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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 49 · 5 months ago

3-49. The Recap Episode

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are feeling hyped after a great year for the game, come listen into some of our top hightlights for the year.

Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team Pokemon, Trading Card Games for me, yourpodcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good,good friend Mr JW Curry. Wall JW. As going to day?It's going pretty well, Riley. How are you? I am thriving.That is my word of the day. I've said thriving to everyone who's asked. Dude, that's good. Okay, what makes you thriving? Nothing,really, and if anything, I'm not thriving. But you know, it'skind of like one of those you know, speaking to reality until you make it. Yeah, exactly, sound reality kind of things. Okay, okay, Gosh, okay, well, that's good. I'm glad we're back onceagain. Once again, happy to be here. Yeah, how are thingsgoing in the creole world? It's good. Let's see, the biggest thing yesterdayI couldn't sleep. I was playing Peter Ciggio till I oh, no, three in the morning, don't tell my wife, and then I cleanedmy room, so I now have yeah, no, I it was really good. I got rid of like four boxes last night, so I nowhave my table all set up and I could potentially, if I ever finda friend here in Columbus, I could potentially do like tabletop stuff. Justneed a just need a like to set the camera up. So I orderedlike a I have my little logic tech Webcam, so I'm going to seehow that looks with a little extender for the cord out back and but yeah, there might be some tabletop stuff coming. I don't know, or at leastat the very least it's a place for like Anna and I to playboard games or something, and that's not to be underestimated. That's that isnice. It's nice. I just I'm so happy that I finally got itset up. It's like been, yeah, a month in the making. Soyou go. That's awesome. Any other exciting developments? Who? Jobsgoing well? I'm ordering a lot of cards for IRL tournaments. I meanit's like a lot of little things, right, yeah, on TCG playerand like if full grip doesn't have something, you know, then I'll just likego on tcg player and it's like an order here, a little bitof this, like one gues Lord, one, you know, Max AlickSir, right, like all these little cards that just are kind of addingup. So that's pretty cool and that's been that's when fun. It's beengood to touch cards again. Yeah, love to touch them all right,me too, bro like. Actually, just straight up touching the cards islike insane. I am getting the ITCH. I feel that, man. Ifeel that now whenever I go to like target and I find one ofthose like jumbo starter packs, you know with the the three starter pokmon formy generation, I always buy those. I can open up some packs.Nice, nice, that's cool. Yeah, sweet, okay. Anything new withyou, Riley? NEW WITH ME? Nothing too wild. Nothing too wild. I went to a minor league soccer game on Saturday, which ispretty fun. The remind me their name again. Were because you Madison forforward, right, because you've been and there they have the pink and teelcolors. Yeah, they look great. I'm remembering. So went to oneof their games again. That was really fun and, you know, justbeen kind of plowing through a lot of work this week. Ton stuff goingon, but the the clearing is on the horizon. Very Cool Day.And speaking of things on the horizon, the end is near, JW.The end of this calendar year of pokemon is is coming up quickly on us. Yeah, no doubt, and also another finish of another great season oftag team. Absolutely, absolutely. So. We got one more episode after thisone before the season is complete, but we do want to spend thisepisode kind of taking a look back and at the the history of the formatthis year and taking a look at some of the highlights from the show andfrom, you know, just the general going on of the community in thepast year. So we really excited to kind of share some of ideas withyou and if you have any experiences that you've personally had that have been reallyvaluable, feel free to either share them in the chat or, you know, she was over a message on twitter. Yeah, absolutely, Jadvy, doyou want to start us off with our first highlight moment of the year? Well, moment or just general time frame? I I thought this yearwas really fun for a lot of the...

...pokemon content creator collaborations. Yeah,and one of those collaborations that happened earlier in the like rote rotational year,that the pokemon competitive year, was the domino poke online play league. Ithought that was a fantastic thing for the community and just a really fun wayfor some of the content creators, both big and small, to collaborate onsomething for, you know, the greater good, I guess, for just, you know, people in general. I thought it was a really greattime and unfortunately, I don't think that it really took off like it didn't. It didn't blow up in a way that that I think some of theorganizers were expecting. But I don't think that that means that it's not asuccess. You know, I think it was a good way for us allto gather together, have some fun with each other and support each other ina way which which is really good, I feel like. Again, likewe say it a lot, or at least I say it a lot,you know that the community really helps each other. Yeah, no, no, no, no, like the opposite, right, like people are always inthe TCG community, amongst the content creators. For the most part,ninety five percent of the content creators are going to help one another out,and I think this was a perfect representation of that. Absolutely, absolutely.I forget. Did you win a lot of games in the play league?I went about average. Average. I went about average. I had somewhere it was like some absurdly bad luck. And yes, yeah, it wasall the luck. I mean it wasn't like my deck choice or anythinglike that. But no, we went about average. I think you know, it's fine. It's kind of a toss up with that kind of stuff, right, because like you can just get hard, hard like metagame thatout of the you know, it is the best of three kind of conqueststyle. So it's super easy to just kind of get get bodied there byone or two bad games. But there's a lot of fun. I hopewe do it again in the future at some point or something similar, maybenot on the week to week level as that, but like maybe some kindof you know, invitational or something. You know, I think people liketo see generally. You know, the feedback was that okay. I liketo see these content creators match up against one another. You know, didit get the general views on Youtube? Maybe not, but yeah, thatkind of competition among constant creators is pretty cool. Absolutely. It's always funto see, you know, the crossover episode, right, or your favoritecreators are like working with each other. Yeah, for sure. I meanthat's a huge thing in I don't know, I guess I can I'm sure inany competitive arena, right, you just love to see like your favoriteathletes go up against each other or yeah, your favorite team's right, like likein esports or something like go after each other. So it was prettyfun. I don't know that we, you know, developed any rivalries,but I think you know next time, if there isn't, next time I'mgoing to be talking way more trash. There you go. Yeah, that'sthe secret. You gotta Yeah, Filain, that's right. Why not me?I think I'm not right in thank Oh, what the heck? Ithink I'm the nicest of all the constant creators. Is that true? Imean, that's for you to decide, but I'm throwing that out to theuniverse, because the universal will be the judge of that. It's kind ofanother highlight, and this is like an other general one. I think ahuge thing for me that I've emphasized throughout the year is I've been really surprised, pleasantly surprised and happy to see the kind of grassroots see that we builtup and Pokemon, I feel like so much a pokemon was so rigorously definedby play Pokemon during like the past few years and really even historically, andyou know, the communities really come together and made their own scene. Inthe last year. Basically it's been really impressive. You know, we've hadthe HEGSTER events, you've had the chill TCG events, you've had all thesedifferent like recurring series, getting tons and tons of entrance every single week,and people are still like enjoying the game and playing it and that's awesome.It's really cool to see. You know, we've talked as well about how it'shad impacts on the metagame and the fact that, like the metagame isdeveloping so much more quickly now because of the cadence of events and the publishingof all these different results, and it's really cool. I'm so curious tosee one we eventually returned in person play,...

...like what the downstream effect of thatis on this like limitless environment that we've cultivated. Are you saying,like do you want to see if it continues? Or yeah, honestly,like like if the players that have played a lot and have, you know, mode, I don't know names for themselves like continue on in the yeah, I think I hear both. I would love to see some of thoseplayers and like, you know, take it to the next level, improvethemselves that like regional championship, and I would also love to see this onlinesphere like continue. You know, I think it's I think it's good forthe game to have like this kind of grass roots, local ish scene wherethere's like tons of tons of smaller events that you can always participate in,you know, just depending on your availability or and time. Yeah, forsure. Yeah, it has been really cool. I mean, with theabsence of a ranked ladder, it's been almost a necessity. Bring it up, right, I know, I know, but it's been almost a necessity forthese kinds of tournaments to exist, right, because you just you needa way to showcase competition. Yeah, and you need a way for youknow, players to to compete. And again, without a rank the ladder, like, it's been pretty hard to showcase that. So these tournaments havebeen, you know, one of those ways, right, that somebody cansay, yeah, I'm I'm separating myself from the pack as being somebody thatis good, that you know, you saw like a Zul win a bunchof tournaments. You're seeing all these, you know, players that I don'tknow that I had ever heard of before online tournaments like consistently perform very well. So it's really it's really neat. Absolutely, absolutely. But speaking ofonline tournaments, I think another thing that we should bring up. I mean, of course it is just the entire creation of the players cups. Yeah, what a fantastic idea by POKEMON. I think we were all kind ofwaiting early in the pandemic like hey, when is this going to be athing? When is this going to be a thing? When is pokemon goingto, you know, kind of step up and and provide the community withevents and actual, you know, sanctioned online tournaments? And to their credit, I think they listened right, they listened to the community, at leastI like to think that they did, and and brought us something that wasreally special, unique and I worked pretty well. Yeah, I think thePlayers Cup was. It was awesome. I the level of excitement around thePlayers Cup happening. Obviously, they kind of fumbled the ball a bit withlike the first iteration of the key system, it felt like, but they reallyrefine that going forward. It felt a lot smoother going forward and itwas really just enjoy to see the fact that Pokemon was still invested into theonline scene right, like we weren't just waiting for an answer, I guess, for a year, right, they actually did invest their time into itand and spoke to the players and their desire to play right. Absolutely,yeah, I think it. You know, we're always going to have concerns.I guess, like one of my concerns would be like well, couldthey have just done more of these tournaments? But it was at least something tolook forward to every quarter and I really hope something like this exists.If, you know, soon we go back to irl competition, and that'sa big I mean that's always a big if, like you were speaking likeday by day, as if it's going to happen. But yeah, it'ssomething certainly that I hope Pokemon will continue in some capacity, whether it's thislarge scale or even just, you know, eight man pods to earn, youknow, some CP or something like that. I hope they continue thiskind of level of competition in the online sphere. Yeah, and not tomention, you know, we can't, we'd do you're a miss to mentionthe players cups without talking about our own like experiences in them, you know, positive and negative highlights. I guess. If you know, I had someflubs and the players cups also. That's a really good qualifying runs.Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there was that one. Let's see, use. I think place up to for me and then three for you. Oh, three for me. Yeah, and I just smoked through through Players Cup. Three, I don't know. What did you finish in Players Cup?To not great, okay, okay, okay, all right, Gotcha.Yeah, because I like I was like top sixteen, I think, termsof points. Oh, oh, okay, shop curation, I was. Iwas fifth. That's right. Yeah, I was, like I thought youhad so ridiculous round to finish.

I was, I was tied forfourth, fifth, which is wool got. Yeah, that was kind of cool. I don't know what the tie breaker was. So Azul got fourthand you got fifth. Yeah, yeah, hate to see it. You hateyou hate it. It's you despise it. Sorry about that, butit's okay. But I so I did do better than you, but thatactual Players Cup itself, you far exceeded me. True. Yeah, thereyou go now, exactly. And of course Pikachu and ZAC ground carrying ushard through players cups. I mean that's you know what I'm about. BeHonest. I'm miss that that. Man, I played that back when it waslike, you know, baby peak ram, Backo nose Peaka pads,you know, back with Ye have Bolton, like there have been a lot ofiterations of peak around that I played and I'll miss it. I'll missit. Yeah, it's kind of funny to see the life cycle and likereminisce about these cards as the life cycle, because that was what introduced in twothousand and nineteen right, like yeah, a long time ago, and thenjust to yeah, continually play it and see it kind of evolved thisyeah, that's funny. Even a miss it. I was like a hugepeek around a stand before peek rand came out, and then it kind ofcame to mainstream. So I got over it and then, but then Ithink post rotation this year I could had a revitalized interest in peak ram.I think yacking away like the Super Turbo elements to it made it, yeah, more interesting to me. Oh for sure. Yeah, you weren't justlike a glass cannon. I felt like that was a lot of the oldlists or just like yeah, I'm going to try to blow up and getthat one big turn with like, you know, two or three electric power, like go hard and if I don't get it, and it's said itat the start of the year, I'll say it again. I really didnot like electric power, I didn't like Thunder Mountain, I didn't like whatthey added. So having it be more restricted to just like cocoa and bolton was it felt like a more strategic deck to me at that point.Sure, yeah, absolutely. But pokemon also invested in online seen in acompletely different way. That we should call it as well, and that's theteam challenge is now. Obviously the team challenge still looks like it needs somerefinement in order to really nail down exactly what they're going for there. Butso so cool that they did it. I think it was really interesting.Like you have all these local stores that have an opportunity to kind of representthis there scene in a way, at a high level of competition. SoSuper Fun. I love how they incentivized like for the stores and the playersto participate. You know, you had these play maths that you got aniteratively, that you got new ones if you did better and better in yourplacements. So yeah, I love the idea. I would love to seethem continue to iterate on that and like improve upon it. I think youstill need some Polish, but I really, really am a fan of it.Yeah, I think it was pretty cool. I think there was somediscrepancy. My biggest scripe, my biggest scripe outside of like the scheduling issues, which is really not a fault of anyone, but it's just you knowwhat's going to happen when you're trying to coordinate. You know three to eightpeople are exciuse me, sixty people. But my biggest scripe was, likethere's discrepancy amongst like teos and stores about prizing. Yeah, which I thoughtwas was really interesting and I, on the one hand, I like kindof understand it. On the first team challenge, or the second team whateverone, I qualified for one of the earlier team challenges and Pokemon sent outa box to all the stores, I think, with the intent being,Hey, divvy this box up amongst your players and participants, and then theyjust ended up like selling the box, and it's like I understand, likeI get it if you're a local game store and a pandemic, like Iempathize. But also, you know, is that, is that good practice? Like you kind of knew that they were sending you this box? Yeah, I mean it be distributed a right. Really, the the lesson of theteam challenge is there needed to be better logistics around it. Right,all look and it's, you know, that kind of covers the prizes,that covers the scheduling. Just like it wasn't logistically super well done, butthe idea was there. Yeah, and it was a great idea. Imean it's fun. Yeah, you like, because I felt like the team challengeactually really like was a good line betweeen hard competition and just like fun. Yeah, you know, because you...

...had, at least on all theteams that I was on, or most of the teams I was on,like a general mix of like, okay, here's some try hards or like playerswith the results, and then here's some people that just like signed upone night and one you know, and like they'd been playing for a yearor something. You know. I mean it was like there's that kind ofmix, and so I thought it kind of made that made that kind ofexciting, kind of interesting in the sense that, okay, we're really tryingto win, but I can't feel too bad about losing because, you know, you know people are going to play weird decks or, you know,the caliber players, not like top tier, right, because you can't choose youryour partners. But yeah, I thought it was a good mix ofof like competition and I just like a chill atmosphere. Absolutely so I wantthem. Yeah, so, a long story short, like I want themto continue this kind of thing, like we're all these things. I feellike we're good innovations. That only happened because of the pandemic, but it'slike a quality of life improvement that I want them to continue it well intothe future. I don't know if they will. It doesn't really seem asthough there's going to be another players Cup or another team challenge, but like, I really hope that they will, because they were a lot of fun. I totally agree, and I guess capping off our kind of like PlayersCup online seen highlights from the year. I mean we got to mention AlexShamansky. Man He took home the chilling rain players cop and then just shortlyafterwards he took home like the Players Cup Invitational Championship using the same tech.Unbelievable, and he has some amazing games that then there too. I meanI just think of the one game he had in game three. You orsusa zul where this will really seem to be like in a commanding physician andAlex just finds this perfect route to take six prizes in one turn. Imean, this guy's figured it out. And I Alex has been a guywho's had good results throughout his career. He's been top sixteen player since hecame to masters. But I feel like he's been waiting to have this likereally big breakthrough moments where he's like this is, you know, this meon top here and yeah, yeah, for Sud that validating moment. Ifeel like he's yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean you know, if you'vebeen playing the game for any number of years, you'll recognize Alex's nameand and and you always kind of I don't know, at least for me, it was always like of course, Alex, fantastic player, little bitof an Asterisk, because it always would seem like, okay, he'd getto top eight of a regional or get to top eight of ocean, youknow, of a international or something like. He'd always be there in the conversationbut could never quite close the deal. Like a lot of it to know, fault of his own. Yeah, but that's just how the how thecards had been right, that's how the chips fell, and so tohave him win this event, you know, kind of nothing else happening right,like all eyes Han the Players Cup and and that invitational as well,and to win both was just really, really, like you said, validatingfor him. So I'm very happy that that he was able to do that, come away with a win. Absolutely, and I think we have one moremajor highlight that we want to cover. We had a great year on thecast as well. We did. We had a lot of listenership thisyear. You all have shown so much love and support and we had alot of great, friendly faces that joined us on the podcast. It JVD. You want to dive into some of those? Yeah, so early inthe year we had chip Richie. Was a great interview. I thought,yeah, and and look for these people to you know, again, thethe content creation sphere is like relatively small. So, like I would say,look for, you know, I handful of these people to potentially handful. Look for a couple of these people to be back again next season.But chip was very early on. Is really cool to get to hear hisback story. I remember him talking about what he did like as a job, right, and he was just like yeah, man, I just sellon Ebay. And stuff and I was like, Oh, that's insane,what a guy. Finally, I know, the the Ebay Reseller, and thenand then we also had Celio's network. So Luke was joining the cast.This is kind of that stretch where Riley, you were you were inyour own world, man. I was so really luke was. Luke wasanother one that was great because he talked a lot about the you know,we talked a lot about a content creation and he's obviously pushing really hard forthat as being kind of a viable means of income and just how hard thatis right with all the challenges that I...

...think are seemingly apparent to playing thePOKEMON trading card game. But, you know, props a luke and reallygreat interview there that we had atrocious jake on the cast. Another player thatit kind of falls into that category of like, oh, started with TCG, you know, started with with doing PTCG, Oh and openings and stufflike that, and then, as since, kind of moved into VGC, whichis we've seen that a number of times players like purple cliff, SerraDawn, and then I'm I mean I'm sure there's at least one or twoothers that I'm missing as the butt on the mine for me. Yeah,yeah, exactly. Or maybe like like pink vapor would be another one.Right, to an extent, I suppose, but another one of those creators.And so that was cool to get his perspective on the two communities.And then we had frosted Cariboo, so she'll be joined us on well,joined me on the cast most recently, and that was again another great conversation. I feel like I got to know her a little bit better as acreator and person and I was pleasantly surprised by the insight that I gleaned fromour conversation. So all those really great interviews are up on the you know, on the podcasting platforms of your choice, so I would definitely recommend you gocheck them out. At that rate, you're of you once you're done.Yeah, exactly. I don't know, Riley, did you have a chanceto listen back to any of those? I haven't listened to the Carivou one. Yeah, I listened to the others. Okay, yeah, itwas just curious. Any any thoughts on on the guests that we had onthe cast this year? I mean, I really enjoyed all of them,and I think that's one of the things that we talked about this earlier iswe have just such a with regards to the omnipop league. We have justsuch a welcoming, positive sphere and POKEMON. I think it's easy to lose sightof that, but just like really great people, honestly, that existaround us in the pokemon scene. Yeah, yeah, I would say for themost part right. Like, we still have, for sure, issues, there's bad apples, there's there's never there's never going to be a timeto stop, you know, trying to move forward in terms of, youknow, progressive thoughts on on, you know, various members in the community. But you're absolutely right, right, I think it's done a good it'sa good those surrounding ourselves with, with positive people who uplift the community asa whole. Yeah, would agree. What agree? So Great. Iwant to make one because I know we're going to move into card of theday now. I want to make one other special shout out. Yeah,during Players Cup one, it was an absolute joy to work on a roguedeck that didn't actually come to the full realization. I mean it did,it was played right, but I was working with Alex Piney on his DeciduI obstacle deck and you know, he came to me with this idea andhe's like hey, I need some help, like with the list and trying tofigure out how to make this work, and it was a genius idea.Certainly spawned what we would see later on in future formats. The decidualidecks of future formats. Unfortunately had some bad luck running and into like,I think, just a random fire deck and then the I think if facingoff against Natalie if I remember correctly, but certainly one of those metal decksthat you know with the Gx, and then they had the the the LukeMetal Gx, right, getting rid of the energy and reducing the damage,and then the zoption and then the I think they also had the stunt Fiskas well. That a real that's fertile, real killer. So Oh no,no, I take it back. They had the bronze on, theyhad the bronze song. So still like doing seventy damage to shotting all theSCIDUIS and it taking really hard. And then, yeah, right, andthen you had the metal goggles right, so you're like taking no damage.So that was really tough matchup, but it was cool to work on thatdeck with Alex and I'll remember that fondly from this season as well, honestly, just as a great year. Great Year interview. I'm excited for whatthe next year of rings with us, and with that I want to bringus into the car of the day. Jw, I got a Polka xentry for you for this card of the day. Are you ready? Iam ready. Can I google it? Not? I mean, okay,I guess I can. Lest I can't physically stop you, but it I'mlost ready. It would be in bad faith if you did. That's fair. Okay, I will not. So it goes as follows. It's swiftnessis unparalleled. It can scale a tower...

...of more than twozero feet in aminute's time. Um, I mean, I'll tell you what you can getone hint. It can either be the set or the type. Okay,I'll take the type, for sure. Water, what the heck? Um, okay, how about? This is going to be a weird one.I'm going to say I'm going to say pelaper. It's the Felibert. Thatwas a weird one. So the card that I chose, and I wasinspired because of our conversation last week at out drizzle. So I chose anotherstage, one of two water type that was relevant. Yeah, and thatis frogodyear Oh man. So frogo deer from break point was another stage,one that had a lot of play. And what frogged deer did is ithad, for one water energy, it had the infamous water duplicates attack whereyou could get up to three more frogo deer, all of them from yourdeck, and put them into play, let's go without having a new evolveof frokie, and that's really what enabled the whole Grninja deck to even bea thing. Greeninja break so, you know, not quite as useful generallyas drasile, but it filled the niche of like a you know, ofa stage, one that actually contributes to the game. So I really ama fan of the Gredinja Li and Gradinga break was it deck that I reallywanted to work on a couple of occasions and never did. So frogo deer. Thank you for your service card of the day. Yeah, well,and you can still kind of play froged deer in this format. You canplay frogod deer this format. I well, kind of, if you're looking forthe same you know, are duplicates. Oh, yes, so curlia.Yeah, curly I brogoeer is their first road years there first. That'sright. Never forget the og, never forget the OG. So the originalGranninja. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, I think we want tomove on now to some of the highs and lows from each of the formats. So these are more card based. What contenders and pretenders? What didwe we called him MVPS LVPS, although I like the contender for pretender aswell. Yeah, I don't know, MVP lvp maybe matches a little bitmore, because there are certainly some on this list that enders that we're definitelynot pretenders, but we don't think very highly of them. So let's gowith the MVP lvp, most valuable players in their respective formats and least valuableplayers in their respective format. So we've had four set releases this year,darkness ablaze, vivid voltage battle styles and our latest, chilling rain Yep,and so we'll start with team up to darkness ablaze, Riley. What arethe MVP and the lvp or this format? So I mean when you're thinking ofan MVP for the darkness ablaze format. I think there's only one truly obviousanswer. You know, we've talked about it a lot on the podcastabout how much we like it, how how good it is, and thatis, of course, mad party. But it's a mad party, butit's probably my favorite deck to come out in the past year. Just soridiculous, so fun, and I can never get enough of it. Honestly, it's yeah, it just like it was like smooth sailing right, likeyou load peachcgo up, you got like Nary a care in the world.That's a you're just rolling your mad party. Bad exactly describes me. Yeah,they're sure, for sure, and like you know what like, andname a better deck to like Friday night. You know, you just got doneplaying league, you know, and you need to kind of like winddown, maybe with an adult beverage. They're like, okay, I'm goingto log into Peachcgoh for, you know, an hour until I fall asleep andlike you're rolling mad party every time that sitch. Oh, yeah,absolutely, deck is insanely fun. It was, you know, one ofthe one of the few like consistently viable one prize decks for multiple of theforemasts that we've had. Yep, so...

...it's been awesome. It's it wasreally good at good adition of the game, I think. Yeah, for sure. Now what wasn't a good addition to the game our lvp a turn. It is vmax. What a freaking card, man, what a freakingcard. And for so many of the sets it was so, so good, so good. I mean I played that deck a lot in, I'mthe poke league and in Players Cup and just on the ladder. Like Ilike that deck generally, but it was so linear and so just simple,simplified right, that it's especially it is point in time right, for sure. And so like we were all kind of looking for, you know,another set to like bring some diversity to the game and we all wanted anew set to kind of overthrow the tag teams, which I guess in away that turn it is did, yeah, but just not in the way thatwe all kind of wanted it to. Yeah, absolutely, with like youknow, with like skill ceiling and like yeah, it is such afrustrating deck to play, a guess, because it's like you either either hada deck that was good against the turn. It is. Or Yeah, Ideck that wasn't good against the tarn. It is. Yes, that's definitelytrue. Yeah, that's daughter lost that game, unless that's dead drewoff right. And that's the thing too, is like, yeah, you werejust at the mercy of there's no real way to build the turn itis, to like make it that much more consistent, right, like you'replaying your for Probat, you're playing your for researcher, for Marny, likethat was pretty much it. Yeah, and so that made it frustrating aswell, because I was like, well, I don't think I can really I'llplay my opponent necessarily, right. So, yeah, like there's noour, there's no way I can like deck build my way into all playingmy opponent. I guess that's what exactly exactly. So let's go to vividvoltage, though. Let's do it. So, after a long three monthswith darkness ablaze, I guess it was a shorter period of time at darknessablaze, vivid voltage was fresh, ready to live enough the format JW.What was the most valuable player in vivid voltage? Over me, I lovethe concept of amazing rayars because I love the concert of amazing ruse. Theywere so epic, they were so fun. That's good content, such good content. And you know, they only happened like a quarter of the timerealistically, but they were super cool when they did happen and they just weregreat art. Like I'm a collector of amazing rares, like if you gotamazing rayres line around the house like Selm to me. For Real. Iloved the artwork. I thought they were beautiful cards. They just kind ofdidn't, you know, didn't perform all that well, but they made forsome fun games for sure. Yeah, amazing rares. Honestly, I lovedthe idea of that. I Love the art. Obviously was phenomenal, dearbeautiful, beautiful cards, but I also kind of like the idea of justhaving these like intentionally absurd cards, you know, where they have these likecrazy effects but it's like, yeah, you're not really ever going to usethis, but like if you want to try, like right high risk,I reward sure. And and that's the thing too, I think is missinga little bit in the game design at times. And why this was sorefreshing in the vivid voltage format is like they had cards that were that werelike on the cusp of usable, right, because if any of these had,you know, maybe one less energy cost, right, or two ofthe energy were like the same type, right, like I think about kyoger. Kiger would probably have been an insane card if it was like to waterand a lightning to power it up, right, because now you're not dealingwith three different types. But it so was on the cusp of being playableand a lot of the times, if you could get it going, youknow, like I'm thinking about Kyoger, the Ray Quasa was pretty good.You know, Zombozn't Zassian, if you can get those things going, likethey were going to do some pretty pretty big damage. Yeah, well,I in a way I kind of like that. They're so ridiculous, though, like I feel like so many pokmon cards like have such obvious like likeNiche's or, you know, build and play kind of strategies, and youkind of like mix and match those different like subsets of cards together where itslike amazing. Rares is like yeah, you got to just figure this oneout on your own, like yeah,...

...there's not like a way to makethis work, so you gotta figure that out. Yeah, they didn't reallylike come with a built in you know package. Yeah, and so Idon't know, I wish that. I almost wish that was something that theyjust like continued. Like imagine just like one amazing rare per set and it'slike that. It's be cool. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so then, what would be your lvp for the vivid voltage format? I think, now I think about it more, I think there's two. The firstone goes out saying that the FORMAT FOR VIVID VOLT DIV voltage, didn't bringit off to the game and brown nothing bro so we just played like sixmonths of darkness, a blaze for that basically, which was so miserable bythe end of that was the dark days for me. Like that felt sohard. Was a blaze. That this yes, you know, right beforebattle styles. That was tough, man. That was really, really tough.I think the other lvp, though, and this is the one we hadwritten down, is the distributors or at lvp at this time period andlike the printing, I guess, like vivid voltage got printed like once ver. Yeah, and you know, they gave about like three booster boxes ofvid voltage and that was the entirety of the set. So if you didn'tget one of those three booster boxes you had to hit to buy one ofthe cards. Yep, I was just it's impossible to find why. Iknow it was so crazy. I mean, you know, we can blame iton covid but yeah, yeah, crazy. So that was a itwas just a difficult era of the game, I think. Oh, for sure. It's a low point for a lot of people, I feel like, because and actually the funny thing, though, is like vivid voltage probablybecomes like a significantly better set in about two weeks. Yeah, right,like when we get the flaffy like all of a sudden, because I thinkthat was I mean that was set that had the chalky chew, and thenI think we also got like one other major lightning v Max. I'm forgettinglike toxtricity or so. I should know this off the top of my head. Talk think maybe there was one. Oh, coat was a cocoa Cocov Max. Now that was I'm pretty sure there was one other lightning.I'm pretty sure there was one other lightning. Be I'm maybe I'm misremembering, butin any case, like people were trying to make Pikachu vmax work andit again there's another one like on the cost of being pretty decent right,doing some pretty big damage but falling a little bit short in the end.So, Hey, who knows? Yeah, maybe a maybe, a little alittle flaffy action can get get some of those V maxes going from vividvoltage little flaction. Right. Well, let's go right into battle styles then. So battle styles, I mean the MVP is battle styles. Literally,the crew of battle styles was the MVP. What an awesome addition to the game. We've been so high on battle styles ever since they kind of likeannounced it. We thought it was going to be good and it really hasbeen. You know, I sometimes I think when these kind of mechanics areprinted they almost become like to like, I don't know, cookie cutter orlike build and build and play. But I feel like the rapping strike andthe single strike mechanics have both had like they're kind of defined niche. They'veboth like found their ways as just individual cars and to other decks and they'rejust a lot of fun to play. US An archetype as well. Soand I think one of the best parts about this mechanic is they're not givingup on it. They're continuing to iterate on it. We got the fusionstyle coming now. So I mean just props the POKMON. We we've talkeda lot about how good we think this is and it's been super fun totake part in the styles. Yeah, I think like one of the thingsthat makes it a good mechanic from my perspective is it gives players a frameworkfor creating a deck without dictating that they have to create the deck that way. Yeah, right, like in telly on rabbit strike and tellion, likeis just a generally good card, but if you pair it with some ofthe other rapid strike tools, right, like it, it does maybe potentiallylike a little better or or it can fit, you know, very wellinto the Hershafu deck that also happens to be a rapid strike pokemon and likeOh hey, they can also use the same energy, but it's not exclusive. Right. We've seen other mechanics like this. I think about something likethe SP pokemon. Right, they had their whole thing, but it wasreally confined, right. You couldn't really use the mechanics of the SP era, the the you turn the key ching...

...or the pokatern, excuse me,the the tool I'm blanking on everything now. Yeah, the energy gain, youknow, the SP radar, these kinds of things, like you couldn'tuse them for other pokemon and just really kind of limited the deck building,like you were making an sp deck if you included those cards, whereas nowyou have okay, you can choose and like Oh hey, there might besome reasons to maybe include both a single strike and a rapid strike or afusion and a rapid strike. Like there's kind of that framework that's given toyou, but that's not dictating how you build your decks. Yeah, absolutelyto speaking of single and rapid strike, though. JW. WHAT'S THE LVP? Bro A card that should never be this expensive. Drizzile, I don'tthink Jas I was our battle styles on. You don't think it was our battlestyles one? Our LVP? No, we have there's out later, man. Okay, well, dress iles an lvp for the chilling rainformat.What was our LVP for battle stouce? We I had down hoound doom because, oh my goodness, hound doom of corn, because that was a flow. Of course. Remember how excited we were for Hound. Excited, man, so like like really excited, really really excited. I stamped by mytake that I think how do? His problem is the single strike Mook on, not how do? True. True, yeah, it didn't really get toomuch support today. I blame the other single strikers. How do?His trying his hardest, but the team it's just not there for him.I mean, let's lay out the squad right. We got Hurcher, Fu, the single strikers, Fu, the baby, Got Max Tyrannatar, UhHuh, and tornadoes. Tornados. That's about it. That's literally, yeah, that's I mean, you got like primate. Oh, you got.No, there's a there's a Non v Max single strikers. That's say,yeah, the Oh yeah, and then there's this a viper. Oh yeah, this is so. I mean, this is like I feel like thisis if we were to make it a sports analogy, I feel like thiswould be like Lebron playing on the Lakers like three years ago, when itwas just like basically how the cow dos Le Bron? I don't know,could be. Could be, I think how it is all the way toLe Braun, but he's definitely held back by his homies. That's right,true, very true. So, you know, battle styles was a reallyfun addition of the game though, as a set. Lots of enjoyable piecesthere. And so JW take us home with chilling right. Okay, well, this is our this is our LV MVP, MVP for chilling rain.Card that should never have been, not be this expensive. But it shouldnot be this expensive. But it's like a real zero to hero story inthe drizzle right like. This is a an uncommon card. Little diamond inthe bottom right should be worth somewhere between ten and twenty five cents is nowworth somewhere between three and five dollars. Absolutely ridiculous, but will be acard that will have a significant impact moving forward. And of course we bringit up in chilling rain because it was a sword and shield card, butobviously with the addition of the Italian and the sniping, like very, verystrong and just a really nice kind of alternative to just having crow bad drawnthe post rotation format and even pre rotation like just a nice alternative having,you know, Chrobat or did an I draw, I think, even lookingmore head like post rotation jas I I, I think, will have just agreater impact because Crobat will have a lesser impact. There's just less cardsthat can thin the deck you know, thin the hand, like it.Just the crow bats we're going to find are going to be very clunky andvery awkward, and so I think Dris I'll like moving forward. Like again, we've said this on the cast many times, but just if you don'talready have them and you can find them for you a relatively cheap like,you'd got to do it, because I don't think that it's that that card'sreally going anywhere. It definitely is not. So shatage is out, man,you came up strong in the end. That's right. And the lvp isalso a card that did not come out in chilling rain, but it'sa card I think we can all agree...

...we would do better without, andthat car hard is gang are n, a huge gx. This card literallyit reeks havoc or whatever it is in a deck. Right like nobody everwants to see a gang arbeque because it it just causes problems. So obviouslythe main offender they are is going to be that Horror House gx. Inthis format, the primary use of that is to just give you a freeturn, a set up with the shadow rider Calie Rex, and that isjust such an astronomical difference in the game plan. I mean you can getso many energy into play for free just by saying Horror House, and youropponent literally cannot do anything about it. That's what Horror House says. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's it's wild it. I'm just like, Ikind of think about it, you know, and especially when they kind of gaveit the enablers of the shadow out or Cali Rex's, like that's ahuge enabler, right, because you're just looking to get a bunch of energyinto play all the time. It's just like it's amazing that they ever printedthat. Like it just says not like you can't attack right like, becauseI feel like the coldballion. There's some of that. Okay, you know, you're getting an extra to set up, but like you're also kind of lettingyour opponent play the game. But I gan guards just like yeah,you you want to play the game. Well, think again, bud.Yeah, literally, unless you have a Pokemon on the board that you canget to the active that can attack for a signal, a can amount ofdamage, then it literally doesn't matter. Your turn. Yeah, worthless.It's so funny. It's so funny, absolutely incredible and then I think theattack is like pretty busted to write, because like fifty times and then,you know, let's say your opponent like draws prizes, like they can't evenchoose to you know, play around that. You know, it's like more ifusing second energy, like this is something that show can do, islike we can get the second ad on there. Course you to draw thecars. You cannot play them, and then they knock you out, theybother you. Yeah, it's it's tough for sure. So a worst casescenario, they at least are looking at your hand. There's stick right.Oh my gosh, my cat. Sorry about that. My cat literally dashedacross my I've never seen her do that. She gasped. It's off my sofunny, and happened to hit the power button, which is like itnot even easy to press. So that's I got a really funny screenshot.That's wild, man, that's wild. Thankfully the recording was continuous, butthe stream probably died for a second. Yeah, did, you'LL D it. You'll edit that in post. A lot of them, but that wasinsane. But that's funny. But yeah, I mean I just got gang ervecute literally right. There's so true. There you go. I've I thinkoverall, you know, this is all lighthearted fun. This was agood year for the POKEMON trading card game. I think it was a lot offun and I'm really excited for what's on the horizon. Yeah, Ifeel like one of the one of the things that I like about you,Riley, and I feel like I have this added to too, is likewe're always pretty hopeful when it comes to the future of the game. Ithink we've seen a lot of good things from the company terms of players,cops great. Would love to see more organized tournaments like that from the topdown. Seen a lot of good things from the community. Let's not forgetthe enabler of all these good things in the community, limitless. I thinkthat would be it would be a much different online play community if we hadto use battlefly or if we had to use some other tournament organizing software.So shoutouts the limitless for their MVP of the year. Incredible site and yeah, I think we have hope. You know, they didn't say anything inthe POKEMON direct but I've been talking with Andrew like I'm feeling. I'm Iswear I'm feeling a new client like it's in the air. It's in theair. I seriously am feeling. I'm feeling some big change to the game, like to the online game Jado, as we know, at the giftof profits. See, I know, I know, so reference this,reference me talking about this when we get it that new shiny client. Thereyou go. Thank you all so, so much for being a part ofthis year the POKEMON trading card game with us. Whether you're a longtime listeneror this is your first episode, we appreciate you and what you're contributing.If you like the PODCAST, make sure...

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