So obviously the main offender they are is going to be that Horror House gx. In this format, the primary use of that is to just give you a free turn, a set up with the shadow rider Calie Rex, and that is just such an astronomical difference in the game plan. I mean you can get so many energy into play for free just by saying Horror House, and your opponent literally cannot do anything about it. That's what Horror House says. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's it's wild it. I'm just like, I kind of think about it, you know, and especially when they kind of gave it the enablers of the shadow out or Cali Rex's, like that's a huge enabler, right, because you're just looking to get a bunch of energy into play all the time. It's just like it's amazing that they ever printed that. Like it just says not like you can't attack right like, because I feel like the coldballion. There's some of that. Okay, you know, you're getting an extra to set up, but like you're also kind of letting your opponent play the game. But I gan guards just like yeah, you you want to play the game. Well, think again, bud. Yeah, literally, unless you have a Pokemon on the board that you can get to the active that can attack for a signal, a can amount of damage, then it literally doesn't matter. Your turn. Yeah, worthless. It's so funny. It's so funny, absolutely incredible and then I think the attack is like pretty busted to write, because like fifty times and then, you know, let's say your opponent like draws prizes, like they can't even choose to you know, play around that. You know, it's like more if using second energy, like this is something that show can do, is like we can get the second ad on there. Course you to draw the cars. You cannot play them, and then they knock you out, they bother you. Yeah, it's it's tough for sure. So a worst case scenario, they at least are looking at your hand. There's stick right. Oh my gosh, my cat. Sorry about that. My cat literally dashed across my I've never seen her do that. She gasped. It's off my so funny, and happened to hit the power button, which is like it not even easy to press. So that's I got a really funny screenshot. That's wild, man, that's wild. Thankfully the recording was continuous, but the stream probably died for a second. Yeah, did, you'LL D it. You'll edit that in post. A lot of them, but that was insane. But that's funny. But yeah, I mean I just got gang er vecute literally right. There's so true. There you go. I've I think overall, you know, this is all lighthearted fun. This was a good year for the POKEMON trading card game. I think it was a lot of fun and I'm really excited for what's on the horizon. Yeah, I feel like one of the one of the things that I like about you, Riley, and I feel like I have this added to too, is like we're always pretty hopeful when it comes to the future of the game. I think we've seen a lot of good things from the company terms of players, cops great. Would love to see more organized tournaments like that from the top down. Seen a lot of good things from the community. Let's not forget the enabler of all these good things in the community, limitless. I think that would be it would be a much different online play community if we had to use battlefly or if we had to use some other tournament organizing software. So shoutouts the limitless for their MVP of the year. Incredible site and yeah, I think we have hope. You know, they didn't say anything in the POKEMON direct but I've been talking with Andrew like I'm feeling. I'm I swear I'm feeling a new client like it's in the air. It's in the air. I seriously am feeling. I'm feeling some big change to the game, like to the online game Jado, as we know, at the gift of profits. See, I know, I know, so reference this, reference me talking about this when we get it that new shiny client. There you go. Thank you all so, so much for being a part of this year the POKEMON trading card game with us. Whether you're a longtime listener or this is your first episode, we appreciate you and what you're contributing. If you like the PODCAST, make sure...

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